we got cheated...

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

Gunner9 wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

Different type of soccer

That's interesting. I've only seen the RASE team play once and only seen the SRSA girls in training, so I don't have a perspective. But since each is the top team in the age group I'm curious as to what is the difference?

IMO SRSA has become quicker and direct in possession probably due to the fact they have been playing boys. RASE plays a slower possession game. There's a few other differences.

Yes, SRSA doesn't play kickball.

Neither do

The difference is between good, great and extraordinary players. Srsa has a few extraordinary players that are surrounded by great players.

Okay I am throwing down the gauntlet. I will bet DM $1 and a hand made trophy that RASE will beat SRSA in a home and away aggregate score. using champions league away goals rules. To determine the TXSOCCER CUP CHAMPION

go99 wrote:SP you don't get the point. I actually believe I said we are no SRSA so you can loosen the grip on their nutsack.

SRSA is the great 03 team, we have all heard of their greatness. The will be expect to win D1, win state, go on to nationals, girls dallas cup etc. Anything less and you will hear remeber that SRSA team that was so great in academy and then did nothing. Every game they play will be the other teams big game to take down the giant. Expectations are set and they can only fail to live up to it. Now if you feel RASE will be able to go on and do less in the 04's you are kidding yourself. Anything less and people will go on about the RASE teams and coaches failure. May not be right, may not be fair but those kind of expectations did not start with SRSA and will not end with RASE 04.

I know you have to lick lw's feet to stay on the team, but rase is a good team. Srsa is a great team...

Till-I-Collapse wrote:The difference is between good, great and extraordinary players. Srsa has a few extraordinary players that are surrounded by great players.

Thats because if you weren't great you couldn't stay on SRSA. I think RASE has some great players that play really well as a group. But it hasn't been strengthened, not hardened by that fight for survival in practice to stay on the team. But if the RASE players are only "good" then that doesn't say much for the rest of the 04's

In their age group I'd say RASE 04 is every bit as good as SRSA 03 at the same time in their development. I expect to see SRSA start making some of the finals of these 03 tournaments they play in over the summer and then I'd expect for them to play in the top 04 league and dominate that league like SRSA did last fall in TGPL (although the scores weren't always 10-0, some games were a little closer). Then I'd expect for them to start playing boys and against the top 04 boys I'd expect for them to get beaten (like SRSA does) and then for them to beat down the Tier II 04 boys (like SRSA does).

I've watched both teams play and they both are fantastic. Here would be the difference in what I've seen. Individual talent I'd put SRSA ahead of RASE 04. I really don't know if I've seen anyone in all of the 04's as talented as the front line for SRSA. Right now they are all truly special players in that age group. With that individual talent there seems to be much more emphasis one on one play and individual effort (not saying they don't pass, just that they are given more latitude to take on and try to beat the defender one on one first and pass second). For RASE 04 I see alot of really talented players who are technically sound and are learing how to play a system. They look to pass first and take on someone 1v1 second.

I really don't have a problem with either approach because they both seem to work. My honest opinion is if you took a time machine and took SRSA back a year and had them play RASE 04 I think SRSA would win, however I think it would be a 2-1 game or something like that because the teams are pretty close in their stages of development.

If they played right now, of course SRSA would beat them. RASE simply doesn't have the speed on defense to withstand the attack of SRSA, however I do think they have enough composure to be able to possibly mount some counter attacks and keep the ball from always being on their side of the pitch.

I wish some of the other top '03 girls were playing Legacy this weekend. Before we start with RASE-SRSA comparisons, I'd like to see some Sting Gut or FCD. Might make for some more entertaining games, and until RASE can beat these teams, it's a little silly to compare SRSA with them.

GrandTXSoccer wrote:In their age group I'd say RASE 04 is every bit as good as SRSA 03 at the same time in their development. I expect to see SRSA start making some of the finals of these 03 tournaments they play in over the summer and then I'd expect for them to play in the top 04 league and dominate that league like SRSA did last fall in TGPL (although the scores weren't always 10-0, some games were a little closer). Then I'd expect for them to start playing boys and against the top 04 boys I'd expect for them to get beaten (like SRSA does) and then for them to beat down the Tier II 04 boys (like SRSA does).

I've watched both teams play and they both are fantastic. Here would be the difference in what I've seen. Individual talent I'd put SRSA ahead of RASE 04. I really don't know if I've seen anyone in all of the 04's as talented as the front line for SRSA. Right now they are all truly special players in that age group. With that individual talent there seems to be much more emphasis one on one play and individual effort (not saying they don't pass, just that they are given more latitude to take on and try to beat the defender one on one first and pass second). For RASE 04 I see alot of really talented players who are technically sound and are learing how to play a system. They look to pass first and take on someone 1v1 second.

