Comparing LH D3 to Plano and Arlington

Noob wrote:Keep in mind there is a huge drop in talent level in D3. The drop happens from the 8th place team which which should be in Arlington.   The 9th and 10th place team are Plano D 2 caliber team.  If you can't beat either SW or MU, save your QT fee and take the girls bowling or something.

Soccerdood wrote:Over the years have heard discussions about how Plano and Arlington teams compare to LH D3. I pulled some data for the remaining 5 D3 teams to see how they did against Plano and Arlington teams during the last year. Based on these results, the teams that enter D3 via QT this year should do pretty well in the league.


6^th    Sting West 2-0-0
7^th     Meja North – 0-0-1
8^th    Flash – 6-0-3
9^th    Solar – 1-1-3
10^th   Meja United – 1-1-2
 
All 5 D3 teams combined 10-2-9,  roughly a split and this includes some Arlington D2 and Plano D2 teams.
 
All 5 D3 against top 6 Plano teams 0-0-3
 
All 5 D3 against Plano D1 teams (19 teams) 5-1-5
 
All 5 D3 against Arlington (D1 and D2 teams) 4-1-3

Sting West – 6th place
6/15/2013	ABILENE UNITED FC ABILENE UNITED 00 G (TXN)	6-0
5/18/2013	DALLAS TEXANS 00G WHITE DALLAS (TXN)	2-0
Abilene – Arlington 2nd
Dallas Texans White – Plano D1 16th
Meja North – 7th place
3/17/2013	LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 00 GIRLS KEEGAN (TXN)	0-2
Liverpool – Arlington D2 1st in 99 division
Flash – 8th place
5/19/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	1-5
5/19/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	2-0
1/20/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	MELISSA SC (TXN)	2-0
9/2/2012	FWFC 2000 GIRLS WHITE (TXN)	0-1
9/2/2012	DALLAS PUMAS PREMIER FC 00GC (TXN)	1-3
9/1/2012	GUNNERS 00G (TXN)	2-1
Fever - Plano D1 5th
International – Arlington 6th
Genesis – Plano D1 12th
Melissa – Plano D2 2nd
FWFC White – Arlington 1st
Pumas – Arlington D2 1st
Gunners – Plano D1 8th
Solar Chelsea White – 9th place
5/19/2013	ARSENAL '00G (TXN)	2-2
5/18/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	0-4
11/10/2012	AFC 00 RED (TXN)	2-0
11/10/2012	CYCLONES GST 00 (TXN)	0-1
11/9/2012	AFC 00 BLACK (TXN)	1-4
Arsenal – Arlington 5th
Fever – Plano D1 5th
AFC Red – Plano D1 19th
Cyclones – Arlington 3rd
AFC Black – Plano D1 6th
Meja United – 10th place
5/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	1-1
1/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	0-2
8/11/2012	US ELITE FC 00' GIRLS (MORGAN) (TXN)	2-4
Lightning – Plano D1 17th
US Elite – Plano D1 13th

Packrabbit wrote:

Soccerdood wrote:Over the years have heard discussions about how Plano and Arlington teams compare to LH D3. I pulled some data for the remaining 5 D3 teams to see how they did against Plano and Arlington teams during the last year. Based on these results, the teams that enter D3 via QT this year should do pretty well in the league.


6^th    Sting West 2-0-0
7^th     Meja North – 0-0-1
8^th    Flash – 6-0-3
9^th    Solar – 1-1-3
10^th   Meja United – 1-1-2
 
All 5 D3 teams combined 10-2-9,  roughly a split and this includes some Arlington D2 and Plano D2 teams.
 
