School wins 21st straight state title, setting U.S. record ... or does it?

dumbdad9596 wrote:Jesuit and Strake Jesuit (Houston) had to sue the UIL to get in.

Ursuline can be proud of their accomplishment, but it is not 21 years of winning the State Championship, but a small subset of the Texas and not even champion of all the private schools.

Ursuline did not play the other private school soccer power, #5 DMN Hockaday, as Hockaday plays in a different private school association, the SPC, than TAPPS. It did play FW Country Day-2nd place SPC team and lost.!!

pitchnovice wrote:

dumbdad9596 wrote:Jesuit and Strake Jesuit (Houston) had to sue the UIL to get in.

Ursuline can be proud of their accomplishment, but it is not 21 years of winning the State Championship, but a small subset of the Texas and not even champion of all the private schools.

Ursuline did not play the other private school soccer power, #5 DMN Hockaday, as Hockaday plays in a different private school association, the SPC, than TAPPS. It did play FW Country Day-2nd place SPC team and lost.!!

So one loss to Country Day should erase 21 years of success?! What is your point? Also, have you looked at the trophy? I have, it does not state "State Champion of a small subset of the Texas" Nor does it state "Not Even Cahmpion of all the Private Schools". It says: State Champion. DumbDadDude, 21 years of winning the final game of the season! Why try to take them down? Just another small example of our society not lifting up success but trying to tear down those who have been successful, and for 21 years! The odds of that are freaking amazing and impressive, especially with the schools/teams in TAPPS: Nolan, Bishop Lynch, TCA, etc. I hope my DD will be on the team that brings them down, go Nolan Class of '19.

retals me wrote:Thats NOTHING!!!! Anybody seen the UCONN womenz bawlaz? Save Stanford catching those girls after a hard night of No Cal throw down, that's the streak.

Lawnboy wrote:

pitchnovice wrote:

dumbdad9596 wrote:Jesuit and Strake Jesuit (Houston) had to sue the UIL to get in.

Ursuline can be proud of their accomplishment, but it is not 21 years of winning the State Championship, but a small subset of the Texas and not even champion of all the private schools.

Ursuline did not play the other private school soccer power, #5 DMN Hockaday, as Hockaday plays in a different private school association, the SPC, than TAPPS. It did play FW Country Day-2nd place SPC team and lost.!!

So one loss to Country Day should erase 21 years of success?! What is your point? Also, have you looked at the trophy? I have, it does not state "State Champion of a small subset of the Texas" Nor does it state "Not Even Cahmpion of all the Private Schools". It says: State Champion. DumbDadDude, 21 years of winning the final game of the season! Why try to take them down? Just another small example of our society not lifting up success but trying to tear down those who have been successful, and for 21 years! The odds of that are freaking amazing and impressive, especially with the schools/teams in TAPPS: Nolan, Bishop Lynch, TCA, etc. I hope my DD will be on the team that brings them down, go Nolan Class of '19.

Chill out! No one is trying to bring the Ursuline ladies down... just stating the facts. 21 years in a row of winning their small conference is a great accomplishment. It's just not the same as winning in a bigger universe. Just because their trophy says State Champions doesn't make it so. It doesn't even sound like TAPPS is the highest-level P-school conference. With schools like Hockaday, Greenhill, St. John's, St. Marks, Kinkaid, Episcopal of Dallas, et al, it sounds like TAPPS is the poor step-child conference to SPC. What kind of balance sheet does a school need to get into SPC?

Regardless, neither conference can produce anything that can be legitimately called a State Champion -- just too small of a fish pond. I agree that they should be allowed to join UIL and play the big boys. But I doubt they really want to, because that would render this discussion moot.

ponystop wrote:game, set, match...Spinal Tap!


Go Bears!

ponystop wrote:Lawnboy,
First, why are you even involved in this discussion--your kid is still in middle school. You obviously don't know the history involved. Schools compete in specific leagues for different reasons. In Ursuline's case, it's not all about sports, TAPPS also governs performing & fine arts. So your "checkbook comment" really isn't called for.

Ursuilne just won its 21st TAPPS State Championship. That's all they're claiming. No more. No less. You have to admit, winning 21 of anything straight should be commended. And yes, the trophy does say "TAPPS"

Like EVERY team, both public and private, there are up and down years. Why pick on one team? I was simply, mainly out of fun, pointing out Spinal Tap's logic...at the beginning, lots of people said the Jesuit teams wouldn't succeed in the UIL. Last year, the soccer teams met in the finals with Jesuit Dallas coming out on top.