I really don't have a problem with either approach because they both seem to work. My honest opinion is if you took a time machine and took SRSA back a year and had them play RASE 04 I think SRSA would win, however I think it would be a 2-1 game or something like that because the teams are pretty close in their stages of development.

If they played right now, of course SRSA would beat them. RASE simply doesn't have the speed on defense to withstand the attack of SRSA, however I do think they have enough composure to be able to possibly mount some counter attacks and keep the ball from always being on their side of the pitch.

Totally agree. I think that the RASE mid is better than that of SRSA this time last year but the SRSA forwards are in a class of their own.

BTW, this has a chance to be the longest thread ever, both SRSA 03 and RASE 04 are being discussed. Watch out 03 Division Outlook!!!

soccerdad1969 wrote:I wish some of the other top '03 girls were playing Legacy this weekend. Before we start with RASE-SRSA comparisons, I'd like to see some Sting Gut or FCD. Might make for some more entertaining games, and until RASE can beat these teams, it's a little silly to compare SRSA with them.

As said before RASE has played Sting G close, lost to FCD East I think and has beaten RASE 03. Go back and look at what SRSA did with top 02 teams last year, it's interesting.

thats a really good breakdown. And I agree. I think we could make it past the halfline but don't think we could score. I think we could keep our shape and defend as a group and they would still score from better offense (no bad defense) We could be about as competative as the rest of the 03's

I would agree with that as well but it would not be a close game as Grand thinks. I also think 04 RASE plays a better possession game than sting G and RASE 03.

soccerdad1969 wrote:I wish some of the other top '03 girls were playing Legacy this weekend. Before we start with RASE-SRSA comparisons, I'd like to see some Sting Gut or FCD. Might make for some more entertaining games, and until RASE can beat these teams, it's a little silly to compare SRSA with them.

Thats because you are making the wrong comparison. We could beat both of those teams and still not be close to SRSA. SRSA is in the 03's the comp[arison would be that RASE is the "SRSA" of the 04's not that they are better. Anybody who thinks RASE is better or just as good as SRSA is either my dd or waaaay out there.

Till-I-Collapse wrote:I would agree with that as well but it would not be a close game as Grand thinks. I also think 04 RASE plays a better possession game than sting G and RASE 03.

RASE 03 runs our girls faster than anyone and leaves them fighting for every inch and also shows why SRSA wins. That is not enough to beat SRSA and there is no gear left after that. Fortunately we are 04's and don't have to beat them. I would put our mid against anyone in moving the ball but I don't think we could stop them enough to keep the score that low and our moving the ball around would cost us goals. Also I think we would need luck to get past their back line.

SRSA 03 and RASE 04 comparisons are so ridiculous it's not even funny.

SRSA 03s are already regarded at a national level as possibly the best 03 team in the nation and possibly the best North Texas team to come along in over a decade.

RASE 04 is regarded as the best 04 team in North Texas.

I'd say there is quite a bit of work for RASE 04 to do before people can compare them to SRSA.

Anyone who continues to make this comparison is either an LP homer, a RASE 04 parent, or a complete newbie in the Texas soccer scene.

Shelby427 wrote:SRSA 03 and RASE 04 comparisons are so ridiculous it's not even funny.

SRSA 03s are already regarded at a national level as possibly the best 03 team in the nation and possibly the best North Texas team to come along in over a decade.

RASE 04 is regarded as the best 04 team in North Texas.

I'd say there is quite a bit of work for RASE 04 to do before people can compare them to SRSA.

Anyone who continues to make this comparison is either an LP homer, a RASE 04 parent, or a complete newbie in the Texas soccer scene.

I disagree it's not unfair to compare #1 teams in different age groups. Big question will be whether LW can keep the team together.

Shelby427 wrote:SRSA 03 and RASE 04 comparisons are so ridiculous it's not even funny.

SRSA 03s are already regarded at a national level as possibly the best 03 team in the nation and possibly the best North Texas team to come along in over a decade.

RASE 04 is regarded as the best 04 team in North Texas.

I'd say there is quite a bit of work for RASE 04 to do before people can compare them to SRSA.

Anyone who continues to make this comparison is either an LP homer, a RASE 04 parent, or a complete newbie in the Texas soccer scene.

I disagree it's not unfair to compare #1 teams in different age groups. Big question will be whether LW can keep the team together.

I could be wrong but I don't think this time last year or even prior, that SRSA was beating the top teams in the 02 age group. Now I believe once the summer tournaments started I think they were winning more than they were losing but when you look at the time frame of progression, they were pretty much in the same boat as RASE 04. Also, I don't recall any 02 team being as dominant as SRSA 03 or even RASE 04, to me that age group seems much more balanced as a whole.

