Tournaments this weekend - May 10-12th, 2013

whatwasithinking wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Parent123 wrote:To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

shame on you for taking time to write these lies. its one thing to react in the heat of the moment but to have parents come on hear and find ways of defending her is a shame. I would have hoped that yall would have talked to her already about her reaction, but I guess your fear of being left off the next tournament is greater. Explain that to your kids.

Did you talk to your coach about how it is NOT okay to cheat? Did you talk to your kids about how your team did not get their medals because their own coach cheated?

Nocrying wrote:

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Soccerdad28 wrote:Nocrying: I pray everyday that 1 more person in this world is willing to do the right thing versus the alternative. Your comment leads me to believe you think integrity is only a word, not a intentional ethical decision.

I am far from where I would like to be as a person, but my kids deserve every ounce of energy to be great human beings who show compassion and character.

What exactly did the Sting coach say that was so inappropriate? Did she take issue with the coach who clearly broke the rules? Did she take issue with inept administration? I stand by my statement, I would support any coach that had passion for the game and their players than I would the greatest coach who willingly broke rules.

No one is perfect here. Don't know you, you don't me, and its cool if we keep it that way. Don't know the Sting, she could be a great human being buts its unfortunate that we (the people who don't know her) walked away with a bad impression of her. Its not fair to her. But that is reality. The fact that she had an 05 team in the finals of an 04 tournament also speaks volumes of her. If you were there, you heard what she said.

It also speaks volumes about the '04 coach that felt he had to cheat to try to beat an '05 team. Pathetic!!!

and he did!!!!!

Blank77 wrote:OK, I have been reading this and one things stand out to me? In academy how is using players cheating? It is in the NTSSA rules that any player of the correct age can be on your roster, no matter who the played with the day before or the day after. A player that had never practiced for a team, can jump on the roster for a tournament and it be 100% legit. My DD would frequently play for different teams in tournaments all the time, it was not cheating but academy. Where the girls too old, if that is the case, it is cheating - but using 04 girls in an 04 tournament is not cheating in my opinion.

Now, if the girls werent rostered correctly, and our technically ineligible to play, that is either a lazy manager or coach, but in academy who cares. They can bring anyone they want, and so you can you, shut up and play. I am 100% sure they are not the only team playing this weekend that did not go through all the hoops to add a few players in the correct manner to their roster.

Also, if you are so low to call a roster check at half time of an academy game and find out a technical error, you either stop the game there or if you agree to play, you agree to the outcome. You can't say you are going to play it out and whine if you don't win.

Bottom line, the Texan group of little girls beat the Sting group of little girls on Sunday. What does it mean, nothing. It was one game on one day at a point where rosters are fluid. Trust me, in a few years you will be sick and tired of these stupid medals. I am so beaten down to by medal presentations, and soon you will be too.

Nocrying wrote:

whatwasithinking wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Parent123 wrote:To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

shame on you for taking time to write these lies. its one thing to react in the heat of the moment but to have parents come on hear and find ways of defending her is a shame. I would have hoped that yall would have talked to her already about her reaction, but I guess your fear of being left off the next tournament is greater. Explain that to your kids.

Did you talk to your coach about how it is NOT okay to cheat? Did you talk to your kids about how your team did not get their medals because their own coach cheated?

truth be told, I sure did. I told her an adult(s) made a mistake and broke a rule and that caused our team to by DQd. Told her" Im proud of you girls for staying in the game and winning it" but it was an adult(s)'s mistake this time. Her response-"I still get my t-shirt right?" Gotta love her.

FCsoccer1 wrote:I enjoyed the 5 pages of gossip.... and wanted to add the following.... I will be very surprise if the parents continue with this coach... or even if the texans want to keep him...

Blank77 wrote:There should be a rule about playing up. You need to sign a no whine waiver. So he used some age pure kids that weren't on his roster. Sounds like you couldn't even score when they were out. You lost, it means nothing.

