LH Make-Over?

Is the rumor true that this year's LH QT is getting a make-over?  Heard something about a 10-10-10 D1-D2-D3 breakdown being the new thing this summer.

meat pie wrote:Is the rumor true that this year's LH QT is getting a make-over?  Heard something about a 10-10-10 D1-D2-D3 breakdown being the new thing this summer.

That would be interesting.  I would love confirmation on that rumor.

I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

meat pie wrote:Is the rumor true that this year's LH QT is getting a make-over?  Heard something about a 10-10-10 D1-D2-D3 breakdown being the new thing this summer.

I was told this is not being considered. As much as it would be an improvement in the relative level of comp for both D1 and D2 teams, reportedly LH is not interested in changing the current structure for u11 at this time.

Interesting, I was told that this was all but Done. LH was launching this format for the 05's this summer. They have done this for years on the Boys side and really seems to work. I think the better question is why wouldn't they change to this format? The 04's are proof the current system doesn't work. Unless of course you just want to get publicity off saying your team is D1.

Actually D1 in U11 Boys has 20 teams.

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=39881&Gender=Boys&Age=11

I'm told LH is very interested in a 10 team D1 and 20 team D2 format for U11. It's been long overdue.

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:Actually D1 in U11 Boys has 20 teams.  

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=39881&Gender=Boys&Age=11

I stand corrected on the current boys format. It changed in 2005 when CCSAI was formed. Under the old coca cola classic league format there was a D1, D2, & D3 invitational league. Can't imagine why CCSAI changed the format. D1 should be exclusive for the best of the best. A 20 team D1 is just so watered down. Way too many blow outs.

banana kick wrote:I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

You heard it here first...

NO QT FOR 05's. Straight FBR Homie!

bwgophers wrote:

banana kick wrote:I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

You heard it here first...

NO QT FOR 05's.  Straight FBR Homie!  

That would be great, saving all those teams $800 each for QT... Not going to happen, but I like the way you think!

Team rosters could completely change before QT's. Making the FBR invalid. Once teams have signed their rosters qualifying tournaments will be used to validate QT rankings.

Nah go with the 20 teams. It will keep Pulp from having to go thru the trouble of blowing you guys out twice in the season.

No seriously though you will have a few teams at the very top of D1 and a few at the very bottom. Then there is a big cluster in the middle fighting it out to see who stays in D1. The real drama of first year D1 is in the middle almost never at the top. Take the league to 10 and all that would be gone

bwgophers wrote:

banana kick wrote:I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

You heard it here first...

NO QT FOR 05's.  Straight FBR Homie!  

The FBR sees all (except that tx spirit debacle). Is that the greatest collapse of a number 1 FBR in the history of the FBR?

go99 wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

banana kick wrote:I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

You heard it here first...

NO QT FOR 05's.  Straight FBR Homie!  

The FBR sees all (except that tx spirit debacle).  Is that the greatest collapse of a number 1 FBR in the history of the FBR?

No kidding! Who would have seen sting gut beating all the top teams and becoming the real number 1 next season.

not quite all of them. First they need to hang onto D1 before worrying about winning it

LH will become less and less relevant as the nation's leagues become more regionalized in order to maintain and promote quality.
ECNL clubs already have started a Junior ECNL program for U12 and U13 and are busy training those groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH_4jadGlBY
Anyone know if the 04s and 03s event be held in Austin again? Will Lonestar be hosting?

TXSoccerMommy wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

banana kick wrote:I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

You heard it here first...

NO QT FOR 05's.  Straight FBR Homie!  

That would be great, saving all those teams $800 each for QT...  Not going to happen, but I like the way you think!

Oh no... you'll still have to pay your $800.  It just now going to be called a "posting fee".  Half goes to LHGCL, and half goes to me for providing LHGCL with my final post-King TuT rankings.  No way LHGCL isn't going to make their money.  Now they can just do it with a lot less hassle...

...and speaking of King TuT, I'm in final negotiations with FC Dallas to provide the seeding for King TuT via FBR, in exchange for 1% of the gross parking income from Toyota Soccer Center from that weekend...

banana kick wrote:I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

What is a Lake Highlands insider? Is that a payed position or a volunteer job? Do you have to be an Illuminati or a Free Mason to be a Lake Highlands insider? Are Lake Highlands insiders sequestered somewhere at a secret underground compound with armed gaurds and encrypted, firewall protected, stand alone computer servers? Do they have their own satellite system? Do Lake Highlands insiders have to pay taxes? If they don't have to pay taxes, then I'd really like to become a Lake Highlands insider. Is there a waiting list to become a Lake Highlands insider or do you have to have the right bloodlines, like royalty?

Does that mean I'm an outsider? Weird, I read the bylaws, the bylaws say I'm a member. I guess I missed the fine print where I was designated as an outsider? Sooooooo.....am I an outsider like a commoner loitering about outside the gates of Buckingham Palace? Or am I an outsider more like an untouchable, with no legs and one arm, wallowing in slum sewer in Mumbai?

Everyone seems to be forgetting the all important NTSSA Seeding Showdown. Will FBR be used to seed the "SEEDING"?  

http://www.ntxsoccer.org/2015seedingshowdown-dates.aspx


"it will be the primary source for all seedings in this summer's qualifying tournaments"

Tournament Dates
July 10-13

Registration is already open. Which 05 teams have already signed up?

SWGSB 52 wrote:Everyone seems to be forgetting the all important NTSSA Seeding Showdown. Will FBR be used to seed the "SEEDING"?  

http://www.ntxsoccer.org/2015seedingshowdown-dates.aspx


"it will be the primary source for all seedings in this summer's qualifying tournaments"

Tournament Dates
July 10-13

Registration is already open. Which 05 teams have already signed up?