Don't get me wrong, in no way am I saying that RASE can beat or play with SRSA right now, like you said they haven't faired that well against the other top 03 teams up to now and those teams have faired horribly against SRSA 03, I'm just trying to keep things in as much context as they possibly can for a conversation about 9 & 10 year olds playing soccer

BTW, my score prediction was not if they played today, it was simply if you took SRSA back a year in their development and had them play RASE 04.

Now if they played today I would guess the score would be 8-0 or something like that.

so what you are saying is that if RASE turns out to be a pretty good team you won't say a word about how the team or coach came up short? Believe me if you guys don't live up to the standard set by DTS 03 you will definitely here about it from me. . Played that team a few times and I am definitely a DTS 03 homer and I expect nothing less from you guys

The point really isn't SRSA or RASE. If any team separates itself from it's peers it sets expectations of future performance and also makes you a big target to shoot down. I look at the 05's and I don't see that yet. I see a couple of teams there at the top but if one pulls away it will become that target and also create those expectations. For awhile DTS was right there with SRSA. They kept building and improving and pulled away. Nobody was burning DTS because they failed to keep pace. I think it would be a travesty if DTS didn't finish top 3 in CL but it wouldn't be nearly as big of new than if SRSA finished 2nd. I don't think LW wants to be SRSA, unfortunately you don't get to set your own expectations. Again I might be wrong here but if RASE doesn't hit that standard people will notice and comment. But to shelbz if RASE is not that target then why would south be interested in "being the team to take them down"? Why would TX Spirit have a surprise for RASE? Why was RASE V Kenn the big game? If its just another team with no expectation of performance then why would anyone care if they lost?

go99 wrote:The point really isn't SRSA or RASE. If any team separates itself from it's peers it sets expectations of future performance and also makes you a big target to shoot down. I look at the 05's and I don't see that yet. I see a couple of teams there at the top but if one pulls away it will become that target and also create those expectations. For awhile DTS was right there with SRSA. They kept building and improving and pulled away. Nobody was burning DTS because they failed to keep pace. I think it would be a travesty if DTS didn't finish top 3 in CL but it wouldn't be nearly as big of new than if SRSA finished 2nd. I don't think LW wants to be SRSA, unfortunately you don't get to set your own expectations. Again I might be wrong here but if RASE doesn't hit that standard people will notice and comment. But to shelbz if RASE is not that target then why would south be interested in "being the team to take them down"? Why would TX Spirit have a surprise for RASE? Why was RASE V Kenn the big game? If its just another team with no expectation of performance then why would anyone care if they lost?

Good points....
RASE is RASE...
no adult should hate them.
Fear them, respect them, or envy them...I think playing them is a good reference point if you want to see what else your 04 team needs work on. RASE probably feels the same way LeBron feels being compared to Michael.

Nobody is foolish enough to think any 04 team could hang with SRSA, RASE included.
The reasonable people on here are just recognizing the fact that RASE appears to be at a similar stage of their development as SRSA were this time last year.
Both teams appear to be head and shoulders above the pack in their respective age groups so I'm not sure where all the angst comes from. Seems like a reasonable comparison to me.
Of course RASE would get blown out by SRSA if they played today! SRSA are one more year ahead in their development!

SoftballDad wrote:Nobody is foolish enough to think any 04 team could hang with SRSA, RASE included.
The reasonable people on here are just recognizing the fact that RASE appears to be at a similar stage of their development as SRSA were this time last year.
Both teams appear to be head and shoulders above the pack in their respective age groups so I'm not sure where all the angst comes from. Seems like a reasonable comparison to me.
Of course RASE would get blown out by SRSA if they played today! SRSA are one more year ahead in their development!

I honestly don't think anyone said that yet...but if we, the 04 group, had to pick a representative to play them I guess it would have to be Rase right? With a few guess all stars from other squads...

Actually I am sure my DD thinks she can beat them. She is sure that NEXT time she is gonna beat her brother in 1v1. And there isn't a kid on SRSA that can stand with him but she is 9

When RASE 04 goes to national tournaments and beats other top 04 teams from other top regions AND SoCal forum rankings list them as number 1 in the nation then you can start comparing them to SRSA 03. Until that time, any such comparison is a joke at best.

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:

kixR4Adults2 wrote:Maybe LW don't wanna be like SRSA though...the way he's been acquiring all the top talent by the time select comes it'll almost be like a monopoly somewhat...its a crazy situation to me...sort of like the nba right now...

At this point I don't think he has a choice. The SRSA comparison will always be there. LW will either go on to live up to that SRSA legacy and do great things in the 04's or be the guys who failed to live up to it and I am sure if he fails there will be plenty there to celebrate and remind him of the failure. But the expectation is set and he set it with his own performance.

Go99. I have seen SRSA, I know SRSA, SRSA are friends of mine. LP Rase you are no SRSA...

Silent, why don't you get off SRSA's jock?