SolarPower00 wrote:Blank77, come on man...
you do understand that an academy roster is 1) limited to a certain number of players and 2) cannot be added to once submitted at tournament check-in
So although you simplistic view of academy soccer is partially correct, there are strict tournament rules that all academy teams must abide....and there are reasons for these rules....
Having players participate Sunday....that were not on the roster submitted Thursday is wrong and can open up the door for all kinds other misconduct including player age issues.

silentparent wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

whatwasithinking wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Parent123 wrote:To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

shame on you for taking time to write these lies. its one thing to react in the heat of the moment but to have parents come on hear and find ways of defending her is a shame. I would have hoped that yall would have talked to her already about her reaction, but I guess your fear of being left off the next tournament is greater. Explain that to your kids.

Did you talk to your coach about how it is NOT okay to cheat? Did you talk to your kids about how your team did not get their medals because their own coach cheated?

truth be told, I sure did. I told her an adult(s) made a mistake and broke a rule and that caused our team to by DQd. Told her" Im proud of you girls for staying in the game and winning it" but it was an adult(s)'s mistake this time. Her response-"I still get my t-shirt right?" Gotta love her.

well isnt that just peachy. Here's my take to my daughter. "The coach has no integrity and tried to cheat so he could win a trophy. He has no honor and I love you too much to let people like that be in charge of you. I hope you understand that no trophy is worth cheating for and people who do those things are people to avoid in your life...

whatwasithinking wrote:

Blank77 wrote:There should be a rule about playing up. You need to sign a no whine waiver. So he used some age pure kids that weren't on his roster. Sounds like you couldn't even score when they were out. You lost, it means nothing.

You will never know now if Deleon's team would have even made it to the finals if the non-legit girls were not officially allowed to play.

Blank77 wrote:

SolarPower00 wrote:Blank77, come on man...
you do understand that an academy roster is 1) limited to a certain number of players and 2) cannot be added to once submitted at tournament check-in
So although you simplistic view of academy soccer is partially correct, there are strict tournament rules that all academy teams must abide....and there are reasons for these rules....
Having players participate Sunday....that were not on the roster submitted Thursday is wrong and can open up the door for all kinds other misconduct including player age issues.

Picking up some age pure guests for an academy tournament vs using kids too old are not even in the same ballpark. I will agree that there manger/coach should have gotten the roster issue straight - but if all the kids were 04s, they all could have been rostered and played. It is wrong that they were so lazy, I mean they didn't even get unique numbers, obviously they cared a whole lot less about an academy tournament than the Sting team.

That being said, Sting agreed to finish the game at half time after discovering the clerical errors. They did not protest until after they lost. If they agreed to finish the game, they should stick with the outcome. You can't play advantage and then whine about your foul when you miss your shot.

orbitzone2000 wrote:

whatwasithinking wrote:

Blank77 wrote:There should be a rule about playing up. You need to sign a no whine waiver. So he used some age pure kids that weren't on his roster. Sounds like you couldn't even score when they were out. You lost, it means nothing.

You will never know now if Deleon's team would have even made it to the finals if the non-legit girls were not officially allowed to play.

Just to Clarify, This coach used the exact same ineligible Players to Beat the FCD 05 girls. Crazy thing is they had to cheat to beat 2- 05 teams. Then bragging about it? That should say a lot about these parents. I would have been absolutely furious with our coach and manager had this happened to our team. This coach should get suspended and made an example of. These are the kind of tactics that NTSSA is trying to prevent.

SolarPower00 wrote:

Blank77 wrote:

SolarPower00 wrote:Blank77, come on man...
you do understand that an academy roster is 1) limited to a certain number of players and 2) cannot be added to once submitted at tournament check-in
So although you simplistic view of academy soccer is partially correct, there are strict tournament rules that all academy teams must abide....and there are reasons for these rules....
Having players participate Sunday....that were not on the roster submitted Thursday is wrong and can open up the door for all kinds other misconduct including player age issues.

