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RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Not sure RASE needs any help raising their ranking

RASE is the SRSA of the 04 division. They dont need help with rankings. Playing boys will make them that much better.

go99 wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Not sure RASE needs any help raising their ranking

No doubt Rase is great, but I just thought it was a little pompus of you to come on here and tell DTS where they need to play to keep their "ranking" up, yet Rase is off playing boys. LH the first year takes 20 teams in DI.....im sure DTS will be fine! And Wingnut, dont get to cocky on top, things have a tendancy to change...just ask Rowdies 01, SRSA 02... and I could go on. These teams are still good, but not Super like in Academy. And LP Rase has is it even harder since they dont have ECNL....it will change.

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Not sure RASE needs any help raising their ranking

No doubt Rase is great, but I just thought it was a little pompus of you to come on here and tell DTS where they need to play to keep their "ranking" up, yet Rase is off playing boys. LH the first year takes 20 teams in DI.....im sure DTS will be fine! And Wingnut, dont get to cocky on top, things have a tendancy to change...just ask Rowdies 01, SRSA 02... and I could go on. These teams are still good, but  not Super like in Academy. And LP Rase has is it even harder since they dont have ECNL....it will change.

Again, maybe in year 2017 ECNL will be an issue.

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Not sure RASE needs any help raising their ranking

No doubt Rase is great, but I just thought it was a little pompus of you to come on here and tell DTS where they need to play to keep their "ranking" up, yet Rase is off playing boys. LH the first year takes 20 teams in DI.....im sure DTS will be fine! And Wingnut, dont get to cocky on top, things have a tendancy to change...just ask Rowdies 01, SRSA 02... and I could go on. These teams are still good, but  not Super like in Academy. And LP Rase has is it even harder since they dont have ECNL....it will change.

Pompus? But I am known for my monk like humility. First I didn't say where they need to play. I said if they spend another season playing out in BFE against mid level teams they will drop in the ranking for qualifying. You can only claim to be as good or better than the top teams for so long. I am a big far of the DTS coach from his 03 team so expect no less from this group. In my opinion will only help strengthen them but I am not the coach. He has to do what he feels is best for his team and group of parents. Oh but as far as ECNL goes, DTS will take a big hit when hassan comes calling. Last time I checked there was no ECNL in the south either. You act as if only clubs out of the ECNL take a hit. Guess what? They take all of the best talent they can get their hands on so everyone takes a hit.

The Real Decoy wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Not sure RASE needs any help raising their ranking

No doubt Rase is great, but I just thought it was a little pompus of you to come on here and tell DTS where they need to play to keep their "ranking" up, yet Rase is off playing boys. LH the first year takes 20 teams in DI.....im sure DTS will be fine! And Wingnut, dont get to cocky on top, things have a tendancy to change...just ask Rowdies 01, SRSA 02... and I could go on. These teams are still good, but  not Super like in Academy. And LP Rase has is it even harder since they dont have ECNL....it will change.

Again, maybe in year 2017 ECNL will be an issue.

If true, then why did RASE 05 jump ship with Pulpy?? They didn't need to worry until 2018, right?

Could it be they followed the coach instead of ECNL dream?  Besides if they were that concerned about ECNL why did they wait until pupl left? They could have gone to Solar without him at any given time. Last time I checked Solar is not refusing to take players in.

I would tend to agree with you, but its just too easy to rag on MS. ;-)

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Not sure RASE needs any help raising their ranking

No doubt Rase is great, but I just thought it was a little pompus of you to come on here and tell DTS where they need to play to keep their "ranking" up, yet Rase is off playing boys. LH the first year takes 20 teams in DI.....im sure DTS will be fine! And Wingnut, dont get to cocky on top, things have a tendancy to change...just ask Rowdies 01, SRSA 02... and I could go on. These teams are still good, but  not Super like in Academy. And LP Rase has is it even harder since they dont have ECNL....it will change.

How is complimenting a team my daughter doesn't play on cocky?

Because CP is an outstanding coach. Hopefully it wasn't because of the ECNL thing - surely they know it doesn't apply to them for a very long time.