All 5 D3 against top 6 Plano teams 0-0-3
 
All 5 D3 against Plano D1 teams (19 teams) 5-1-5
 
All 5 D3 against Arlington (D1 and D2 teams) 4-1-3

Sting West – 6th place
6/15/2013	ABILENE UNITED FC ABILENE UNITED 00 G (TXN)	6-0
5/18/2013	DALLAS TEXANS 00G WHITE DALLAS (TXN)	2-0
Abilene – Arlington 2nd
Dallas Texans White – Plano D1 16th
Meja North – 7th place
3/17/2013	LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 00 GIRLS KEEGAN (TXN)	0-2
Liverpool – Arlington D2 1st in 99 division
Flash – 8th place
5/19/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	1-5
5/19/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	2-0
1/20/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	MELISSA SC (TXN)	2-0
9/2/2012	FWFC 2000 GIRLS WHITE (TXN)	0-1
9/2/2012	DALLAS PUMAS PREMIER FC 00GC (TXN)	1-3
9/1/2012	GUNNERS 00G (TXN)	2-1
Fever - Plano D1 5th
International – Arlington 6th
Genesis – Plano D1 12th
Melissa – Plano D2 2nd
FWFC White – Arlington 1st
Pumas – Arlington D2 1st
Gunners – Plano D1 8th
Solar Chelsea White – 9th place
5/19/2013	ARSENAL '00G (TXN)	2-2
5/18/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	0-4
11/10/2012	AFC 00 RED (TXN)	2-0
11/10/2012	CYCLONES GST 00 (TXN)	0-1
11/9/2012	AFC 00 BLACK (TXN)	1-4
Arsenal – Arlington 5th
Fever – Plano D1 5th
AFC Red – Plano D1 19th
Cyclones – Arlington 3rd
AFC Black – Plano D1 6th
Meja United – 10th place
5/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	1-1
1/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	0-2
8/11/2012	US ELITE FC 00' GIRLS (MORGAN) (TXN)	2-4
Lightning – Plano D1 17th
US Elite – Plano D1 13th

The above D3 teams had already gone through a pretty tough season against very tough, skilled and physical competition, so I don't feel these single games are particularly indicative of their talent a year ago for a variety of reasons.  

I assume the point of the above exercise was to show that these non-LH teams would have done better last year than those selected LH teams, so the question in my feeble mind is  how would they have done against the top 5 D3 teams-- TWICE, would these teams be unscathed? So get your prediction caps!  
vs Feet, SG, Mustangs, Sting F and DTN X 2

Lightning
Fever
Abilene
DT-White
Pumas
FWFC
Genesis
International
Melissa
Gunners

Do share!!




So the goal is to find 3 teams that can win a combined 5 games out of 60?

Give me FWFC, Fever, and anyone else

Honcho47 wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:

Soccerdood wrote:Over the years have heard discussions about how Plano and Arlington teams compare to LH D3. I pulled some data for the remaining 5 D3 teams to see how they did against Plano and Arlington teams during the last year. Based on these results, the teams that enter D3 via QT this year should do pretty well in the league.


6^th    Sting West 2-0-0
7^th     Meja North – 0-0-1
8^th    Flash – 6-0-3
9^th    Solar – 1-1-3
10^th   Meja United – 1-1-2
 
All 5 D3 teams combined 10-2-9,  roughly a split and this includes some Arlington D2 and Plano D2 teams.
 
All 5 D3 against top 6 Plano teams 0-0-3
 
All 5 D3 against Plano D1 teams (19 teams) 5-1-5
 
All 5 D3 against Arlington (D1 and D2 teams) 4-1-3

Sting West – 6th place
6/15/2013	ABILENE UNITED FC ABILENE UNITED 00 G (TXN)	6-0
5/18/2013	DALLAS TEXANS 00G WHITE DALLAS (TXN)	2-0
Abilene – Arlington 2nd
Dallas Texans White – Plano D1 16th
Meja North – 7th place
3/17/2013	LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 00 GIRLS KEEGAN (TXN)	0-2
Liverpool – Arlington D2 1st in 99 division
Flash – 8th place
5/19/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	1-5
5/19/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	2-0
1/20/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	MELISSA SC (TXN)	2-0
9/2/2012	FWFC 2000 GIRLS WHITE (TXN)	0-1
9/2/2012	DALLAS PUMAS PREMIER FC 00GC (TXN)	1-3
9/1/2012	GUNNERS 00G (TXN)	2-1
Fever - Plano D1 5th
International – Arlington 6th
Genesis – Plano D1 12th
Melissa – Plano D2 2nd
FWFC White – Arlington 1st
Pumas – Arlington D2 1st
Gunners – Plano D1 8th
Solar Chelsea White – 9th place
5/19/2013	ARSENAL '00G (TXN)	2-2
5/18/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	0-4
11/10/2012	AFC 00 RED (TXN)	2-0
11/10/2012	CYCLONES GST 00 (TXN)	0-1
11/9/2012	AFC 00 BLACK (TXN)	1-4
Arsenal – Arlington 5th
Fever – Plano D1 5th
AFC Red – Plano D1 19th
Cyclones – Arlington 3rd
AFC Black – Plano D1 6th
Meja United – 10th place
5/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	1-1
1/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	0-2
8/11/2012	US ELITE FC 00' GIRLS (MORGAN) (TXN)	2-4
Lightning – Plano D1 17th
US Elite – Plano D1 13th

The above D3 teams had already gone through a pretty tough season against very tough, skilled and physical competition, so I don't feel these single games are particularly indicative of their talent a year ago for a variety of reasons.  