Picking up some age pure guests for an academy tournament vs using kids too old are not even in the same ballpark. I will agree that there manger/coach should have gotten the roster issue straight - but if all the kids were 04s, they all could have been rostered and played. It is wrong that they were so lazy, I mean they didn't even get unique numbers, obviously they cared a whole lot less about an academy tournament than the Sting team.

That being said, Sting agreed to finish the game at half time after discovering the clerical errors. They did not protest until after they lost. If they agreed to finish the game, they should stick with the outcome. You can't play advantage and then whine about your foul when you miss your shot.

But when you have mystery players on the field....who knows if they're age appropriate?
Simply put, the Texans could have loaded up the official roster with 16 academy players that were potentially going to play that weekend, used some for some games, others for other games, saved the 4 in question for the championship, whatever.
but for whatever reason, they chose to omit those 4 from the roster and only a few people know why that is.

Nocrying wrote:

silentparent wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

whatwasithinking wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Parent123 wrote:To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

shame on you for taking time to write these lies. its one thing to react in the heat of the moment but to have parents come on hear and find ways of defending her is a shame. I would have hoped that yall would have talked to her already about her reaction, but I guess your fear of being left off the next tournament is greater. Explain that to your kids.

Did you talk to your coach about how it is NOT okay to cheat? Did you talk to your kids about how your team did not get their medals because their own coach cheated?

truth be told, I sure did. I told her an adult(s) made a mistake and broke a rule and that caused our team to by DQd. Told her" Im proud of you girls for staying in the game and winning it" but it was an adult(s)'s mistake this time. Her response-"I still get my t-shirt right?" Gotta love her.

well isnt that just peachy. Here's my take to my daughter. "The coach has no integrity and tried to cheat so he could win a trophy. He has no honor and I love you too much to let people like that be in charge of you. I hope you understand that no trophy is worth cheating for and people who do those things are people to avoid in your life...

was that before or through the glass bubble you obviously keep her in????

go99 wrote:wait really? So playing with illegal plays is okay as long as they are the same age group? This is the 04's right? The same place with complaints of using the all powerful dalglish sweeper and RASE girl sightings all over the metroplex. But now if I am to understand it correctly, sure they weren't on the roster. Just a clerical error that went on all weekend. That Deleone and his manager are so dense that they couldn't even count the roster and see they had more players than is on the roster until someone else counted for them. So you are saying he is not a cheat he is just incompetent. But now the standard is as long as the girls are the right age it's all good. So I guess RASE can just start bringing girls to all of the LP final games now. ROSTER? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN ROSTER

go99 wrote:wait really? So playing with illegal plays is okay as long as they are the same age group? This is the 04's right? The same place with complaints of using the all powerful dalglish sweeper and RASE girl sightings all over the metroplex. But now if I am to understand it correctly, sure they weren't on the roster. Just a clerical error that went on all weekend. That Deleone and his manager are so dense that they couldn't even count the roster and see they had more players than is on the roster until someone else counted for them. So you are saying he is not a cheat he is just incompetent. But now the standard is as long as the girls are the right age it's all good. So I guess RASE can just start bringing girls to all of the LP final games now. ROSTER? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN ROSTER

go99 wrote:wait really? So playing with illegal plays is okay as long as they are the same age group? This is the 04's right? The same place with complaints of using the all powerful dalglish sweeper and RASE girl sightings all over the metroplex. But now if I am to understand it correctly, sure they weren't on the roster. Just a clerical error that went on all weekend. That Deleone and his manager are so dense that they couldn't even count the roster and see they had more players than is on the roster until someone else counted for them. So you are saying he is not a cheat he is just incompetent. But now the standard is as long as the girls are the right age it's all good. So I guess RASE can just start bringing girls to all of the LP final games now. ROSTER? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN ROSTER