WingNut wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Not sure RASE needs any help raising their ranking

No doubt Rase is great, but I just thought it was a little pompus of you to come on here and tell DTS where they need to play to keep their "ranking" up, yet Rase is off playing boys. LH the first year takes 20 teams in DI.....im sure DTS will be fine! And Wingnut, dont get to cocky on top, things have a tendancy to change...just ask Rowdies 01, SRSA 02... and I could go on. These teams are still good, but  not Super like in Academy. And LP Rase has is it even harder since they dont have ECNL....it will change.

How is complimenting a team my daughter doesn't play on cocky?

My bad. I forgot, Dalglish parent. Awesome team also, but has a totally different issue being the #2 team at a club. Been there done that!

yep they should all quit and go to teams that are worse than the one they were on but will be called the #1 team.

go99 wrote:yep they should all quit and go to teams that are worse than the one they were on but will be called the #1 team.

I never said they should leave, however It does suck to be on the #2 team of a club and the top team always gets the first crack at any talent coming in and the 2nd team gets what is filtered down. The 2nd team wont get a shot at getting the clubs best players unless the team goes to a differant club and becomes the #1 team for that club. Daglish is probably the 2nd or at worst the 3rd best 04 team and as a team they will never have a chance or opportunity to be #1 unless they leave. It happens all the time at differant clubs....even more difficult to advance when both teams are coached by same coach. LW has done an awesome job with both these teams and he is a great coach and most of these kids on either team would probably end up better players in the long run by staying with him, but the big question is: Will the parents be able to see past being #1 and just focus on their kids getting better? History says they wont, we will see!

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Why would they play against Boys teams where there are plenty of great girls team to play? Doesn't do anything for the boys teams and the girls wind up getting hurt. Does not make sense except in the rare case of an SRSA 03.

lol I saw a boys team go thru that. Kids from the 2nd team started to leave going to team not as good. Then there were issue of practices and coaching not being as good were they went. In the end what matters is the coaching and that the kid is getting better. But you are right, what often ends up mattering is that the parents ego can say I am on the top team. Seems like a tight group of parents so hopefully they can keep it together. They will go in as one of the top teams in classic league and continue to excel

RunsLikeWind wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Why would they play against Boys teams where there are plenty of great girls team to play?  Doesn't do anything for the boys teams and the girls wind up getting hurt.  Does not make sense except in the rare case of an SRSA 03.

We will see how it goes but I really doubt the big mean ol boys will hurt our poor weak little rase girls. Personally I think RASE fighting for survival will do them some good. We will either see a RASE that improves or one that loses alot. As far as doing nothing for the boys I will say they will bring their top game and work hard or they will be going home full of disappointment.

I don't have a problem with RASE playing boys. They need to play competition, and without the option of playing '03s, boys seems like the logical route.

I worry about txsoccer.net however. Without the most talked about team in the most talked about group, I worry that RASE disappearing from the girls ranks will cause lack of interest in the site and shut the forums down  Can I buy stock in txsoccer.info?

go99 wrote:

RunsLikeWind wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Why would they play against Boys teams where there are plenty of great girls team to play?  Doesn't do anything for the boys teams and the girls wind up getting hurt.  Does not make sense except in the rare case of an SRSA 03.

We will see how it goes but I really doubt the big mean ol boys will hurt our poor weak little rase girls.  Personally I think RASE fighting for survival will do them some good.  We will either see a RASE that improves or one that loses alot.  As far as doing nothing for the boys I will say they will bring their top game and work hard or they will be going home full of disappointment.

The point is it doesn't help the boys at all and most boys teams I know don't like playing girls past six years old.  If they win, (big deal, it was just girls), if the girls give them a game, ( what the heck happened?).  I don't see the need for girls to try and prove something by playing boys, but such is life.  The 04 girls division has some great teams that can challenge RASE and give them good games.  

From my experience the girls teams rarely need to play boys to get a good game, but is more of an EGO thing.  The rare exception is SRSA that really did need to challenge with boys to get a game.

RunsLikeWind wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Why would they play against Boys teams where there are plenty of great girls team to play?  Doesn't do anything for the boys teams and the girls wind up getting hurt.  Does not make sense except in the rare case of an SRSA 03.

