Best way to keep cool in the heat?

footbull wrote:It's a small thing, but our boys love the round up sprayer full of ice water.  Spraying down the head and neck on every break helps keep them from over-heating.

You actually have to be careful putting cold water over the scalp. A high percentage of heat escapes from the scalp and putting cold water over it shrinks the pores for a time and reduces the heat dissipation from that area. It's actually more effective to hold ice over the wrist for 30 seconds and it doesn't psychologically fool you that you're not as thirsty because initially you still feel warm. Additionally, especially with young kids, they waste so much water doing this they run out of water early, putting it over their heads, down their necks, their shin-guards, etc.

What is more dangerous is seeing kids turn up to a game or 90 minute practice with one bottle of Gatorade. Not only does it temporarily draw water from the vital organs to dilute it in your stomach. Gatorade is not designed to be the only thing you drink during a workout or game. The NFL, NBA, etc. water that stuff down like crazy.

the7wolf wrote:

footbull wrote:It's a small thing, but our boys love the round up sprayer full of ice water.  Spraying down the head and neck on every break helps keep them from over-heating.

You actually have to be careful putting cold water over the scalp. A high percentage of heat escapes from the scalp and putting cold water over it shrinks the pores for a time and reduces the heat dissipation from that area. It's actually more effective to hold ice over the wrist for 30 seconds and it doesn't psychologically fool you that you're not as thirsty because initially you still feel warm. Additionally, especially with young kids, they waste so much water doing this they run out of water early, putting it over their heads, down their necks, their shin-guards, etc.

 
What is more dangerous is seeing kids turn up to a game or 90 minute practice with one bottle of Gatorade. Not only does it temporarily draw water from the vital organs to dilute it in your stomach. Gatorade is not designed to be the only thing you drink during a workout or game. The NFL, NBA, etc. water that stuff down like crazy.

Good stuff for this weekend.

midfieldersdad wrote:Sadly my DD confirmed a former teammate has passed, a 97. My deepest condolences to the family.

This is really disturbing and sad to hear(read). Truly a parents worst nightmare. Thoughts and prayers go out to the family.

Wouldn't we have heard about this in the news?  I heard that indeed at girl died but it wasn't at practice, it was at home and it was the result of a concussion from about a month ago.  Could be two separate incidents but that would be very coincidental.  

Just curious how definite the posters are in how the girl passed?

mommabear1 wrote:Wouldn't we have heard about this in the news?  I heard that indeed at girl died but it wasn't at practice, it was at home and it was the result of a concussion from about a month ago.  Could be two separate incidents but that would be very coincidental.  

Just curious how definite the posters are in how the girl passed?

I have no information about what actually happened ( whether it was at practice, heat related, home, concussion related etc...) I can only confirm that a '97 player died. My daughter checked with a friend of hers that was on the team with the girl... many of her team mates have been twittering about it, but no details outside of that.

But you are correct mommabear, highly unlikely there would be two incidents like this so close together, and I would have expected this to be a huge news story had it been heat-related and at a practice.

When we travel for tournaments, we usually follow this schedule - Probably overkill for games, but multiple games over consecutive days require some specialization:

· Upon waking, evaluate your hydration status using the urine color chart below.
The most reliable time to check your urine color is in the morning, right after
you wake up. This will tell you if you hydrated well the day before. If you
are properly hydrated, your urine will be #3 or lighter…your goal is #1!
· Drink at least 8oz of water with breakfast, 16oz if your urine was #4 on the
chart or darker.
· Continue drinking water throughout the day to reach or maintain proper
hydration.
· Drink 12oz-16oz of water approximately 30 minutes before getting to the field.


During the game - we have snacks before, halftime, after - (trust me, these players need the protein/carbs and electrolytes). We have very rigid nutritional guidelines for tournaments.

I can mail anyone what we have if interested - it's not something I'd even think of doing unless I didn't trust the sources providing it (I'm more of the 'which happy meal and soda do you want' type of guy).

If interested - feel free to send me a mail at solarsoccer00g@gmail.com - I have an agenda doc we manipulate for tournaments that can be used for any team for any schedule/tournament.

mommabear1 wrote:Wouldn't we have heard about this in the news?  I heard that indeed at girl died but it wasn't at practice, it was at home and it was the result of a concussion from about a month ago.  Could be two separate incidents but that would be very coincidental.  

Just curious how definite the posters are in how the girl passed?

I agree. This is an awfully sad rumor, and a few have even used it to make a harsh point instead of expressing sadness. Perhaps the information should be confirmed instead of turning a possible death of a child into a string of misinformation.