I assume the point of the above exercise was to show that these non-LH teams would have done better last year than those selected LH teams, so the question in my feeble mind is  how would they have done against the top 5 D3 teams-- TWICE, would these teams be unscathed? So get your prediction caps!  
vs Feet, SG, Mustangs, Sting F and DTN X 2

Lightning
Fever
Abilene
DT-White
Pumas
FWFC
Genesis
International
Melissa
Gunners

Do share!!




So the goal is to find 3 teams that can win a combined 5 games out of 60?

Give me FWFC, Fever, and anyone else


I agree with your POINT, but wouldn't it be out of 30 (3 teams by 10 games)?  My guess is that Honcho is right, but would three of them have 9 Ws out of 30??  Doubt it.

The reason I ask about 9...Chalking up Ws (not ties) would be the tough part.  If you want the litmus test, look at SWW...the #6 team...SWW counted 3 W in 10 games against the top 5, so it you were going to be top half, you had to be at least that good.  (And I think both Fever and FWFC would have been in the running for a top 5 spot in the league)...It is just nearly impossible to go on a prolonged run against the top of the league, so fewer than 3 would probably put them in the bottom half of the league which kinda goes to the argument.

Also, anyone who thinks they will easily walk past a SW or Flash or MU in league will be disappointed leaving the field.  SW was killed by a GK injury early in fall, and Flash played 1 goal games against a lot of teams.  The records are sometimes deceptive.  One thing that impressed me about Meja was that they played hard until the final whistle.  The score didn't seem to matter to them.

While I agree that the talent overall was pretty similar amongst many of the teams, injuries, depth and grit are what tipped the scales in quite a few games.

midfieldersdad wrote:I'd like to counter the point about ECNL diluting the talent pool. 180 girls are the maximum allowed players in any given division in LHGCL in the 00 age group. Many of the girls have played on different teams within the league in different division some times moving up or down. ECNL players aren't all leaving, don't forget about dual rosters, players beyond the 16th seat on the bench may prefer to dual roster with a sister team


Perhaps the 00's will be the 1st group where this doesn't happen.  But I doubt it.
Will all of the ECNL caliber players leave? No, but the ones that do stay are so spread out, that the overall level of competition really falls off. Especially in D1. And it trickles down from there.

KnKsDad wrote:This newbie agrees with the sentiments expressed by Noob and Honcho above. In addition to FWFC and Fever, I would add Sporting, WF Express, Avalanche, Texans FTW, AFC Black  and probably even FCD Red. Sorry if I left anyone out.
 
On a related point, it's hard to argue against those who are left standing after going through QT, but what about those who get in by some other means and then through their demonstrated performance show that they do not belong? If you get in on a basis other than QT then you should need to prove you belong or have to requalify, regardless of the spaces created due to ECNL. I would make the case that despite the fact that there are 5 spots already open due to the bump up stemming from ECNL, some or all of the remaining D3 teams should still have to requalify if you truly want to reward the best teams in NTX. Wouldn't that have been the case anyway, if it wasn't the ECNL year? I know there is a system in place, but since it's their league they can run it how they want and make it happen and this could be the year due to the ECNL thing already taking place.

Good point for at least the bottom 2 teams.  Galaxy was 1-1-16 in LH play this year - outscored 60-10.  Over the last 2 seasons Solar White was 2-5-29 in LH play - outscored 77-13 (both wins were against Galaxy).

Honcho47 wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:

Soccerdood wrote:Over the years have heard discussions about how Plano and Arlington teams compare to LH D3. I pulled some data for the remaining 5 D3 teams to see how they did against Plano and Arlington teams during the last year. Based on these results, the teams that enter D3 via QT this year should do pretty well in the league.


6^th    Sting West 2-0-0
7^th     Meja North – 0-0-1
8^th    Flash – 6-0-3
9^th    Solar – 1-1-3
10^th   Meja United – 1-1-2
 
All 5 D3 teams combined 10-2-9,  roughly a split and this includes some Arlington D2 and Plano D2 teams.
 