If the competition in the boys league is such that they will play several close (+/- 2 goal differential) games, and maybe even lose a few games, that is better for the team's development than having 1 or 2 close games against other girls teams, and then a bunch of blowouts in all of their other games.

Solar Red '01, Texans '02, and SRSA '03 all played boys in leagues/tournaments at U10, and I don't think you can argue with the success of any of those teams.

Infuriates the parents of all of the other girls teams in the age group who can't brag around the water cooler about their game against the "top dog". Infuriates the parents of any boys team that they beat. Otherwise, if the girls are competitive and can handle it, it's a good thing for their development as players.

I don't even have a son, but I have always been against the idea of girls playing in boys' leagues. If they want to call it a co-ed league, then that would be fine. Otherwise, it's a complete misrepresentation of what a company (SDL) is selling. As others have mentioned, playing against girls is a "no win" situation for the boys' teams. If they win, it's because the "should have" against a team of girls. If they lose, then wow - what an embarrassment to get beaten by a bunch of girls. I've watched way too many of these matchups to know that boys often don't go 100% against their female counterparts in contact situations. It's generally ingrained in boys at an early age not to hurt girls... unless it's their sisters, of course.

Eventually, at around age 12-13, the boys run off and leave the girls competitively. Testosterone ultimately kicks in and they are both faster and stronger. At a young age, girls have the advantage in that their development tends to outpace the boys. So if leagues are going to let girls' teams take advantage of this window during which the females have the upper hand, why not let the boys' teams into the girls' leagues as they mature and the balance has shifted? Fair is fair.

RunsLikeWind wrote:

go99 wrote:

RunsLikeWind wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Why would they play against Boys teams where there are plenty of great girls team to play?  Doesn't do anything for the boys teams and the girls wind up getting hurt.  Does not make sense except in the rare case of an SRSA 03.

We will see how it goes but I really doubt the big mean ol boys will hurt our poor weak little rase girls.  Personally I think RASE fighting for survival will do them some good.  We will either see a RASE that improves or one that loses alot.  As far as doing nothing for the boys I will say they will bring their top game and work hard or they will be going home full of disappointment.

The point is it doesn't help the boys at all and most boys teams I know don't like playing girls past six years old.  If they win, (big deal, it was just girls), if the girls give them a game, ( what the heck happened?).  I don't see the need for girls to try and prove something by playing boys, but such is life.  The 04 girls division has some great teams that can challenge RASE and give them good games.  

From my experience the girls teams rarely need to play boys to get a good game, but is more of an EGO thing.  The rare exception is SRSA that really did need to challenge with boys to get a game.

Name them? From my understanding, RASE beat the number #2 ranked team back then 11-0.

No dog in this fight at all.  The last comment may be completely accurate but just reads kinda poorly. Don't recall dominant older age group teams posting much at this age like the 04 team does. It's kinda weird.

JustaSport wrote:I don't even have a son, but I have always been against the idea of girls playing in boys' leagues.  If they want to call it a co-ed league, then that would be fine.  Otherwise, it's a complete misrepresentation of what a company (SDL) is selling.  As others have mentioned, playing against girls is a "no win" situation for the boys' teams.  If they win, it's because the "should have" against a team of girls.  If they lose, then wow - what an embarrassment to get beaten by a bunch of girls.  I've watched way too many of these matchups to know that boys often don't go 100% against their female counterparts in contact situations.  It's generally ingrained in boys at an early age not to hurt girls... unless it's their sisters, of course.

Eventually, at around age 12-13, the boys run off and leave the girls competitively. Testosterone ultimately kicks in and they are both faster and stronger.  At a young age, girls have the advantage in that their development tends to outpace the boys.  So if leagues are going to let girls' teams take advantage of this window during which the females have the upper hand, why not let the boys' teams into the girls' leagues as they mature and the balance has shifted?  Fair is fair.

Our team of girls has played several tournaments vs boys and the boys have not let up, they gave our girls everything they had and made for a very competitive game for both teams.

