Good Read - Evaluate your DD

silentparent wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

silentparent wrote:

JustaSport wrote:

silentparent wrote:flame away but i get sick of coaches bag on america about this or that. The first thing these countries do when the identify talent is PUT THEM IN A PROGRAM. their parents are no different then ours, because people all over the world are the same about their kids, they want them to be stars, its human nature.....

I disagree.  Your statements are the type that psychotic sideline parents use to defend their behavior.  A lot of us just go to our daughters' games to watch and enjoy seeing them play.  Many of us who have been around this block before would be just fine if our kids were to find something less expensive and time consuming than select soccer - regardless of their ability or potential.  My 19 year old who was (and still is) a fantastic player is not getting an MBA in Soccer.  It's just a sport.

PS -
Dr. Soccer and Clueless, your responses give me hope that at least some parents to do "get it".

you missed the point completely, he was talking as if only american parents want their kids to be a star. all parents around the world want their kid to shine, hardly "psychotic". i found alot of what he said somewhat offensive and snobbish......

People in other countries understand the sport way better than we do over here. They do not play anywhere near as much competitive soccer as we do, more in the streets and parks. The point is we focus too much on the winning and not enough on enjoyment. That's our fault, the parents, as much as society.

lol, which is why they put chicken wire around their fields, and have riots and kill people when their teams lose...yep they are just abut "enjoyment"   

Slightly sweeping statement? Who is "they"?

Master Bates wrote:

silentparent wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

silentparent wrote:

JustaSport wrote:

silentparent wrote:flame away but i get sick of coaches bag on america about this or that. The first thing these countries do when the identify talent is PUT THEM IN A PROGRAM. their parents are no different then ours, because people all over the world are the same about their kids, they want them to be stars, its human nature.....

I disagree.  Your statements are the type that psychotic sideline parents use to defend their behavior.  A lot of us just go to our daughters' games to watch and enjoy seeing them play.  Many of us who have been around this block before would be just fine if our kids were to find something less expensive and time consuming than select soccer - regardless of their ability or potential.  My 19 year old who was (and still is) a fantastic player is not getting an MBA in Soccer.  It's just a sport.

PS -
Dr. Soccer and Clueless, your responses give me hope that at least some parents to do "get it".

you missed the point completely, he was talking as if only american parents want their kids to be a star. all parents around the world want their kid to shine, hardly "psychotic". i found alot of what he said somewhat offensive and snobbish......

People in other countries understand the sport way better than we do over here. They do not play anywhere near as much competitive soccer as we do, more in the streets and parks. The point is we focus too much on the winning and not enough on enjoyment. That's our fault, the parents, as much as society.

lol, which is why they put chicken wire around their fields, and have riots and kill people when their teams lose...yep they are just abut "enjoyment"   

Slightly sweeping statement? Who is "they"?

The same"they" that you referred to....

silentparent wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

silentparent wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

silentparent wrote:

JustaSport wrote:I disagree.  Your statements are the type that psychotic sideline parents use to defend their behavior.  A lot of us just go to our daughters' games to watch and enjoy seeing them play.  Many of us who have been around this block before would be just fine if our kids were to find something less expensive and time consuming than select soccer - regardless of their ability or potential.  My 19 year old who was (and still is) a fantastic player is not getting an MBA in Soccer.  It's just a sport.

PS -
Dr. Soccer and Clueless, your responses give me hope that at least some parents to do "get it".

you missed the point completely, he was talking as if only american parents want their kids to be a star. all parents around the world want their kid to shine, hardly "psychotic". i found alot of what he said somewhat offensive and snobbish......

People in other countries understand the sport way better than we do over here. They do not play anywhere near as much competitive soccer as we do, more in the streets and parks. The point is we focus too much on the winning and not enough on enjoyment. That's our fault, the parents, as much as society.

lol, which is why they put chicken wire around their fields, and have riots and kill people when their teams lose...yep they are just abut "enjoyment"   

Slightly sweeping statement? Who is "they"?

The same"they" that you referred to....

Other countries? Spain, Germany, England? Really?

Other countries? Spain, Germany, England? Really?


They riot in all those countries too, havent seen any us soccer riots ...

silentparent wrote:

JustaSport wrote:

silentparent wrote:flame away but i get sick of coaches bag on america about this or that. The first thing these countries do when the identify talent is PUT THEM IN A PROGRAM. their parents are no different then ours, because people all over the world are the same about their kids, they want them to be stars, its human nature.....

