Re: ECNL swings back at DA

by AtThePitch 06/01/17, 01:27 pm

Thin skin nope, bored and messing with an okie... hell yeah. Lol

by TulsaFootballDad 06/01/17, 01:34 pm

I have a sense of humor and can take it, lol

by twotone 07/01/17, 02:32 pm

TulsaFootballDad wrote:FC Dallas formerly the Burn

Not to get off track, but the Burn was founded in 96 with the rest of the MLS. Dallas Inter had been around before then. Neither was a partner of each other until well until the 2000s. I'm not sure when but it seems like it was around 2005 or so. IIRC, it all officially came together at the same time with the Hunt's purchasing the team (officially) and opening the Pizza Hut Park stadium and complex out in Frisco. Did I miss the part where the millionaire started the club so his kids could get on a good team and secure a college scholarship (cuz millionaire's need those...)

by Blues Fan 07/01/17, 04:26 pm

i think Tulsa knows the error of his ways now. You can run wild with your opinions on this forum but you need at least a small link to truth to avoid being called on your BS!

by Guest 07/01/17, 05:53 pm

Blues Fan wrote:i think Tulsa knows the error of his ways now. You can run wild with your opinions on this forum but you need at least a small link to truth to avoid being called on your BS!

I beg your pardon. This forum only deals in facts not opinions jocolor

by HomeStretch 08/01/17, 08:06 am

The biggest upside for GDA is no reentry sub rules. Like it or not, FIFA rules require a different style of play. Many players that excel under Anson Dorrance style of play, which is the dominant style in girls youth soccer, can struggle under FIFA rules where you have to think more, have better vision and decsion making and cannot run full speed the entire time you're on the field. Those rules bring tactical awareness to the forefront for players and coaches. It's a huge deviation from college rules, but it has to happen for our player pool to stay ahead of the many nations closing the gap to our top players.

by Lefty 08/01/17, 10:42 am

HomeStretch wrote:The biggest upside for GDA is no reentry sub rules. Like it or not, FIFA rules require a different style of play. Many players that excel under Anson Dorrance style of play, which is the dominant style in girls youth soccer, can struggle under FIFA rules where you have to think more, have better vision and decsion making and cannot run full speed the entire time you're on the field. Those rules bring tactical awareness to the forefront for players and coaches. It's a huge deviation from college rules, but it has to happen for our player pool to stay ahead of the many nations closing the gap to our top players.

I happen to agree with you, but will go ahead and get out the usual responses to no reentry rules.

. Look at our WNT. They have been and are the best in the world. It's just a matter of fitness.
. Open substitution allows more players to play, and therefore develops more players.
. FIFA sub rules are not compatible with a pay to play model like we have below the college level.

Other great question is why it works for the WNT but not the MNT?

by ForReal 11/01/17, 12:06 am

gametime7 wrote:to address timmyh and tpitty comments:
Here are some excerpts from what US Soccer has published to date:
From the girls DA faq: "The projected pool would equate to approximately 23 players per age group for a total of 69 full-time players amongst the three age groups (U-14/15, U-16/17, and U-18/19)."
From the article summarizing the girls DA launch meeting in Chicago, under 'by the numbers' : "71 clubs, 5,000 players". Doing the math, that's 70 players per club, which supports 23 players per age group.

If anyone has newer / different information from US Soccer, please post, but it certainly appears US Soccer plans on 23 per team for the first year.

Specific to ECNL, roster sizes vary but 18 is max game day roster. ECNL structure does differ considerably from DA. Each ECNL club has 6 teams, so around 40 more players per club. ECNL allows up to 7 subs per half, and 1h subs can re-enter in 2h. That structure enables reasonable playing time for all players (at the coaches discretion of course), even for rosters of 18.
Incidentally, college sub rules are a little more flexible (no limits, can re-enter in 2h), which ironically means DA players will 'develop' under more stringent playing time conditions than what they will play under in college.
Perhaps US Soccer will make some structural changes before Fall 2017.

