Is This The Same Brent Coralli?

OK, seriously, the guy was just an agent for a book. He wasn't doing anything below board with kids, there is no assault, nothing physical - he just gave the players access to the book. How many people on this board bet on sports, or play texas hold em with buddies for money - you are breaking the same laws. The guy wasn't the leader, he was just an agent that allowed players access to the book, which does get him a cut of what his players lose, but any idea that he was sitting on billions and bilking innocents is absurd. Players seek out these guys, not the other way around, and the money he makes is from the bets adults make on their own, not anything he was doing anything to make them bet.

Also, I guarantee you the people that were betting with him, are still doing it, just with someone else. I get that it is against the law, but my take is that it is an absurd law. In most of the world, you can walk right up to a site in a strip mall and make bets. You can do it in Grand Prarie, right now, but that is horses - which is a way dirter business then pro sports.

Also, he has been convicted, so if they were going to do any seizures, it would have already been done.

I really think this is a non-story as far as the soccer world goes. Obviously, this guy was doing things on the side that weren't completely above board, but on a larger scale, who cares. It wasn't effecting any of us - unless he owed you on your plays when they froze the book.

Whatever happened with this scumbag a couple years back when his house was raided and he had Rolex watches, jewelry and a significant amount of cash confiscated from offshore gambling issues. Can't seem to locate the article on the web anymore. Did money make all of that just go away.

Anybody see the irony in a lifelong grifter buying a club named Sting?  

97keepersdad wrote:Whatever happened with this scumbag a couple years back when his house was raided and he had Rolex watches, jewelry and a significant amount of cash confiscated from offshore gambling issues.  Can't seem to locate the article on the web anymore.  Did money make all of that just go away.

Oh no, not cash and jewelry.....isn't that supposed to be life in prison?

Unfortunately, as the article said, this type of crime doesn't carry stiff enough penalties. I don't think I would feel comfortable staying with a club in which this man is involved. As some have stated, how would you know if he has been laundering illicit gains through the club.

aTmAg wrote:As far as I know, Sting has not introduced a single aspect of gambling into their game plans or coaching strategy.  If they hadn't done it after all of this time when the CEO  was running a gambling ring, then I doubt  they will now that he had been caught.

Why would it be just gambling? When someone is willing to ignore laws/rule, codes of conduct, etc. it's not just one that would be "open to interpretation". And people in charge tend to surround themselves with like minded people.

Ever hear of "Tone at the top"?

JeffM wrote:

aTmAg wrote:As far as I know, Sting has not introduced a single aspect of gambling into their game plans or coaching strategy.  If they hadn't done it after all of this time when the CEO  was running a gambling ring, then I doubt  they will now that he had been caught.

Why would it be just gambling?  When someone is willing to ignore laws/rule, codes of conduct, etc. it's not just one that would be "open to interpretation".  And people in charge tend to surround themselves with like minded people.

Ever hear of "Tone at the top"?

So, using this logic, all of Solar is all corrupt as well, right? I mean, one of their top guys embezzled a dollar or two from them, therefore the coaches were in the know. TFC as well, questions arose there. Andromeda, etc etc.

jsullivan81 wrote:

JeffM wrote:

aTmAg wrote:As far as I know, Sting has not introduced a single aspect of gambling into their game plans or coaching strategy.  If they hadn't done it after all of this time when the CEO  was running a gambling ring, then I doubt  they will now that he had been caught.

Why would it be just gambling?  When someone is willing to ignore laws/rule, codes of conduct, etc. it's not just one that would be "open to interpretation".  And people in charge tend to surround themselves with like minded people.

Ever hear of "Tone at the top"?

So, using this logic, all of Solar is all corrupt as well, right? I mean, one of their top guys embezzled a dollar or two from them, therefore the coaches were in the know. TFC as well, questions arose there. Andromeda, etc etc.

Is the Solar culprit still part of the organization? No. Is SS still part of Andromeda? No. (Not familiar with TFC). BC is not going anywhere.

JeffM wrote:

jsullivan81 wrote:

JeffM wrote:

aTmAg wrote:As far as I know, Sting has not introduced a single aspect of gambling into their game plans or coaching strategy.  If they hadn't done it after all of this time when the CEO  was running a gambling ring, then I doubt  they will now that he had been caught.