It's pretty easy to confirm that a young lady passed away within the last day by searching twitter. Question is how. Very sad and heartbreaking regardless.

Slakemoth wrote:

mommabear1 wrote:Wouldn't we have heard about this in the news?  I heard that indeed at girl died but it wasn't at practice, it was at home and it was the result of a concussion from about a month ago.  Could be two separate incidents but that would be very coincidental.  

Just curious how definite the posters are in how the girl passed?

I have no information about what actually happened ( whether it was at practice, heat related, home, concussion related etc...) I can only confirm that a '97 player died. My daughter checked with a friend of hers that was on the team with the girl... many of her team mates have been twittering about it, but no details outside of that.

But you are correct mommabear, highly unlikely there would be two incidents like this so close together, and I would have expected this to be a huge news story had it been heat-related and at a practice.

It was not a heat related injury.

We always try to bring a 10 gallon cooler of ice water that way we have enough water to fill up the the 1 gallon sprayer and there is plenty left over for the players to refill their water bottles, the coolers they keep their frogtogs etc. in and their own personal misters or sprayers. I also bring plenty of sqwincher zip packs ” supposed to be better than gatoraid and you just tear off the top add about 6 oz of cold water and drink doesn't fill them up as much and they can go back to drinking water afterwards" I also bring them sqwincher freeze pops, cools them off and puts electrolytes in them. Put them in a cooler with some dry ice and they will stay frozen for a couple of days just make sure it's the parents getting them out nothing hurts worse than a dry ice burn.

midfieldersdad wrote:

Slakemoth wrote:

mommabear1 wrote:Wouldn't we have heard about this in the news?  I heard that indeed at girl died but it wasn't at practice, it was at home and it was the result of a concussion from about a month ago.  Could be two separate incidents but that would be very coincidental.  

Just curious how definite the posters are in how the girl passed?

I have no information about what actually happened ( whether it was at practice, heat related, home, concussion related etc...) I can only confirm that a '97 player died. My daughter checked with a friend of hers that was on the team with the girl... many of her team mates have been twittering about it, but no details outside of that.

But you are correct mommabear, highly unlikely there would be two incidents like this so close together, and I would have expected this to be a huge news story had it been heat-related and at a practice.

It was not a heat related injury.

I know everyone monitoring the thread is wondering what's going on.  I have no affiliation, but was able to quickly find out through a twitter search this:  https://twitter.com/xbritneybabex4/status/363060509047672832/photo/1

Regardless of the cause, this thread is a great reminder of the consequence of dehydration and I am more aware of it than ever.  The advice captured within will be of personal use and I am very thankful for that.  If you pray, please do so for this family and friends who's lives will forever be changed.

Admin, if this in some way violates or creates a liability, please delete and send me a PM to let me know.

midfieldersdad wrote:

Slakemoth wrote:

mommabear1 wrote:Wouldn't we have heard about this in the news?  I heard that indeed at girl died but it wasn't at practice, it was at home and it was the result of a concussion from about a month ago.  Could be two separate incidents but that would be very coincidental.  

Just curious how definite the posters are in how the girl passed?

I have no information about what actually happened ( whether it was at practice, heat related, home, concussion related etc...) I can only confirm that a '97 player died. My daughter checked with a friend of hers that was on the team with the girl... many of her team mates have been twittering about it, but no details outside of that.

But you are correct mommabear, highly unlikely there would be two incidents like this so close together, and I would have expected this to be a huge news story had it been heat-related and at a practice.

It was not a heat related injury.

My information is the same (2nd hand, but from what I consider to be a very reliable source).  Her unfortunate and untimely passing was not heat related.  Prayers go out to her family, friends, and teammates.

Consistent with what mommabear1 and slakemoth said, if this was heat/practice related, it would have been all over the news.

However, none of that diminishes the importance of the information presented in this thread on hydration and keeping cool as we go into another very busy sports weekend in the heat of August in NTX.

Stay hydrated and stay safe everyone.

santos.l.halper wrote:.Teach them to look for signs of proper hydration (the easiest is the color of their #1 - sprite color is good, mountain dew not so much).

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ive heard many people base their hydration fact on weather or not their Pee is clear, ive even hear kids say my pee is clear, im hydrated. Now this is true to a certain extent..but we can't let that be the deciding answer for our kids who are out her playing soccer in this 110 degree weather every day. Most kids pee is clear 95% of the time and these kids aren't drinking water...Kids who are playing soccer in this intense heat, need to be drinking more water than they normally drink this time of year..Parents need to make sure of that too...not just look at the pee color...thats all i have on this..

