Tournaments this weekend - May 10-12th, 2013

You should not be going for the "club" ... you should be going for the coach who can take your child and develop her, not just as a player but as an individual with good character and integrity.

Soccerdad28 wrote:2 points:

At the core, we as parents need to consider the long term ramifications when supporting any coach or circumstance that knowingly flirts with or breaks the rules. When our DD's are asked to make an ethical decisions later in life, they will use their experiences as a barometer to guide them. Maybe this was a clerical error, but it's a simple solution to own your mistakes and notify the tournament leaders and fellow coaches.

The leaders of the tournament have some blame in this situation as well. If the decision was made to continue to play after the roster was found to be incorrect, you stick with your decision and award the girls the medals and complement them on their hard work.

Still think NTX Soccer will need to step in and start making examples of coaches and associations that knowingly break the rules. I would rather have a passionate coach that cares about the developmental of the players off and on the field than a coach that's willing to break the rules.

Great points - totally agree!

Soccerdad28 wrote:Nocrying: I pray everyday that 1 more person in this world is willing to do the right thing versus the alternative. Your comment leads me to believe you think integrity is only a word, not a intentional ethical decision.

I am far from where I would like to be as a person, but my kids deserve every ounce of energy to be great human beings who show compassion and character.

What exactly did the Sting coach say that was so inappropriate? Did she take issue with the coach who clearly broke the rules? Did she take issue with inept administration? I stand by my statement, I would support any coach that had passion for the game and their players than I would the greatest coach who willingly broke rules.

No one is perfect here. Don't know you, you don't me, and its cool if we keep it that way. Don't know the Sting, she could be a great human being buts its unfortunate that we (the people who don't know her) walked away with a bad impression of her. Its not fair to her. But that is reality. The fact that she had an 05 team in the finals of an 04 tournament also speaks volumes of her. If you were there, you heard what she said.

Nocrying wrote:

whatwasithinking wrote:Amen SilentParent ... having a coach who cheats is not a good example for 9 year olds.

Deleon in essence, are telling his original rostered girls, "Y'all aren't good enough so let me pull in 4 girls so you can at least make a run in this tournament."

Sad ...

Sounds like your DD has some experience with being left off a tourney team.

and it sounds like you have experience with being on cheating teams.....

whatwasithinking wrote:You should not be going for the "club" ... you should be going for the coach who can take your child and develop her, not just as a player but as an individual with good character and integrity.

that's your mistake there. Its a parent's job to develop those traits. My daughter has all those traits already(maybe her dad doesn't according to some). Don't wait for someone else to develop your kids.

Nocrying wrote:

Soccerdad28 wrote:Nocrying: I pray everyday that 1 more person in this world is willing to do the right thing versus the alternative. Your comment leads me to believe you think integrity is only a word, not a intentional ethical decision.

I am far from where I would like to be as a person, but my kids deserve every ounce of energy to be great human beings who show compassion and character.

What exactly did the Sting coach say that was so inappropriate? Did she take issue with the coach who clearly broke the rules? Did she take issue with inept administration? I stand by my statement, I would support any coach that had passion for the game and their players than I would the greatest coach who willingly broke rules.

No one is perfect here. Don't know you, you don't me, and its cool if we keep it that way. Don't know the Sting, she could be a great human being buts its unfortunate that we (the people who don't know her) walked away with a bad impression of her. Its not fair to her. But that is reality. The fact that she had an 05 team in the finals of an 04 tournament also speaks volumes of her. If you were there, you heard what she said.

It also speaks volumes about the '04 coach that felt he had to cheat to try to beat an '05 team. Pathetic!!!

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Soccerdad28 wrote:Nocrying: I pray everyday that 1 more person in this world is willing to do the right thing versus the alternative. Your comment leads me to believe you think integrity is only a word, not a intentional ethical decision.

I am far from where I would like to be as a person, but my kids deserve every ounce of energy to be great human beings who show compassion and character.

What exactly did the Sting coach say that was so inappropriate? Did she take issue with the coach who clearly broke the rules? Did she take issue with inept administration? I stand by my statement, I would support any coach that had passion for the game and their players than I would the greatest coach who willingly broke rules.

No one is perfect here. Don't know you, you don't me, and its cool if we keep it that way. Don't know the Sting, she could be a great human being buts its unfortunate that we (the people who don't know her) walked away with a bad impression of her. Its not fair to her. But that is reality. The fact that she had an 05 team in the finals of an 04 tournament also speaks volumes of her. If you were there, you heard what she said.