Lighten up, or at least speak of which you have a clue.

ponystop wrote:Lawnboy,
First, why are you even involved in this discussion--your kid is still in middle school. You obviously don't know the history involved. Schools compete in specific leagues for different reasons. In Ursuline's case, it's not all about sports, TAPPS also governs performing & fine arts. So your "checkbook comment" really isn't called for.

Ursuilne just won its 21st TAPPS State Championship. That's all they're claiming. No more. No less. You have to admit, winning 21 of anything straight should be commended. And yes, the trophy does say "TAPPS"

Like EVERY team, both public and private, there are up and down years. Why pick on one team? I was simply, mainly out of fun, pointing out Spinal Tap's logic...at the beginning, lots of people said the Jesuit teams wouldn't succeed in the UIL. Last year, the soccer teams met in the finals with Jesuit Dallas coming out on top.

Lighten up, or at least speak of which you have a clue.

MagnaEstVeritas wrote:

ponystop wrote:Lawnboy,
First, why are you even involved in this discussion--your kid is still in middle school. You obviously don't know the history involved. Schools compete in specific leagues for different reasons. In Ursuline's case, it's not all about sports, TAPPS also governs performing & fine arts. So your "checkbook comment" really isn't called for.

Ursuilne just won its 21st TAPPS State Championship. That's all they're claiming. No more. No less. You have to admit, winning 21 of anything straight should be commended. And yes, the trophy does say "TAPPS"

Like EVERY team, both public and private, there are up and down years. Why pick on one team? I was simply, mainly out of fun, pointing out Spinal Tap's logic...at the beginning, lots of people said the Jesuit teams wouldn't succeed in the UIL. Last year, the soccer teams met in the finals with Jesuit Dallas coming out on top.

Lighten up, or at least speak of which you have a clue.

If those who throw stones from the sidlines only spoke of that which they have a clue, they would often have nothing to say...



Ursuline is a very impressive team who plays head to head with 4A and 5A teams year in and year out at the top levels of soccer in the metroplex...

Over the last three seasons they have beaten the following 4A/5A schools:Coppell, Plano, Mansfield, Rockwall, Flower Mound, Grapevine, Marcus (source DMN: HS GameTime)

This year they lost to McKinney Boyd 2-1... Last time I checked McKinney was ranked #1 in the state for 5A teams.

#2420 wrote:From Yahoo's home page. Glad to see that girls are getting some national press.

School wins 21st straight state title, setting U.S. record ... or does it?By Cameron Smith
You'll have to forgive the Ursuline (Texas) Academy girls soccer program if it feels a little aggrieved, despite winning what should be a national-record 21st straight state title on Saturday. The Bears have good reason to be upset: Despite the fact that their 21 consecutive titles is a national record, it's not being credited as a nationwide mark because of the association in which Ursuline competes.


http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/School-wins-21st-straight-state-title-setting-U?urn=highschool-325001




I agree that 21 straight TAPPS is a huge accomplishment and the BEARS should be proud. Ursuline also has a history of producing great players.



As pointed out by the Dallas Morning News' Corbett Smith, Ursuline competes in the Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools -- TAPPS -- just as all other private schools across the state do. That stands in sharp contrast to most states across the country, which integrate public schools and private schools in the same athletic governing body.

As it turns out, in states that have separate public and private athletic organizations, only the public leagues are considered when determining historic records. Therefore, the 21 trophies currently ensconced in the Ursuline athletic facilities are worth little more than two decades of bragging rights over other all-girls schools, according to the folks at the National Sports Record Book.

According to Smith, Portland (Ore.) Catlin Gable High holds the record for most consecutive girls soccer titles with 11. That's right, the current record-holders have been outdone by the Bears by a whopping decade worth of state titles, yet are still recognized as the most successful streak-owning girls soccer program in the nation.

If there was any question that Ursuline was deserving of recognition, the Bears likely answered those questions in their title-game victory. After falling behind by a goal in the early moments, Ursuline responded with four consecutive goals to run roughshod over runner-up Fort Worth (Texas) Nolan Catholic School, 4-1.

"At this point in the season it's more about emotion then about technical or tactical play," Ursuline coach Jamie Cantrell told the Morning News. "We knew if we got down one, we trained for it."

At that point in the season, Cantrell's team has known exactly what to do time and again. It's just time that the rest of the country acknowledged its greatness.

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