First Hand Experiences with this coach?

Actually Dallas Texans White, from Plano (16th in Division 1) has now become Dallas Texans Red under Coach Franklin with a bye into LH.

InaB wrote:Actually Dallas Texans White, from Plano (16th in Division 1) has now become Dallas Texans Red under Coach Franklin with a bye into LH.

That is a fact. It’s going to be a long road for the White team this year. Franklin is a good coach he will get them competitive.

InaB wrote:Actually Dallas Texans White, from Plano (16th in Division 1) has now become Dallas Texans Red under Coach Franklin with a bye into LH.

Refresh my memory InaB, does the club own the bye? So they dont have to have 75% of the players rostered from the previous year?

00scrmom wrote:

InaB wrote:Actually Dallas Texans White, from Plano (16th in Division 1) has now become Dallas Texans Red under Coach Franklin with a bye into LH.

Refresh my memory InaB, does the club own the bye?  So they dont have to have 75% of the players rostered from the previous year?

Not a unique situation. I can think of one specific example. Solar did this a few years ago. D1 Team had problems with injuries, girls moving, but were going to stay in D1. It was estimated maybe 5 girls were returning. All strong quality players. The Coach was acting evasive, but wouldn't tell the team anything specific. Very late in June, Solar brought in an intact much lower ranked team from another club whose team manager advised these girls no room for them. This despite IMO, the cut girls were stronger players than anyone on the incoming team. These girls were left hanging in late June scrambling for a new team. They all landed well, but very stressful looking for a new team that late.

Yes, the club will own the bye. The 75% rule does not come in to play.

This is exactly what is wrong with LHGCL. Again a team that does not belong in LHGCL is going to be awarded a bye without earning the spot. DT White did not earn the spot by playing the game, but by being in a club that folded a team.

It would be better for the Texans to either leave the spot and allow for another team to qualify during QT or award it to the DT FW 00 team.

00scrmom wrote:

InaB wrote:Actually Dallas Texans White, from Plano (16th in Division 1) has now become Dallas Texans Red under Coach Franklin with a bye into LH.

Refresh my memory InaB, does the club own the bye?  So they dont have to have 75% of the players rostered from the previous year?

The club owns the bye, unless 75% of the team moves and stays intact. The 75% rule does not come into play, unless the team moves, and wants to claim the bye. Then they have to have 75% of the April 1 roster.

See LHGCL rules

http://www.girlsclassicleague.org/lhgclbylawsandrules/IIIQualifyingRulesforLHGCLVer0302V13.pdf

Noob wrote:Yes, the club will own the bye.  The 75% rule does not come in to play.

This is exactly what is wrong with LHGCL.  Again a team that does not  belong in LHGCL is going to be awarded a bye without earning the spot.  DT White did not earn the spot by playing the game, but by being in a club that folded a team.  

It would be better for the Texans to either leave the spot and allow for another team to qualify during QT or award it to the DT FW 00 team.  

People used to say the same thing about N+1. This was a response to teams/clubs being blackmailed by the "+1" or a small group.

Hi Mom, they are right. When a club folds rather than move with enough players to retain the bye, then the club retains the bye and can move any team to that spot. I too feel sorry both for the white (now red) team and DT North who had to work hard to make D2. The White team, who was in 16th place in Plano, will be stepping far ahead of where they have played.

Again, why not DTFW?? They were LH a year ago and would be the next in pecking order if you went by record and such...The answer, they hope DTFW earns in through QT...more DT teams in LH!

dadof3 wrote:Again, why not DTFW?? They were LH a year ago and would be the next in pecking order if you went by record and such...The answer, they hope DTFW earns in through QT...more DT teams in LH!

That has to happen though...I think DTFW can make it but I would think it looks better to have a team that has the potential to retain a D2 spot rather than put a team that the chances are more likely to get relegated. No disrespect to the DTW ladies. It's a gamble either way.

Don't know what N+1 is but, IMHO I think that only the 75% rule should allow any team to keep a bye. All other teams should earn their way into LH. It's not fair to the girls already in nor is it fair for the Plano or Arlington (or whoever) coming in. It's also not fair for the 6th or 7th place DIII team being relegated for one of these non-qualified teams coming in.

With the new team coming in, they should have a play in game with the team they are adversely effecting. DT White Vs who would have been promoted Sting West West. The winner of the game gets D2, the loser goes to D3. DT still retains a LH bye, but in a more appropriate division.

I know dreaming....

soccerdad1969 wrote:Don't know what N+1 is but, IMHO I think that only the 75% rule should allow any team to keep a bye. All other teams should earn their way into LH. It's not fair to the girls already in nor is it fair for the Plano or Arlington (or whoever) coming in. It's also not fair for the 6th or 7th place DIII team being relegated for one of these non-qualified teams coming in.