It also speaks volumes about the '04 coach that felt he had to cheat to try to beat an '05 team. Pathetic!!!

and he did!!!!!

Nope, no mistake. Like you said in your previous post, "You don't know me, I don't know you" so let's keep it that way.

According to Orbitzone who was at the sidelines of the game (see his/her post on page 1), The sting Coach never directed her comments to the kids. She directed it to the coach:

From Orbitzone:
"That is not true, I was there with my 03 DD on the field next to you guys and she never called any of the girls cheaters. She was calling the Texans coach a cheater. Still not professional but none the less not true. Only thing I can't figure out is when they caught this, why did the tournament director let the game continue? Bad decision IMO. They should have Disqualified the texans team immediately."

Nocrying wrote:

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Soccerdad28 wrote:Nocrying: I pray everyday that 1 more person in this world is willing to do the right thing versus the alternative. Your comment leads me to believe you think integrity is only a word, not a intentional ethical decision.

I am far from where I would like to be as a person, but my kids deserve every ounce of energy to be great human beings who show compassion and character.

What exactly did the Sting coach say that was so inappropriate? Did she take issue with the coach who clearly broke the rules? Did she take issue with inept administration? I stand by my statement, I would support any coach that had passion for the game and their players than I would the greatest coach who willingly broke rules.

No one is perfect here. Don't know you, you don't me, and its cool if we keep it that way. Don't know the Sting, she could be a great human being buts its unfortunate that we (the people who don't know her) walked away with a bad impression of her. Its not fair to her. But that is reality. The fact that she had an 05 team in the finals of an 04 tournament also speaks volumes of her. If you were there, you heard what she said.

It also speaks volumes about the '04 coach that felt he had to cheat to try to beat an '05 team. Pathetic!!!

and he did!!!!!

Just so we are clear... you are bragging about an 04 team beating an 05 team that was not done in an ethical way?

That's what it boils down to. They had 4 ineligible girls on their team which the tourney director found out about at half-time and sat them out.

Would they even have made it that far without the 4 ineligible girls in their lineup?

Nocrying wrote:Im just happy to be in the mix. Its hard to get involved in posting when you playing with a team that is playing in a third world country league. Joking, we love our team over in DaEast. Notice our move up the rankings recently?)

Have you ever thought to yourself, maybe its because of me that my kid has to play for a cheater to play in a decent tournament??? And maybe it because of me, that she is playing in said league that is in a "third world country". I doubt YOU have, but every time you get on here and start to type I do.

whatwasithinking wrote:Nope, no mistake. Like you said in your previous post, "You don't know me, I don't know you" so let's keep it that way.

According to Orbitzone who was at the sidelines of the game (see his/her post on page 1), The sting Coach never directed her comments to the kids. She directed it to the coach:

From Orbitzone:
"That is not true, I was there with my 03 DD on the field next to you guys and she never called any of the girls cheaters. She was calling the Texans coach a cheater. Still not professional but none the less not true. Only thing I can't figure out is when they caught this, why did the tournament director let the game continue? Bad decision IMO. They should have Disqualified the texans team immediately."

Exactly, How loud would she have to be in order to have all parents hear her????? To be yelling "cheater" in the middle of the field and stomping her feet while the girls were attempting to shake hands? How are the girls suppose to take it?? She had to make a scene for her parents! She, in a way, instigated her parents to keep the situation going.

But the Texans coached cheated .... that was the bottom line. So you are ok with your coach cheating?

jsullivan81 wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Soccerdad28 wrote:Nocrying: I pray everyday that 1 more person in this world is willing to do the right thing versus the alternative. Your comment leads me to believe you think integrity is only a word, not a intentional ethical decision.

I am far from where I would like to be as a person, but my kids deserve every ounce of energy to be great human beings who show compassion and character.

What exactly did the Sting coach say that was so inappropriate? Did she take issue with the coach who clearly broke the rules? Did she take issue with inept administration? I stand by my statement, I would support any coach that had passion for the game and their players than I would the greatest coach who willingly broke rules.

No one is perfect here. Don't know you, you don't me, and its cool if we keep it that way. Don't know the Sting, she could be a great human being buts its unfortunate that we (the people who don't know her) walked away with a bad impression of her. Its not fair to her. But that is reality. The fact that she had an 05 team in the finals of an 04 tournament also speaks volumes of her. If you were there, you heard what she said.