If they follow what they are doing with the boys, looks like US Soccer will likely implement single age groups for girls DA in short order too - further cutting into ECNL's player pool:

http://www.ussoccer.com/stories/2017/01/10/20/15/20170110-news-us-soccer-development-academy-introduces-u15-single-age-group-for-2017-18-season

by AtThePitch 11/01/17, 04:20 am

They have repeatedly stated... will not match the boys.. "girls are different"

by PowerKick 11/01/17, 09:04 am

AtThePitch wrote:They have repeatedly stated... will not match the boys.. "girls are different"

I believe they will, however they would say "for the development".

Be prepare single age group for girl DA starting U12.

by SoccerTexas 11/01/17, 11:10 am

AtThePitch wrote:They have repeatedly stated... will not match the boys.. "girls are different"

?? Please read direct quotes form April Heinrichs herself http://www.soccerwire.com/news/soccerwire-qa-u-s-soccers-april-heinrichs-dishes-on-girls-da-mallory-pugh-and-more/

http://www.socceramerica.com/article/67785/girls-development-academy-promises-to-be-less-expe.html

by AtThePitch 11/01/17, 11:21 am

I have read them, and I was lucky enough to have sat in on the public conference calls they held after the announcement of it all.

Questions were asked directly of them and direct answers were given. They addressed why there were not mimicking the structure of the boys "girls and boys are different and we do not feel it is needed for the girls", and they addressed the no high school sports..."players currently in high school would be grandfathered and permitted to play and by 2020 all players must be in alignment with their directive.

boys DA has been around for 9 years, they have made changes to it, and i think the model is showing to be working, and no not yet on the full mens side. I think they should copy the boys structure, period. Thats what I think.

But for whatever reason after 9 years of boys DA, if they were going to do it, why are they not doing it from the start. in fact some of the clubs that pulled out had issue with how the teams would have affected overall numbers for them...

im simply watching, taking notes, and learning... never been one to get my hopes up when everything they have said and are about to do points to not copying the boys.

by SoccerTexas 11/01/17, 12:38 pm

AtThePitch wrote:I have read them, and I was lucky enough to have sat in on the public conference calls they held after the announcement of it all.

Questions were asked directly of them and direct answers were given. They addressed why there were not mimicking the structure of the boys "girls and boys are different and we do not feel it is needed for the girls", and they addressed the no high school sports..."players currently in high school would be grandfathered and permitted to play and by 2020 all players must be in alignment with their directive.

boys DA has been around for 9 years, they have made changes to it, and i think the model is showing to be working, and no not yet on the full mens side. I think they should copy the boys structure, period. Thats what I think.

But for whatever reason after 9 years of boys DA, if they were going to do it, why are they not doing it from the start. in fact some of the clubs that pulled out had issue with how the teams would have affected overall numbers for them...

im simply watching, taking notes, and learning... never been one to get my hopes up when everything they have said and are about to do points to not copying the boys.

You are not stating the complete facts. While first group of DA players will be allowed to play HS they will NOT be allowed to play both DA and HS at the same time. So HS in TX starts Dec 1 and culminates in April with the state tournament. Player would be off the DA team for 4-5 months. The DA does not stop for the HS season.

by timmyh 15/01/17, 04:56 pm

Looks like there will be single GDA birth years, at least for U14 and U15. Another nail in the ECNL coffin.

by soccer4fun 15/01/17, 07:22 pm

my point on this if you watched the past 5 years or so US Club has trounced the Federation regarding marketing, branding and quality product. To now assume that they (US Club) will willingly just sit back and "hand over the girls side" would be to do so at your own peril. The bigger question for me is not how things will shake out on the girls but how effectively US Club will be able to bring the boys ECNL to life and compete. For my money I would be betting on US Club based on their track record. It will be interesting to see in a few years but that's where I'm going.

by Zizou 15/01/17, 08:42 pm

Na, the effort and marketing will be their but the top clubs and players will filter into the GDA, and DA clubs. I give ECNL huge credit for putting women's soccer on the map through out the region and nationally, but the bigger question is will parents pay the price tag for a second tier league. My guess here in Dallas is yes!

by timmyh 15/01/17, 09:58 pm

timmyh wrote:Looks like there will be single GDA birth years, at least for U14 and U15. Another nail in the ECNL coffin.