In the olden days, a team only retained the bye if they registered N+1 from the April 1 roster of the previous year.  N was half of the roster, so if a team had 14 on the roster they had to resign 8 players from the previous roster.  When they made the change, it may have been believed that if a club had a D-I bye they would attract D-I players, however, the teams tend to disintegrate at the last moment, so the clubs throw in whoever they have to fill the spot.  If there is more than a 1 division jump it is usually a long year for that team.

Noob wrote:Yes, the club will own the bye.  The 75% rule does not come in to play.

This is exactly what is wrong with LHGCL.  Again a team that does not  belong in LHGCL is going to be awarded a bye without earning the spot.  DT White did not earn the spot by playing the game, but by being in a club that folded a team.  

It would be better for the Texans to either leave the spot and allow for another team to qualify during QT or award it to the DT FW 00 team.  

Chances are good DTFW will make QT regardless of a bye. Having teams in the classic league draws players, having multiple teams draws more.

There may be a portion of the girls that may remain from DTRed and backfill with DTWht. If they can not get up to speed or, supplement their roster with other competitive players, they will be relegated to D3 next season and the churn continues.

LHGCL process may seem flawed or unfair. The front door at QT is wide open, if a team can't win at QT, they aren't going to fare much better in the league at the lowest division. Teams that are not competitive get relegated, teams that get relegated go back to QT or go home.

midfieldersdad wrote:

Noob wrote:Yes, the club will own the bye.  The 75% rule does not come in to play.

This is exactly what is wrong with LHGCL.  Again a team that does not  belong in LHGCL is going to be awarded a bye without earning the spot.  DT White did not earn the spot by playing the game, but by being in a club that folded a team.  

It would be better for the Texans to either leave the spot and allow for another team to qualify during QT or award it to the DT FW 00 team.  

Chances are good DTFW will make QT regardless of a bye. Having teams in the classic league draws players, having multiple teams draws more.

There may be a portion of the girls that may remain from DTRed and backfill with DTWht. If they can not get up to speed or, supplement their roster with other competitive players, they will be relegated to D3 next season and the churn continues.

LHGCL process may seem flawed or unfair. The front door at QT is wide open, if a team can't win at QT, they aren't going to fare much better in the league at the lowest division. Teams that are not competitive get relegated, teams that get relegated go back to QT or go home.

In the meantime, up to 18 DDs and their parents get the thrill of learning to lose for a year while the big club gets to keep aa bye and recruit over these same DDs next year.

Ed wrote:

midfieldersdad wrote:

Noob wrote:Yes, the club will own the bye.  The 75% rule does not come in to play.

This is exactly what is wrong with LHGCL.  Again a team that does not  belong in LHGCL is going to be awarded a bye without earning the spot.  DT White did not earn the spot by playing the game, but by being in a club that folded a team.  

It would be better for the Texans to either leave the spot and allow for another team to qualify during QT or award it to the DT FW 00 team.  

Chances are good DTFW will make QT regardless of a bye. Having teams in the classic league draws players, having multiple teams draws more.

There may be a portion of the girls that may remain from DTRed and backfill with DTWht. If they can not get up to speed or, supplement their roster with other competitive players, they will be relegated to D3 next season and the churn continues.

LHGCL process may seem flawed or unfair. The front door at QT is wide open, if a team can't win at QT, they aren't going to fare much better in the league at the lowest division. Teams that are not competitive get relegated, teams that get relegated go back to QT or go home.

In the meantime, up to 18 DDs and their parents get the thrill of learning to lose for a year while the big club gets to keep aa bye and recruit over these same DDs next year.

At any given time, the parent, the player, can CHOOSE to take a chance and reach deep within and gut it out! No one is forcing these players to sign. If no one signs, the team folds, and the bye is lost, it happens. But, soccer girls are pretty tough and losing is part of the game. I'm sure there are DDs out there eager to take a chance on themselves, and are thrilled to do so.

midfieldersdad wrote:

Ed wrote:

midfieldersdad wrote:

Noob wrote:Yes, the club will own the bye.  The 75% rule does not come in to play.

This is exactly what is wrong with LHGCL.  Again a team that does not  belong in LHGCL is going to be awarded a bye without earning the spot.  DT White did not earn the spot by playing the game, but by being in a club that folded a team.  

It would be better for the Texans to either leave the spot and allow for another team to qualify during QT or award it to the DT FW 00 team.  

Chances are good DTFW will make QT regardless of a bye. Having teams in the classic league draws players, having multiple teams draws more.

There may be a portion of the girls that may remain from DTRed and backfill with DTWht. If they can not get up to speed or, supplement their roster with other competitive players, they will be relegated to D3 next season and the churn continues.