It also speaks volumes about the '04 coach that felt he had to cheat to try to beat an '05 team. Pathetic!!!

and he did!!!!!

Just so we are clear... you are bragging about an 04 team beating an 05 team that was not done in an ethical way?

This is a very sad situation on so many levels. If it truly was a mistake by DT, just say it was a mistake and someone (coach, manager, other parent) screwed up. Rules are rules and you should have followed them. Own up to it and teach your DDs the right lesson, not what has come out from DT parents in this forum. Please do not go after the other team's coach, its players, and parents.

Nocrying wrote:

whatwasithinking wrote:Nope, no mistake. Like you said in your previous post, "You don't know me, I don't know you" so let's keep it that way.

According to Orbitzone who was at the sidelines of the game (see his/her post on page 1), The sting Coach never directed her comments to the kids. She directed it to the coach:

From Orbitzone:
"That is not true, I was there with my 03 DD on the field next to you guys and she never called any of the girls cheaters. She was calling the Texans coach a cheater. Still not professional but none the less not true. Only thing I can't figure out is when they caught this, why did the tournament director let the game continue? Bad decision IMO. They should have Disqualified the texans team immediately."

Exactly, How loud would she have to be in order to have all parents hear her????? To be yelling "cheater" in the middle of the field and stomping her feet while the girls were attempting to shake hands? How are the girls suppose to take it?? She had to make a scene for her parents! She, in a way, instigated her parents to keep the situation going.

interesting how you hold the other coach accountable for bringing the other teams cheating to light but never hold your coach accountable for WILLFUL CHEATING. I think we have a handle on you now....

jsullivan81 wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Nocrying wrote:

Soccerdad28 wrote:Nocrying: I pray everyday that 1 more person in this world is willing to do the right thing versus the alternative. Your comment leads me to believe you think integrity is only a word, not a intentional ethical decision.

I am far from where I would like to be as a person, but my kids deserve every ounce of energy to be great human beings who show compassion and character.

What exactly did the Sting coach say that was so inappropriate? Did she take issue with the coach who clearly broke the rules? Did she take issue with inept administration? I stand by my statement, I would support any coach that had passion for the game and their players than I would the greatest coach who willingly broke rules.

No one is perfect here. Don't know you, you don't me, and its cool if we keep it that way. Don't know the Sting, she could be a great human being buts its unfortunate that we (the people who don't know her) walked away with a bad impression of her. Its not fair to her. But that is reality. The fact that she had an 05 team in the finals of an 04 tournament also speaks volumes of her. If you were there, you heard what she said.

It also speaks volumes about the '04 coach that felt he had to cheat to try to beat an '05 team. Pathetic!!!

and he did!!!!!

Just so we are clear... you are bragging about an 04 team beating an 05 team that was not done in an ethical way?

I am saying this, DT Deleon went 5-0 with all shutouts with 13 girls that were all of legal age and played in all the games all weekend long. Were there duplicate numbers out there, yes. Did that throw-off the players from the opposing team, I'll have to ask them. Did he do it all weekend, yes. Did someone screw up, heck yeah. Did we deserve to get DQ'd? If a rule was broken, then yes. But it should not take away from the girls and the work they did on the field.

To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Nocrying wrote:Im just happy to be in the mix. Its hard to get involved in posting when you playing with a team that is playing in a third world country league. Joking, we love our team over in DaEast. Notice our move up the rankings recently?)

Have you ever thought to yourself, maybe its because of me that my kid has to play for a cheater to play in a decent tournament??? And maybe it because of me, that she is playing in said league that is in a "third world country". I doubt YOU have, but every time you get on here and start to type I do.

Not really.

We don't know that now ... of the 13 girls on the team, 4 were not on the roster. So who is to say they were of legal age?

If your team had officially followed the rules, there would not have been an issue. Your team has played in many tournaments and leagues. You know the drill of submitting rosters ... what was the difference this time?

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Nocrying wrote:Im just happy to be in the mix. Its hard to get involved in posting when you playing with a team that is playing in a third world country league. Joking, we love our team over in DaEast. Notice our move up the rankings recently?)

Have you ever thought to yourself, maybe its because of me that my kid has to play for a cheater to play in a decent tournament??? And maybe it because of me, that she is playing in said league that is in a "third world country". I doubt YOU have, but every time you get on here and start to type I do.