Why would it be just gambling?  When someone is willing to ignore laws/rule, codes of conduct, etc. it's not just one that would be "open to interpretation".  And people in charge tend to surround themselves with like minded people.

Ever hear of "Tone at the top"?

So, using this logic, all of Solar is all corrupt as well, right? I mean, one of their top guys embezzled a dollar or two from them, therefore the coaches were in the know. TFC as well, questions arose there. Andromeda, etc etc.

Is the Solar culprit still part of the organization?  No.  Is SS still part of Andromeda? No.  (Not familiar with TFC).  BC is not going anywhere.

However you said, people at the top surround themselves with like people. As far as I know at Solar, the only one gone is the person that embezzled. But if he surrounded himself with like people as you mentioned, they are still there? Right?

If a person did the things that have been referred to both here and in the newspaper and that person further admitted to criminal wrongdoing or even was about to admit to criminal wrongdoing then that individual has the duty and responsibility to do the following: (1) resign his or her position(s) at the business, (2) resign from the board of directors, (3) vacate his or her offices, (4) apologize to all of the (VERY HARD WORKING) employees at the business, and (5) sell his or her interest in the business.

Hopefully if the information as represented here and in the newspaper are true then all of the above things have been done already or are in the process of being done.

Don't forget that each player is an asset to the business and one of the responsibilities of the coaches and management is to increase the value of those assets.

In a worst case situation it's possible if looked at by an attorney in a certain way each players contract with the business could be nullified. Each parent signed a contract with the business which may also have built into it an implied contract (warranty) on the business part. If the business would somehow violate that implied contract (warranty) then who knows what could happen. The business is selling each player a product and if that product isn't what it really is then thats what I mean.

soccerstand wrote:If a person did the things that have been referred to both here and in the newspaper and that person further admitted to criminal wrongdoing or even was about to admit to criminal wrongdoing then that individual has the duty and responsibility to do the following: (1) resign his or her position(s) at the business, (2) resign from the board of directors, (3) vacate his or her offices, (4) apologize to all of the (VERY HARD WORKING) employees at the business, and (5) sell his or her interest in the business.  

Hopefully if the information as represented here and in the newspaper are true then all of the above things have been done already or are in the process of being done.

Don't forget that each player is an asset to the business and one of the responsibilities of the coaches and management is to increase the value of those assets.

In a worst case situation it's possible if looked at by an attorney in a certain way each players contract with the business could be nullified.  Each parent signed a contract with the business which may also have built into it an implied contract (warranty) on the business part.  If the business would somehow violate that implied contract (warranty) then who knows what could happen.  The business is selling each player a product and if that product isn't what it really is then thats what I mean.

So, they guy gets a personal conviction and in turn he should resign from his job? That is just stupid. So everyone that makes a mistake should be unemployed.

So the guy, - not so they guy.

He didn't make a mistake, he knowingly broke the law. You don't have to be well versed in the law to know that being a bookie (or even an agent for a bookie, that's kind of like saying that a pimp is just an agent for a prostitute) is wrong. A mistake is forgetting to pay a parking fine, getting busted as part of a HUGE criminal conspiracy is not.

I really don't care what happens to Sting or this guy but stop acting like what he did was no big deal.

jsullivan81 wrote:

JeffM wrote:

jsullivan81 wrote:

JeffM wrote:

aTmAg wrote:As far as I know, Sting has not introduced a single aspect of gambling into their game plans or coaching strategy.  If they hadn't done it after all of this time when the CEO  was running a gambling ring, then I doubt  they will now that he had been caught.

Why would it be just gambling?  When someone is willing to ignore laws/rule, codes of conduct, etc. it's not just one that would be "open to interpretation".  And people in charge tend to surround themselves with like minded people.

Ever hear of "Tone at the top"?

So, using this logic, all of Solar is all corrupt as well, right? I mean, one of their top guys embezzled a dollar or two from them, therefore the coaches were in the know. TFC as well, questions arose there. Andromeda, etc etc.

Is the Solar culprit still part of the organization?  No.  Is SS still part of Andromeda? No.  (Not familiar with TFC).  BC is not going anywhere.