LHGCL process may seem flawed or unfair. The front door at QT is wide open, if a team can't win at QT, they aren't going to fare much better in the league at the lowest division. Teams that are not competitive get relegated, teams that get relegated go back to QT or go home.

In the meantime, up to 18 DDs and their parents get the thrill of learning to lose for a year while the big club gets to keep aa bye and recruit over these same DDs next year.

At any given time, the parent, the player, can CHOOSE to take a chance and reach deep within and gut it out! No one is forcing these players to sign. If no one signs, the team folds, and the bye is lost, it happens. But, soccer girls are pretty tough and losing is part of the game. I'm sure there are DDs out there eager to take a chance on themselves, and are thrilled to do so.

Spoken (ok written) like a true club salesperson.

"Again, why not DTFW?? They were LH a year ago and would be the next in pecking order if you went by record and such...The answer, they hope DTFW earns in through QT...more DT teams in LH"

Dad, I know that they were in LH a year ago, and if they were moving into a bye in D3, I would say of course they could take it on. I know the team will work hard.  However, it is a major leap to go from Plano directly to D2 LH. You know what the competition will be having earned your way to D2. That is my concern. They were in D3 last year and struggled in Plano this past season. That is a lot to take on - even if there are original red players left. I hope they can succeed, but I think it is going to be a very rocky road for them. One thing that may help them is that there are many teams in all three divisions who have had turnover this year so the team makeups will be different. Regardless, I wish all teams the best of luck.

InaB wrote:"Again, why not DTFW?? They were LH a year ago and would be the next in pecking order if you went by record and such...The answer, they hope DTFW earns in through QT...more DT teams in LH"

Dad, I know that they were in LH a year ago, and if they were moving into a bye in D3, I would say of course they could take it on. I know the team will work hard.  However, it is a major leap to go from Plano directly to D2 LH. You know what the competition will be having earned your way to D2. That is my concern. They were in D3 last year and struggled in Plano this past season. That is a lot to take on - even if there are original red players left. I hope they can succeed, but I think it is going to be a very rocky road for them. One thing that may help them is that there are many teams in all three divisions who have had turnover this year so the team makeups will be different. Regardless, I wish all teams the best of luck.

How did DT FTW struggle in Plano this past season? They finished third with a record of 13-3-2 36GF and 7 GAs, the least amount of GAs of any team. I think it would be a leap but not nearly the leap it would be if Texans took the White team and not the FTW team. JMHO!

Ah, sorry I looked at DT White which is the team that says it has now become DT Red. (See 00 Girls teams looking posting)

(edited to add additional info)

InaB wrote:Ah, sorry I looked at DT White

I was kinda thinking that

Ed wrote:

midfieldersdad wrote:

Ed wrote:

midfieldersdad wrote:

Noob wrote:Yes, the club will own the bye.  The 75% rule does not come in to play.

This is exactly what is wrong with LHGCL.  Again a team that does not  belong in LHGCL is going to be awarded a bye without earning the spot.  DT White did not earn the spot by playing the game, but by being in a club that folded a team.  

It would be better for the Texans to either leave the spot and allow for another team to qualify during QT or award it to the DT FW 00 team.  

Chances are good DTFW will make QT regardless of a bye. Having teams in the classic league draws players, having multiple teams draws more.

There may be a portion of the girls that may remain from DTRed and backfill with DTWht. If they can not get up to speed or, supplement their roster with other competitive players, they will be relegated to D3 next season and the churn continues.

LHGCL process may seem flawed or unfair. The front door at QT is wide open, if a team can't win at QT, they aren't going to fare much better in the league at the lowest division. Teams that are not competitive get relegated, teams that get relegated go back to QT or go home.

In the meantime, up to 18 DDs and their parents get the thrill of learning to lose for a year while the big club gets to keep aa bye and recruit over these same DDs next year.

At any given time, the parent, the player, can CHOOSE to take a chance and reach deep within and gut it out! No one is forcing these players to sign. If no one signs, the team folds, and the bye is lost, it happens. But, soccer girls are pretty tough and losing is part of the game. I'm sure there are DDs out there eager to take a chance on themselves, and are thrilled to do so.

Spoken (ok written) like a true club salesperson.

LOL! Thanks Ed that was a belly gigglier! Let me know if I can help with your PR needs!

Big Mea Culpa Dad, I totally misread your post. "Again, why not DTFW?? They were LH a year ago and would be the next in pecking order if you went by record and such...The answer, they hope DTFW earns in through QT...more DT teams in LH!"

I wholeheartedly agree. DTFW has a much better record and would be my pick. But then again, I don't know the politics within DT - no way of knowing who owes who what.