Confirmed by US Soccer in an email to all academy clubs. Sample:
http://lapremierfc.com/football/girlsacademy

by ForReal 16/01/17, 01:54 am

timmyh wrote:
timmyh wrote:Looks like there will be single GDA birth years, at least for U14 and U15. Another nail in the ECNL coffin.

Confirmed by US Soccer in an email to all academy clubs. Sample:
http://lapremierfc.com/football/girlsacademy

As I said, but surprised they aren't wasting any time.

This feud is ugly. For the good of the national teams, there needs to be one favorite. But DA isn't for all. Wish they'd focus on the studs and let ECNL still serve as the gateway for those desiring to play college.

by Lefty 16/01/17, 07:56 am

ForReal wrote:
timmyh wrote:
timmyh wrote:Looks like there will be single GDA birth years, at least for U14 and U15. Another nail in the ECNL coffin.

Confirmed by US Soccer in an email to all academy clubs. Sample:
http://lapremierfc.com/football/girlsacademy

As I said, but surprised they aren't wasting any time.

This feud is ugly. For the good of the national teams, there needs to be one favorite. But DA isn't for all. Wish they'd focus on the studs and let ECNL still serve as the gateway for those desiring to play college.

That would be ideal.

i.e let DA focus on players in contention for the National Team & D1 top 25 college programs, and ECNL for the rest of the aspiring college players and geographic outliers.

Unfortunately the economics of girls soccer make it unlikely that it will settle that way.

by timmyh 16/01/17, 10:18 am

More help from LA Premier to help clarify some of the structure for the GDA:
3 Showcase events: Winter (December 7-11, 2017), Spring (March/April), Summer (June)
Frontier Conference - 26-30 Regular Season Games; 35-39 total games
Fall Season - September 2 - November 19, 2017
Spring Season - January 20 - June 3, 2018
Gameday Roster - 18, limited subs across 3 "moments" no re-entry, 25% start rate over course of season
Rosters size - 16-23
Developmental Players must come from within the DA club and can play in a max of 6 games
http://lapremierfc.com/_files/football/girlsacademy/Girls%20DA%20Overview%20PDF.pdf

by Lefty 16/01/17, 10:24 am

timmyh wrote:More help from LA Premier to help clarify some of the structure for the GDA:
3 Showcase events: Winter (December 7-11, 2017), Spring (March/April), Summer (June)
Frontier Conference - 26-30 Regular Season Games; 35-39 total games
Fall Season - September 2 - November 19, 2017
Spring Season - January 20 - June 3, 2018
Gameday Roster - 18, limited subs across 3 "moments" no re-entry, 25% start rate over course of season
Rosters size - 16-23
Developmental Players must come from within the DA club and can play in a max of 6 games
http://lapremierfc.com/_files/football/girlsacademy/Girls%20DA%20Overview%20PDF.pdf

Sounds like they are on the mark if they are focused on developing players for WNT / FIFA rules.

Kind of gives players some choice and alternative paths depending on their endpoint aspirations. Not that either path precludes cross over at some point.

WNT - DA
College Soccer - ECNL

by timmyh 16/01/17, 10:29 am

Lefty wrote:
timmyh wrote:More help from LA Premier to help clarify some of the structure for the GDA:
3 Showcase events: Winter (December 7-11, 2017), Spring (March/April), Summer (June)
Frontier Conference - 26-30 Regular Season Games; 35-39 total games
Fall Season - September 2 - November 19, 2017
Spring Season - January 20 - June 3, 2018
Gameday Roster - 18, limited subs across 3 "moments" no re-entry, 25% start rate over course of season
Rosters size - 16-23
Developmental Players must come from within the DA club and can play in a max of 6 games
http://lapremierfc.com/_files/football/girlsacademy/Girls%20DA%20Overview%20PDF.pdf

Sounds like they are on the mark if they are focused on developing players for WNT / FIFA rules.