Bullseye.

Parent123 wrote:To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

shame on you for taking time to write these lies. its one thing to react in the heat of the moment but to have parents come on hear and find ways of defending her is a shame. I would have hoped that yall would have talked to her already about her reaction, but I guess your fear of being left off the next tournament is greater. Explain that to your kids.

okay so it looks like Delone cheated. The second he was caught the should have bounced him from the tournament. Now regardless of what the Sting coach said or didn't say, he still cheated. Oh and if you don't want someone to call your dd's "cheater" then don't allow them to cheat. The coach cheated, the parents, and all of the girls were also complicit in the fact. You can't hang back and reap the benifits of the actions and then wash your hands of the responsibility. How the mighty have fallen. At one point Deleone was a great team right in the conversation of top teams. Now he is reduced to slumming around cheating to beat 05's.

Nocrying wrote:

Parent123 wrote:To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

shame on you for taking time to write these lies. its one thing to react in the heat of the moment but to have parents come on hear and find ways of defending her is a shame. I would have hoped that yall would have talked to her already about her reaction, but I guess your fear of being left off the next tournament is greater. Explain that to your kids.

Did you talk to your coach about how it is NOT okay to cheat? Did you talk to your kids about how your team did not get their medals because their own coach cheated?

whatwasithinking wrote:We don't know that now ... of the 13 girls on the team, 4 were not on the roster. So who is to say they were of legal age?

If your team had officially followed the rules, there would not have been an issue. Your team has played in many tournaments and leagues. You know the drill of submitting rosters ... what was the difference this time?

cant disagree. I don't think you will find a post of mine trying to defend Deleon. TD had all the rosters after all the games, all weekend long. You know why they never caught the infraction??? They were busy counting the tournament money !!!!!

Nocrying wrote:

Parent123 wrote:To the comments re: the sting coach. How do you want her to act when you find out at halftime of the championship game that 30%+ of your opponents roster aren't legit. We can say now it was a clerical error but how does anyone know that at the time? She's a fierce competitor who has built this team from scratch...my how frustrating it must be to find a playing field that isn't equal last minute. How would you react when your team is the victim of lack of integrity? How would you react when your whole goal ends the way it did...a last minute of second OT PK, a team with non-legit players, a tourney director that DQ'd both clubs? I'd say it would be a disservice to the sting kids if she didn't show a little passion and stand up for what's right. To all you DT parents, I was there too and saw a couple of your Mom's and one of the dad's shouting and pointing fingers at the coach and the parents...so lets be a little careful talking about how a situation should or shouldn't be handled. And to clarify, the coach didn't bring to light the cheating. It was the AR who heard one of our parents ask why there were 2 #10's on the field...

shame on you for taking time to write these lies. its one thing to react in the heat of the moment but to have parents come on hear and find ways of defending her is a shame. I would have hoped that yall would have talked to her already about her reaction, but I guess your fear of being left off the next tournament is greater. Explain that to your kids.

you are really far gone, YOU AND YOUR TEAM ARE CHEATERS! Is that easy enough for you to understand?

OK, I have been reading this and one things stand out to me? In academy how is using players cheating? It is in the NTSSA rules that any player of the correct age can be on your roster, no matter who the played with the day before or the day after. A player that had never practiced for a team, can jump on the roster for a tournament and it be 100% legit. My DD would frequently play for different teams in tournaments all the time, it was not cheating but academy. Where the girls too old, if that is the case, it is cheating - but using 04 girls in an 04 tournament is not cheating in my opinion.

Now, if the girls werent rostered correctly, and our technically ineligible to play, that is either a lazy manager or coach, but in academy who cares. They can bring anyone they want, and so can you, shut up and play. I am 100% sure they are not the only team playing this weekend that did not go through all the hoops to add a few players in the correct manner to their roster.

Also, if you are so low to call a roster check at half time of an academy game and find out a technical error, you either stop the game there or if you agree to play, you agree to the outcome. You can't say you are going to play it out and whine if you don't win.

Bottom line, the Texan group of little girls beat the Sting group of little girls on Sunday. What does it mean, nothing. It was one game on one day at a point where rosters are fluid. Trust me, in a few years you will be sick and tired of these stupid medals. I am so beaten down to by medal presentations, and soon you will be too.