However you said, people at the top surround themselves with like people. As far as I know at Solar, the only one gone is the person that embezzled. But if he surrounded himself with like people as you mentioned, they are still there? Right?

True. And if you noticed, the teams that were around at the time of these issues thinned out for both Solar and Andromeda. Its up to the parent to determine whether those remaining at an organization are likely to be involved and/or likely to be of the same ilk as the person(s) who are gone. There are differences in each of the three that I have (albeit limited) knowledge of.

Andromdea - SS spent money he was expecting, but didn't get. (Remember the big financing announcement). Dumb, but not criminal, as evidenced by (to the best of my knowledge) no convictions, no investigations by Plano PD, etc. SS was not involved in the new organization.

Solar - Board chair was stealing. The rest of the board got suspicious. Board chair gets removed. Eventually police got brought in. Board chair gets indicted. (Does anyone know if he got convicted?). At any rate, since the board apparently were the first ones to have an issue, it should be a decent indication that they, and probably the staff are not going to be like Ringer. The only question would be if DR was hiring the top staff unilaterally, or was board approval required.

Sting - BC gets a criminal conviction. He owns the club (or some part of it). Who is going to fire him? He probably hired the top people on his own. Most businesses with one or two owners do it this way. Even if he goes to jail, he can still influence what goes on, who gets hired, etc.

Don' worry. All this will be forgotten with time, parents will bring the U-Littles, and all will be back to normal.

GrandTXSoccer wrote:He didn't make a mistake, he knowingly broke the law. You don't have to be well versed in the law to know that being a bookie (or even an agent for a bookie, that's kind of like saying that a pimp is just an agent for a prostitute) is wrong. A mistake is forgetting to pay a parking fine, getting busted as part of a HUGE criminal conspiracy is not.

I really don't care what happens to Sting or this guy but stop acting like what he did was no big deal.

It isn't that big of a deal, and he is being punished criminally.  I just don't think it is on the level as the sexual, physical, drug related crimes out there.  I also don't believe that he should resign HIS company and leave the community in shame.

If he was a coach, this wouldn't keep him from coaching.

I've heard the fine will be about $10K. If true, then not even the law thinks it's that big of a deal.

aTmAg wrote:I've heard the fine will be about $10K.  If true, then not even the law thinks it's that big of a deal.

Law really doesn't care, they just want the seized funds.

They care enough to impose fines proportional to the crime. The purpose of punishment is to make the cost of doing an illegal activity more expensive than the benefit of that illegal activity.

Blank77 wrote:

GrandTXSoccer wrote:He didn't make a mistake, he knowingly broke the law. You don't have to be well versed in the law to know that being a bookie (or even an agent for a bookie, that's kind of like saying that a pimp is just an agent for a prostitute) is wrong. A mistake is forgetting to pay a parking fine, getting busted as part of a HUGE criminal conspiracy is not.

I really don't care what happens to Sting or this guy but stop acting like what he did was no big deal.

It isn't that big of a deal, and he is being punished criminally.  I just don't think it is on the level as the sexual, physical, drug related crimes out there.  I also don't believe that he should resign HIS company and leave the community in shame.

If he was a coach, this wouldn't keep him from coaching.

It is that big of a deal.  This is not his first go around with illegal gambling.  Also taking some guy for $400,000 on an investment scam.

This idiot is the owner of a youth soccer club.  His first concern should be setting the right example for the kids.  It's bad enough he's rippng off the families with his cheap knockoff uniform crap.

Plain and simple.....THE GUY IS A SCUMBAG!

Wasn't the $400,000 case was dropped? I saw something about that when I was googling for details about this case.

Anytime you are investigated by the Feds, it's kind of a big deal. Anytime you are convicted of criminal activity, it's kind of a big deal.

The problem lies in the fact that everytime the organization wants to talk about how parents, players, and coaches should act it's widely going to be laughed at because they are being led by a convicted criminal (I'm assuming felon although I'm sure it could easily be pled down to something else).

