Independent Associations Responsibility to Ensure Decent Coaching?

JustaSport wrote:

Blank77 wrote:

sideline fan wrote:I think the comment about PPL select/rec and LHGCL is select/competitive is fairly closed minded. LH all goes down to 1 qualifying tournament in July--lets say 105 degree heat. These girls are 10 and believe it or not can have a bad tournament or a really good tournament (these will probably fall off). There are a few in PPL this year that that happened to. You are then in PPl for a year. It doesn't mean that you are a rec team--riduculous! I don't have a PPL DD but a LH one so I am not particulary biased. There is no comparison between rec soccer and PPL. Lucky for the teams that had a good tournament and won't fall off for a couple of years. I am basically referring to teams 11-30. teams in the top 10 are definitely at a higher level.

You are saying I am close minded, but then say PPL and Rec is no comparison. That is comical. PPL D2 is a rec league. The coaching may be better, but the level of teams past the top 60 (30 LHGCL, 19 PPL D1, APL) is rec level. I also guarantee there are 5-10 true rec teams playing in local associations that would be more than competitive in D2 and several that would compete in the 19 team D1. I have PPL kids and LH kids, not just a LH player, so I have seen plenty PPL D1 and D2 games.

You can check history, very few teams that don't qualify going into u11 ever make a dent. The idea that there is this lucky or unlucky weekend is incorrect and top quality teams are floating around PPL is a pipe dream. You are who you are, at least by year 2, 100% of the time. Look at FC Dallas 01. Dominant 01 PPL D1 team last year, in LHGCL D2 they are winless/tieless after 14 games with 1 goal every 4 games. Not even competitive. I am sure the top 5 teams in D3 would have at least scored 5 goals or wiggled out a tie by now. There record spells it out pretty clearly the gap between LHGCL and selrec soccer.

I would have to agree more with Blank's assessment above than SideLine's. As a coach of an 01 team in the top division of PSA, I write based on distinct and lengthy experience on the matter. Here are some things to consider:

* Many of the players on top PSA teams also play on PPL teams. It's usually very difficult to spot those select players on game days. I don't even point them out to my girls.

* My team is 100% recreational in that none are rostered to select teams. These "rec" players defeat the teams loaded with PPL select players more often than not. We do, however, have a few girls that briefly played select soccer (one season) on an LH D3 team. They are generally equal in skills to the rest of the team that never did. The only exception is a single player on our team that was previously on a LH D1 team. She plays at an entirely different level than nearly all the others.

* Admittedly, my 01 team has taken a different route than most would expect of a rec team. They practice year around, futsal in the off-season, and work their tails off. But our team is not the exception. There are multiple teams like ours in PSA, PYSA-rec, and I assume at other venues.

* One of my rec players guest-played with a LH D3 team in a tournament this past winter. She was as good or better than anyone on the team and matched up well with a mid-ranked LH D1 team. My point is that while there may be some exceptional PPL players out there that could rival their LH counterparts individually, you would be hard-pressed to find an entire PPL team that could do so.

* From what I've observed, the big cut-off is between PPL 1 and PPL 2. I would contend that the majority of PPL 2 teams are what would be categorized as "select-rec".

Packrabbit wrote:
Topic: Independent Associations Responsibility to Ensure Decent Coaching?
We are now comparing Rec Soccer to PPL to LH? Has a rec team beaten a LH recently?... What am I missing?

Blank77 wrote:

JustaSport wrote:I would have to agree more with Blank's assessment above than SideLine's. As a coach of an 01 team in the top division of PSA, I write based on distinct and lengthy experience on the matter. Here are some things to consider:

* Many of the players on top PSA teams also play on PPL teams. It's usually very difficult to spot those select players on game days. I don't even point them out to my girls.

* My team is 100% recreational in that none are rostered to select teams. These "rec" players defeat the teams loaded with PPL select players more often than not. We do, however, have a few girls that briefly played select soccer (one season) on an LH D3 team. They are generally equal in skills to the rest of the team that never did. The only exception is a single player on our team that was previously on a LH D1 team. She plays at an entirely different level than nearly all the others.

* Admittedly, my 01 team has taken a different route than most would expect of a rec team. They practice year around, futsal in the off-season, and work their tails off. But our team is not the exception. There are multiple teams like ours in PSA, PYSA-rec, and I assume at other venues.

* One of my rec players guest-played with a LH D3 team in a tournament this past winter. She was as good or better than anyone on the team and matched up well with a mid-ranked LH D1 team. My point is that while there may be some exceptional PPL players out there that could rival their LH counterparts individually, you would be hard-pressed to find an entire PPL team that could do so.

* From what I've observed, the big cut-off is between PPL 1 and PPL 2. I would contend that the majority of PPL 2 teams are what would be categorized as "select-rec".

PSA really isn't rec. Too a certain point, it is selrec, as you can select your rec players and even sprinkle in some select players as it is NOT NTSSA. True Associations, PYSA, FSA, GTFO, WTF, JFC, GLASA, with rare exceptions do not allow any preform and have a biased draft to place players. Historically, PSA has always had very good age level teams in their top divisions.

Blank77 wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:
Topic: Independent Associations Responsibility to Ensure Decent Coaching?
We are now comparing Rec Soccer to PPL to LH? Has a rec team beaten a LH recently?... What am I missing?

You are missing the point entirely about rec, PPL, and LH. What is being said is that LH is competitive, but PPL is mainly just selected rec players. There are so many select teams that select doesn't mean anything past LH and maybe a handful of PPL and APL teams.

Blank77 wrote:I wish I could find the post where I listed the names of the PPL teams, it was one of my finer moments.