I disagree.  Your statements are the type that psychotic sideline parents use to defend their behavior.  A lot of us just go to our daughters' games to watch and enjoy seeing them play.  Many of us who have been around this block before would be just fine if our kids were to find something less expensive and time consuming than select soccer - regardless of their ability or potential.  My 19 year old who was (and still is) a fantastic player is not getting an MBA in Soccer.  It's just a sport.

PS -
Dr. Soccer and Clueless, your responses give me hope that at least some parents to do "get it".

you missed the point completely, he was talking as if only american parents want their kids to be a star. all parents around the world want their kid to shine, hardly "psychotic". i found alot of what he said somewhat offensive and snobbish......

Actually, I think you missed the point completely. Much of the author's message was essentially that you can't get blood from a turnip. So many parents keep pushing, and pushing, and pushing their daughters - to the point they don't want to play anymore. Just a few more skills camps, perhaps ODP, maybe weekly speed training, and 30 minutes of mandatory juggling each day. Sure, a girl can improve... but at some point, the "it" factor is either there or it's not. The tiniest fraction of kids are truly elite. Teeny tiny. But that won't stop parents from behaving like drill sergeants and spending money hand over fist for something as mundane as youth sports.

JustaSport wrote:

silentparent wrote:

JustaSport wrote:

silentparent wrote:flame away but i get sick of coaches bag on america about this or that. The first thing these countries do when the identify talent is PUT THEM IN A PROGRAM. their parents are no different then ours, because people all over the world are the same about their kids, they want them to be stars, its human nature.....

I disagree.  Your statements are the type that psychotic sideline parents use to defend their behavior.  A lot of us just go to our daughters' games to watch and enjoy seeing them play.  Many of us who have been around this block before would be just fine if our kids were to find something less expensive and time consuming than select soccer - regardless of their ability or potential.  My 19 year old who was (and still is) a fantastic player is not getting an MBA in Soccer.  It's just a sport.

PS -
Dr. Soccer and Clueless, your responses give me hope that at least some parents to do "get it".

you missed the point completely, he was talking as if only american parents want their kids to be a star. all parents around the world want their kid to shine, hardly "psychotic". i found alot of what he said somewhat offensive and snobbish......

Actually, I think you missed the point completely.  Much of the author's message was essentially that you can't get blood from a turnip.  So many parents keep pushing, and pushing, and pushing their daughters -  to the point they don't want to play anymore.  Just a few more skills camps, perhaps ODP, maybe weekly speed training, and 30 minutes of mandatory juggling each day.  Sure, a girl can improve... but at some point, the "it" factor is either there or it's not.  The tiniest fraction of kids are truly elite.  Teeny tiny.  But that won't stop parents from behaving like drill sergeants and spending money hand over fist for something as mundane as youth sports.

Nope i got that, i just disagreed that parents are psychotic here and parents elsewhere are just in it for enjoyment, thats ridiculous, parents everywhere can be over the top not just here...

I agree with you on that one, SP. And for that matter, I agree that everyone wants (and certainly should want) their kids to shine. But we all sure go too far at times, so articles like this are good for re-evaluating our approach on occasion.

The key is to know what you are looking at, study the game, take a coaching course or two, read, watch, take notes.

Enjoy the ride with them, its not about us, its about them and what they want to do. If you have the resources to allow them to pursue it to the best of their ability go for it and if yours is one of those diamonds that needs the polish dont polish it untill its nothing bust dust. They will tell us if you let them when enough is enough.

JustaSport wrote:I agree with you on that one, SP.  And for that matter, I agree that everyone wants (and certainly should want) their kids to shine.  But we all sure go too far at times, so articles like this are good for re-evaluating our approach on occasion.

  

silentparent wrote:

JustaSport wrote:

silentparent wrote:

JustaSport wrote:

silentparent wrote:flame away but i get sick of coaches bag on america about this or that. The first thing these countries do when the identify talent is PUT THEM IN A PROGRAM. their parents are no different then ours, because people all over the world are the same about their kids, they want them to be stars, its human nature.....

I disagree.  Your statements are the type that psychotic sideline parents use to defend their behavior.  A lot of us just go to our daughters' games to watch and enjoy seeing them play.  Many of us who have been around this block before would be just fine if our kids were to find something less expensive and time consuming than select soccer - regardless of their ability or potential.  My 19 year old who was (and still is) a fantastic player is not getting an MBA in Soccer.  It's just a sport.

PS -
Dr. Soccer and Clueless, your responses give me hope that at least some parents to do "get it".

you missed the point completely, he was talking as if only american parents want their kids to be a star. all parents around the world want their kid to shine, hardly "psychotic". i found alot of what he said somewhat offensive and snobbish......