I've been passed information that this may have been seizure related and not heat or concussion.
Having to let go of a child under any circumstances must be the hardest thing ever in life. My thoughts and hope for peace is with the family and friends during this tragic time.

50/50 wrote:I've been passed information that this may have been seizure related and not heat or concussion.
Having to let go of a child under any circumstances must be the hardest thing ever in life. My thoughts and hope for peace is with the family and friends during this tragic time.

My information is consistent with this, and further, that it was a long-term, pre-existing medical issue that was known to the girl and her family. Heat and/or concussion are both stress factors that could trigger/exacerbate seizures, but the information that I received did not give any indication that either were contributing factors in this unfortunate event.

Again, thoughts and prayers go out to the family, friends, and teammates during this trying time.

axlefoley wrote:

santos.l.halper wrote:.Teach them to look for signs of proper hydration (the easiest is the color of their #1 - sprite color is good, mountain dew not so much).

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ive heard many people base their hydration fact on weather or not their Pee is clear, ive even hear kids say my pee is clear, im hydrated.  Now this is true to a certain extent..but we can't let that be the deciding answer for our kids who are out her playing soccer in this 110 degree weather every day.  Most kids pee is clear 95% of the time and these kids aren't drinking water...Kids who are playing soccer in this intense heat, need to be drinking more water than they normally drink this time of year..Parents need to make sure of that too...not just look at the pee color...thats all i have on this..

Santos is giving good advice, and should not be ignored. Do what you want with your kid, but the largest construction companies in the world tell their workers to monitor urine flow during high energy work during all times of the year, especially in the summer months. It gets pretty hot on a roof or on a concrete pad. Construction managers and superintendents get fired over heat injuries.

Dark yellow or hot urine (or not going at all) can be a symptom of numerous illnesses, but to a relatively healthy individual doing high energy work in extreme heat,  its usually an early indicator of the body not receiving enough or drinking the wrong fluids. It is possible to overheat without being dehydrated. Can you have dark urine without dehydrating? Yes. Did anyone say a child is safe or a "deciding answer" when their urine is clear? Other than Axile, No.

They put a temperature gauge on your car; some models run hotter than others. In the end, its your choice whether or not to pay attention to it.

Hydration in this weather is about preparation and prevention- much, much more than just drinking more water.

Packrabbit wrote:

axlefoley wrote:

santos.l.halper wrote:.Teach them to look for signs of proper hydration (the easiest is the color of their #1 - sprite color is good, mountain dew not so much).

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ive heard many people base their hydration fact on weather or not their Pee is clear, ive even hear kids say my pee is clear, im hydrated.  Now this is true to a certain extent..but we can't let that be the deciding answer for our kids who are out her playing soccer in this 110 degree weather every day.  Most kids pee is clear 95% of the time and these kids aren't drinking water...Kids who are playing soccer in this intense heat, need to be drinking more water than they normally drink this time of year..Parents need to make sure of that too...not just look at the pee color...thats all i have on this..

Santos is giving good advice, and should not be ignored. Do what you want with your kid, but the largest construction companies in the world tell their workers to monitor urine flow during high energy work during all times of the year, especially in the summer months. It gets pretty hot on a roof or on a concrete pad. Construction managers and superintendents get fired over heat injuries.

Dark yellow or hot urine (or not going at all) can be a symptom of numerous illnesses, but to a relatively healthy individual doing high energy work in extreme heat,  its usually an early indicator of the body not receiving enough or drinking the wrong fluids. It is possible to overheat without being dehydrated. Can you have dark urine without dehydrating? Yes. Did anyone say a child is safe or a "deciding answer" when their urine is clear? Other than Axile, No.

They put a temperature gauge on your car; some models run hotter than others. In the end, its your choice whether or not to pay attention to it.

Hydration in this weather is about preparation and prevention- much, much more than just drinking more water.

thats what i am saying packrabbit, thanks for making it more clear for the readers...i guess i can be confusing sometimes....i just want to make sure we aren't basing hydration only on clear pee...because i know kids who play soccer that aren't drinking water based on clear pee....that can be disasterous once they hit practice field.

At the risk of getting a yellow card for excessive punnage, I think we are all on the same peeage.

Nearly every hydration guideline published (including USSF's) suggests this test. And I agree it is not a "safe harbor", but only a tool in your toolkit to make sure the kid is hydrated. Oh, and this applies to you and me too, not just to youth players.

Good luck to everyone, stay safe, stay healthy, and stay classy.