4DaLuvofTheGM wrote:

RunsLikeWind wrote:

go99 wrote:

RunsLikeWind wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

go99 wrote:don't know who is playing where but it will be important for DTS to play in the top leagues.  If they spend the next 2 seasons playing mid level teams in no mans land they will find themselves dropping down the rankings when it comes qualifying.  DTS, scott, LFS, spirit, and dalglish will all have to distinguish themselves from the pack.

I thought I heard that Rase and Daglish were playing against boys? I cant imagine playing boys helping with rankings either!

Why would they play against Boys teams where there are plenty of great girls team to play?  Doesn't do anything for the boys teams and the girls wind up getting hurt.  Does not make sense except in the rare case of an SRSA 03.

We will see how it goes but I really doubt the big mean ol boys will hurt our poor weak little rase girls.  Personally I think RASE fighting for survival will do them some good.  We will either see a RASE that improves or one that loses alot.  As far as doing nothing for the boys I will say they will bring their top game and work hard or they will be going home full of disappointment.

The point is it doesn't help the boys at all and most boys teams I know don't like playing girls past six years old.  If they win, (big deal, it was just girls), if the girls give them a game, ( what the heck happened?).  I don't see the need for girls to try and prove something by playing boys, but such is life.  The 04 girls division has some great teams that can challenge RASE and give them good games.  

From my experience the girls teams rarely need to play boys to get a good game, but is more of an EGO thing.  The rare exception is SRSA that really did need to challenge with boys to get a game.

Name them?  From my understanding, RASE beat the number #2 ranked team back then 11-0.

Only 3 teams can give them a decent game, one which is coached by same LP coach. Dalglish, LFS, DTS.

Not sure what game you are referring to, I don't recall Rase scores against any of the above teams in the last year except DTS almost a full year ago. That score was 4-1 not 11-0.

Its_a_marathon wrote:

JustaSport wrote:I don't even have a son, but I have always been against the idea of girls playing in boys' leagues.  If they want to call it a co-ed league, then that would be fine.  Otherwise, it's a complete misrepresentation of what a company (SDL) is selling.  As others have mentioned, playing against girls is a "no win" situation for the boys' teams.  If they win, it's because the "should have" against a team of girls.  If they lose, then wow - what an embarrassment to get beaten by a bunch of girls.  I've watched way too many of these matchups to know that boys often don't go 100% against their female counterparts in contact situations.  It's generally ingrained in boys at an early age not to hurt girls... unless it's their sisters, of course.

Eventually, at around age 12-13, the boys run off and leave the girls competitively. Testosterone ultimately kicks in and they are both faster and stronger.  At a young age, girls have the advantage in that their development tends to outpace the boys.  So if leagues are going to let girls' teams take advantage of this window during which the females have the upper hand, why not let the boys' teams into the girls' leagues as they mature and the balance has shifted?  Fair is fair.

Our team of girls has played several tournaments vs boys and the boys have not let up, they gave our girls everything they had and made for a very competitive game for both teams.

That may be your perception as a parent of a girl. I wonder what was said on the sideline by the boys' coaches during these matches. I'll bet it was statements like "you guys need to quit pulling up against these girls and be more physical!" And I'll bet the statements were similar in the car rides home by the boys' parents. It's in the eye of the beholder.

How about this: If a girls' team is so great, then perhaps they should make a commitment to ALWAYS play against male competition, not just when it suits the ego of the coaches and/or parents. How many of the once great girls' teams are playing in boys' tournaments at, say, U14? If it's really about development and playing better competition (and they don't mind losing by double digits), I would love to see them give it a try.

just as when playing the 03's if our girls can go into the weekend and not waste the boys time and make it a competative game then thats enough for me. Now I know when SRSA played the top 03 boys team it was not that competative of a game. There were no complaints from the boys in fact they were very complimentery of the girls and thought they played great soccer. And actually better than alot of the boys teams they had run over. Those kind of complaint usually come from parents and boys who worry about losing and feel a need to build in an excuse. The top level teams go in expecting to win every game and they don't care what sex you are. And I am sure the boys teams that lost to SRSA looked at it as if hey some of you guys lost to them too. In a few years the boys will outpace the girls and even at this age you are starting to see a speed difference But right now a very good girls team can be competative