Actually, I think you missed the point completely.  Much of the author's message was essentially that you can't get blood from a turnip.  So many parents keep pushing, and pushing, and pushing their daughters -  to the point they don't want to play anymore.  Just a few more skills camps, perhaps ODP, maybe weekly speed training, and 30 minutes of mandatory juggling each day.  Sure, a girl can improve... but at some point, the "it" factor is either there or it's not.  The tiniest fraction of kids are truly elite.  Teeny tiny.  But that won't stop parents from behaving like drill sergeants and spending money hand over fist for something as mundane as youth sports.

Nope i got that, i just disagreed that parents are psychotic here and parents elsewhere are just in it for enjoyment, thats ridiculous, parents everywhere can be over the top not just here...

Completely agree.  Saw the best team I've seen play the best (select) soccer I've seen at nationals and their parents were as crazy as any I've seen.

A common saying: "Even the very capable and driven soccer players, committing all their time and energy to training and improving, statistically should expect to be an average club or high school player."

veritas vos liberabit wrote:A common saying: "Even the very capable and driven soccer players, committing all their time and energy to training and improving, statistically should expect to be an average club or high school player."

Until 15-20 years post high school/club when they become former all american/national team caliber players. I've met several that have very driven prowess recollection.

veritas vos liberabit wrote:A common saying: "Even the very capable and driven soccer players, committing all their time and energy to training and improving, statistically should expect to be an average club or high school player."

Funny you should mention that saying - I actually had it put on a big sign that hangs over the door to my DD's room, so she can see it every day. Very inspirational.  We thought about making it shorter and more catchy:  "Keep trying even though you will probably suck"

clueless wrote:

veritas vos liberabit wrote:A common saying: "Even the very capable and driven soccer players, committing all their time and energy to training and improving, statistically should expect to be an average club or high school player."

Until 15-20 years post high school/club when they become former all american/national team caliber players. I've met several that have very driven prowess recollection.

Yes, soccer resumes can be rather amusing. Pre-internet it was pretty hard to verify most of the claims. Not so much anymore.

Saw a coach pitching the u-littles the other day who claims she was an All-America as a JV HS player! Talk about a tough accomplishment!

Funny you should mention that saying - I actually had it put on a big sign that hangs over the door to my DD's room, so she can see it every day. Very inspirational.  We thought about making it shorter and more catchy:  "Keep trying even though you will probably suck"[/quote]

I actually logged in on phone just to tell you thanks for making me laugh. Hysterical response. Carry on! I am off to make similar inspirational signs for my three girls.

Gunner9 wrote:

clueless wrote:

veritas vos liberabit wrote:A common saying: "Even the very capable and driven soccer players, committing all their time and energy to training and improving, statistically should expect to be an average club or high school player."

Until 15-20 years post high school/club when they become former all american/national team caliber players. I've met several that have very driven prowess recollection.

Yes, soccer resumes can be rather amusing.  Pre-internet it was pretty hard to verify most of the claims.  Not so much anymore.
   
Saw a coach pitching the u-littles the other day who claims she was an All-America as a JV HS player!  Talk about a tough accomplishment!

Oh those LP coaches!! haha

That was too easy buddy, come on now!

soccerinsane wrote:Funny you should mention that saying - I actually had it put on a big sign that hangs over the door to my DD's room, so she can see it every day. Very inspirational.  We thought about making it shorter and more catchy:  "Keep trying even though you will probably suck"

I actually logged in on phone just to tell you thanks for making me laugh.  Hysterical response.  Carry on!  I am off to make similar inspirational signs for my three girls.  
[/quote]You are welcome.  I actually have another that is a bit more reassuring for the DD who is concerned about what might happen if she doesn't play well. Inspired by the famous Liverpool motto:

You'll Never Walk Home

Perfect! Now I just need you to come up with one more for me so I'll have a unique sign for each DD's room. They can rotate on occasion to keep things fresh.

soccerinsane wrote:Perfect!  Now I just need you to come up with one more for me so I'll have a unique sign for each DD's room.  They can rotate on occasion to keep things fresh.

OK, here are three that I can't take credit for:

Another good one as well...

http://getfitpe.com/2013/02/28/20-ways-to-prepare-young-athletes-for-success-in-sports-and-in-life/

Definitely worth a read...

RalphyBoy wrote:Another good one as well...

http://getfitpe.com/2013/02/28/20-ways-to-prepare-young-athletes-for-success-in-sports-and-in-life/

Definitely worth a read...

Thank you, very good read.