I think DA is better set up for potential college players, too. I love the 25% start rule. How many girls on the backend of an ECNL roster hardly see the field? Quite a few. This forces all players to be contributors. For the showcases or playoffs, basically every single girl on the roster will get at least one start. That's great for college coaches to get to see a bubble player (rather than inviting coaches out to a game and hoping the 18th girl on the roster gets a few minute run out on the field).

by Lefty 16/01/17, 10:39 am

timmyh wrote:
Lefty wrote:
timmyh wrote:More help from LA Premier to help clarify some of the structure for the GDA:
3 Showcase events: Winter (December 7-11, 2017), Spring (March/April), Summer (June)
Frontier Conference - 26-30 Regular Season Games; 35-39 total games
Fall Season - September 2 - November 19, 2017
Spring Season - January 20 - June 3, 2018
Gameday Roster - 18, limited subs across 3 "moments" no re-entry, 25% start rate over course of season
Rosters size - 16-23
Developmental Players must come from within the DA club and can play in a max of 6 games
http://lapremierfc.com/_files/football/girlsacademy/Girls%20DA%20Overview%20PDF.pdf

Sounds like they are on the mark if they are focused on developing players for WNT / FIFA rules.

I think DA is better set up for potential college players, too. I love the 25% start rule. How many girls on the backend of an ECNL roster hardly see the field? Quite a few. This forces all players to be contributors. For the showcases or playoffs, basically every single girl on the roster will get at least one start. That's great for college coaches to get to see a bubble player (rather than inviting coaches out to a game and hoping the 18th girl on the roster gets a few minute run out on the field).

Don't disagree. However for some players whose aspiration is college soccer, ECNL may be a better stylistic platform to present themselves in showcasing their strengths and minimizing their weaknesses as it will more closely approximate the collegiate rules.

by Guest 16/01/17, 10:42 am

Lefty wrote:
ForReal wrote:
timmyh wrote:
timmyh wrote:Looks like there will be single GDA birth years, at least for U14 and U15. Another nail in the ECNL coffin.

Confirmed by US Soccer in an email to all academy clubs. Sample:
http://lapremierfc.com/football/girlsacademy

As I said, but surprised they aren't wasting any time.

This feud is ugly. For the good of the national teams, there needs to be one favorite. But DA isn't for all. Wish they'd focus on the studs and let ECNL still serve as the gateway for those desiring to play college.

That would be ideal.

i.e let DA focus on players in contention for the National Team & D1 top 25 college programs, and ECNL for the rest of the aspiring college players and geographic outliers.

Unfortunately the economics of girls soccer make it unlikely that it will settle that way.

Forget about economics... Egos will make it unlikely that it will settle out that way... From DA/ECNL Brass, to College/Club coaches, to players and their parents...

by HomeStretch 16/01/17, 10:47 am

Lefty wrote:
Kind of gives players some choice and alternative paths depending on their endpoint aspirations. Not that either path precludes cross over at some point.

WNT - DA
College Soccer - ECNL

Likely in a few years it will play out as...

WNT - Odds too small for anyone to worry about
YNT & Top 75 College Soccer - DA
Mid Major D1 and below College Soccer - ECNL, USYS, NPL, Super Y, etc. etc. etc.

the super studs on high school private school scholarships will get to play DA because USSF won't let them miss the top level.

by SoccerTexas 16/01/17, 10:59 am

USSF has already caved and split out the U14/U15 age groups. The member clubs will soon drive the split of the U16/U17 age groups as well. That will get them back to 5 top teams U14/U15/U16/U17/U18-19 to keep the fees coming with the same roster spots as ECNL. This will bring the level of play right back to where ECNL is currently. DA was supposed to be a level above ECNL with the combined teams, now it will end up right back at the ECNL level. Same small numbers of market training invites, GNT/YNT pool players pulled from same regions.

Its a power grab by USSF over US Club. They are tired of the continuous ECNL press releases showing how many GNT/YNT are ECNL'ers. USSF should have come to the table and merged/taken over ECNL from the very beginning. Egos wouldnt allow it.

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