Now if you don't see it as a big deal that the person leading the organization and making calls about the direction of the organizition doesn't know right from wrong then Sting is definitely the place for you to be. That is why when you are convicted of crimes you generally lose your job and are asked to step aside. It's generally an indication that you have questionable morals and should not be allowed to make critical decisions. Once again, we aren't talking about someone getting a bench warrant issued for not paying a parking fine, we are talking about someone who knowingly broke the law and was involved in illegal gambling. Kudos to him for not going to trial, and if I were to guess the punishment given was much lighter than what he probably deserved because most likely they spilled the beans on the folks higher up in the chain. Pleading guilty wasn't some moral decision he made, it was probably the lesser of two evils.

Once again though, I don't care what happens to him or to Sting but stop trying to argue that it's no big deal and that folks are crazy to say that he should lose his job. Anyone else that did these things would lose their job, I'd lose mine if I was a convicted of these crimes and I would imagine so would you. I was on the record earlier in this thread that I doubt that this hurts Sting at all so I'm not out looking for some sort of punishment for the man or club but in the real world he'd have lost his job by now, however we aren't talking about the real world, we are talking about the world of NTX soccer where anything goes as long as you are winning.

aTmAg wrote:Wasn't the $400,000 case was dropped?  I saw something about that when I was googling for details about this case.  

Not dropped, dismissed. Apparently the plaintiffs did not state their case properly, and BC had a sharp attorney.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-txnd-3_11-cv-03295/pdf/USCOURTS-txnd-3_11-cv-03295-0.pdf

aTmAg wrote:Wasn't the $400,000 case was dropped?  I saw something about that when I was googling for details about this case.  

It was dropped but I can promise you it happened.  The only reason I know is because he and his father scammed my friends and I out of 100k.  They had another group they got for 100k at the same time as us.  They're good at stealing from people and know what it takes to not get in trouble thru the court system.  My lawyer told me my group had no chance in court and it wasn't worth my money.

Hopefully the IRS gets him good on this one.

layinlow wrote:

aTmAg wrote:Wasn't the $400,000 case was dropped?  I saw something about that when I was googling for details about this case.  

It was dropped but I can promise you it happened.  The only reason I know is because he and his father scammed my friends and I out of 100k.  They had another group they got for 100k at the same time as us.  They're good at stealing from people and know what it takes to not get in trouble thru the court system.  My lawyer told me my group had no chance in court and it wasn't worth my money.

Hopefully the IRS gets him good on this one.

Oh good, so it's a family business. A family of scumbags.

Gunner9 wrote:Anybody see the irony in a lifelong grifter buying a club named Sting?   

   

97keepersdad wrote:

Blank77 wrote:

GrandTXSoccer wrote:He didn't make a mistake, he knowingly broke the law. You don't have to be well versed in the law to know that being a bookie (or even an agent for a bookie, that's kind of like saying that a pimp is just an agent for a prostitute) is wrong. A mistake is forgetting to pay a parking fine, getting busted as part of a HUGE criminal conspiracy is not.

I really don't care what happens to Sting or this guy but stop acting like what he did was no big deal.

It isn't that big of a deal, and he is being punished criminally.  I just don't think it is on the level as the sexual, physical, drug related crimes out there.  I also don't believe that he should resign HIS company and leave the community in shame.

If he was a coach, this wouldn't keep him from coaching.

It is that big of a deal.  This is not his first go around with illegal gambling.  Also taking some guy for $400,000 on an investment scam.

This idiot is the owner of a youth soccer club.  His first concern should be setting the right example for the kids.  It's bad enough he's rippng off the families with his cheap knockoff uniform crap.

Plain and simple.....THE GUY IS A SCUMBAG!

You obviously have something personal here - I don't know this guy at all and just going by what I have read briefly.  That investment thing, there is no way to tell what happened.  There is no case, people get sideways all the time on those types of deals and saying this guy was the crook and not the other is pure speculation.

I am pretty sure that the owner's of most entities are owners because they want to make money first and provide a good customer experience second.  

I won't defend the uniforms, you got me there - although in a group the size of Sting, I doubt any decisions are done by one guy.  The group has a whole decides where to cut corners and increase profit.

If this guy really gets to you, the obvious course of action is to play somewhere else.  Honestly, if you don't play for Sting, I am not sure why you would care.  From what I see, the obvious trend (now this is just in the 01 world) is that people are flocking to Sting - so besides having the founder be a bookie, they must be doing something right.