All 5 D3 against top 6 Plano teams 0-0-3
 
All 5 D3 against Plano D1 teams (19 teams) 5-1-5
 
All 5 D3 against Arlington (D1 and D2 teams) 4-1-3

Sting West – 6th place
6/15/2013	ABILENE UNITED FC ABILENE UNITED 00 G (TXN)	6-0
5/18/2013	DALLAS TEXANS 00G WHITE DALLAS (TXN)	2-0
Abilene – Arlington 2nd
Dallas Texans White – Plano D1 16th
Meja North – 7th place
3/17/2013	LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 00 GIRLS KEEGAN (TXN)	0-2
Liverpool – Arlington D2 1st in 99 division
Flash – 8th place
5/19/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	1-5
5/19/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	INTERNATIONAL FC 00G (TXN)	2-0
1/20/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	GENESIS ELITE FC '00 (TXN)	1-0
1/19/2013	MELISSA SC (TXN)	2-0
9/2/2012	FWFC 2000 GIRLS WHITE (TXN)	0-1
9/2/2012	DALLAS PUMAS PREMIER FC 00GC (TXN)	1-3
9/1/2012	GUNNERS 00G (TXN)	2-1
Fever - Plano D1 5th
International – Arlington 6th
Genesis – Plano D1 12th
Melissa – Plano D2 2nd
FWFC White – Arlington 1st
Pumas – Arlington D2 1st
Gunners – Plano D1 8th
Solar Chelsea White – 9th place
5/19/2013	ARSENAL '00G (TXN)	2-2
5/18/2013	FEVER UNITED 00G (TXN)	0-4
11/10/2012	AFC 00 RED (TXN)	2-0
11/10/2012	CYCLONES GST 00 (TXN)	0-1
11/9/2012	AFC 00 BLACK (TXN)	1-4
Arsenal – Arlington 5th
Fever – Plano D1 5th
AFC Red – Plano D1 19th
Cyclones – Arlington 3rd
AFC Black – Plano D1 6th
Meja United – 10th place
5/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	3-0
5/18/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	1-1
1/19/2013	TEXAS LIGHTNING 00G VAN ZANDT (TXN)	0-2
8/11/2012	US ELITE FC 00' GIRLS (MORGAN) (TXN)	2-4
Lightning – Plano D1 17th
US Elite – Plano D1 13th

The above D3 teams had already gone through a pretty tough season against very tough, skilled and physical competition, so I don't feel these single games are particularly indicative of their talent a year ago for a variety of reasons.  

I assume the point of the above exercise was to show that these non-LH teams would have done better last year than those selected LH teams, so the question in my feeble mind is  how would they have done against the top 5 D3 teams-- TWICE, would these teams be unscathed? So get your prediction caps!  
vs Feet, SG, Mustangs, Sting F and DTN X 2

Lightning
Fever
Abilene
DT-White
Pumas
FWFC
Genesis
International
Melissa
Gunners

Do share!!




So the goal is to find 3 teams that can win a combined 5 games out of 60?

Give me FWFC, Fever, and anyone else


IMO, FWFC is best of the teams mentioned above and I believe they will qualify this season.  I personally like the way they play the game, and they have some great athletes. Most of all, I like how they "punch above their weight" in tournaments and play non- Plano and Arlington games, ie they play competition that they may beat them. 

That said, I also beleive they woukd have struggled last season in D3. FWFC tied a injury ridden, severely short handed Solar Gold team, and were beaten by the DFeeters 3-0. I also beleive, given their talent, they would have been a better team @ end of season bc of the competition. 

For those of you that hadnt watch them play, Sting West was not the same team this spring it was in the fall. MU, who had an extremely difficult season, is the aberration that received a lot of talk here; although the team was deficient at key positions from start of the season, that team hussled from whistle to whistle, regardless of score. Solar W ("W" standing for wounded all season) got better as they got healthy. 

My point is not to discount any non-LH teams, but I take issue w/ those that call out the weaker D3 teams and claim they would have done better, but chose to play in tournaments without above PPL/Arl competition. i suggest those teams' supporters take the time to call up a few of the LY's top 5 D3 teams and ask for a scrimmage; then play those teams w/o 2,3 or 4 starters or better, play them with a "drafted" back-up GK. Then and only then should you beat your chest and throw peanuts into the arena.