PYSA hasn't approached me yet about helping to seed PPL via FBR...

OLJW wrote:

banana kick wrote:I heard the same rumor, albeit several months ago. Lake Highlands insiders? Gophers?

What is a Lake Highlands insider? Is that a payed position or a volunteer job? Do you have to be an Illuminati or a Free Mason to be a Lake Highlands insider? Are Lake Highlands insiders sequestered somewhere at a secret underground  compound with armed gaurds and encrypted, firewall protected, stand alone computer servers? Do they have their own satellite system? Do Lake Highlands insiders have to pay taxes? If they don't have to pay taxes,  then I'd really like to become a Lake Highlands insider. Is there a waiting list to become a Lake Highlands insider or do you have to have the right bloodlines, like royalty?

Does that mean I'm an outsider? Weird, I read the bylaws, the bylaws say I'm a member. I guess I missed the fine print where I was designated as an outsider? Sooooooo.....am I an outsider like a commoner loitering about outside the gates of Buckingham Palace?  Or am I an outsider more like an untouchable, with no legs and one arm, wallowing in slum sewer in Mumbai?

I don't want to belong to any club that would have me as a member - GM

I hope this change happens soon. There's not enough top talent to warrant 20 D1 teams. This stuff is too expensive to not be competitive.

thats just not true. In the 04's without the top 20 there is a good chance a team like Sting G would not have been in D1 to beat 2 of the top teams in a row. I know people outside of the top 3 or so like to believe they are a much better team than the rest but they aren't From about 5 down to about 18 there isn't alot to seperate them. So if it's all about competitive take the top team or 2 and play them up and drop the bottom 5 and make the rest play each other to stay in D1

go99 wrote:thats just not true.  In the 04's without the top 20 there is a good chance a team like Sting G would not have been in D1 to beat 2 of the top teams in a row.  I know people outside of the top 3 or so like to believe they are a much better team than the rest but they aren't  From about 5 down to about 18 there isn't alot to seperate them.  So if it's all about competitive take the top team or 2 and play them up and drop the bottom 5 and make the rest play each other to stay in D1

Do you feel that your DD and her team is being challenged every week? I'm honestly curious, not trolling you.

O.K.  Here's the trade-off/debate about whether to have a 10 team, or 20 team D1 at U11...

The general QT format over the past 5 years (at least) has been that LHGCL does not restrict any team from signing up for the QT as long as they are officially registered as a competitive team with an NTSSA member association, meet the minimum roster size requirements, and pay the entry fee.  LHGCL also has not capped the # of teams that sign up for the QT.

So, typically, somewhere between 45-55 teams sign up to play in the QT, and the format going back at least 5 years, has been that teams play in 4 team brackets (with 3 team brackets if the total # of teams is not an even multiple of 4) on week 1, with the week 1 bracket winners automatically being placed into D1.

The problem is that if you go to a 10-team D1, if you keep the same QT format, now, being a bracket winner in week 1 does not guarantee you a spot in D1.  You would be deciding D1 teams based on points.  LHGCL has historically used the 10-point system for their scoring, so now, you open up the distinct possibility that top 5 team could totally dominate their competition, but get bumped out of D1 because of a single fluke wind-aided or wacky bounce goal scored by a 30-ish ranked team in a 7-1 game.

From what I remember based on discussion I saw when I first started paying attention to this forum 5 years ago, LHGCL went to the 20-team Supergroup at U11, specifically to minimize these types of vagaries from the QT process.  The thought process being that the 20-team Supergroup at U11 does a better job of sorting out who the D1 teams should be for U12 and beyond.

Of course, the downside is that you end up with more non-competitive games during U11, especially for the top 5 and bottom 5 of the 20 team Supergroup.

I'm not saying that one way is better than the other.  They both have their issues.

My point is that if LHGCL is going to go back to a 10-10-10 format at U11, then hopefully they are looking at modifying the QT format to remove some of the vagaries in results that could happen if the current format was used to populate a 10-10-10 league...

Possibilities in my mind:

1)  Change from the current 10-point scoring system to a 3-1-0 scoring system with GD as a tie-breaker.

Pros:  3-1-0 system using GD allows for teams to overcome the negative impact of giving up a fluke goal, moreso than the 10-point system does.

Cons:  3-1-0 system using GD will encourage the top teams to "keep the foot on the gas" and score as many goals as possible.  10-point system minimized running up the score by capping the benefit of the total number of goals scored.

2)  Go to a maximum of 10 5-team brackets for round 1 of the tournament

Pros:  10 Round 1 bracket winners get into D1.  Eliminates the problem of a bracket winner not making D1.  Adds 1 additional game to help sort out the bracket order to remove some of the randomness of the process.

Cons:  Additional round 1 games.  Odd # of teams in brackets results in an "unbalanced" serpentine seeding.  You have to cap the QT entries at 50 teams, meaning that LHGCL will now have to put in some kind of subjective selection process if more than 50 teams sign up to play.

3)  Stick with the current 4-team round 1 brackets with no limit on # of teams that can enter the QT.  After Round 1, only the top 30 teams advance to Round 2 (Top 2 finishers in each Week 1 bracket + 3rd place teams with highest point totals necessary to get to 30 total teams).  Round 2 is 10 3-team brackets seeded based on Round 1 performance.  Round 2 is simply played for D1-D2-D3 placement.  Round 2 bracket winners go to D1, 2nd place go to D2, 3rd place go to D3.

Pros:  Probably the most fair way to determine the top 10 teams for D1 using a limited QT format.  

Cons:  Top teams have to play both rounds.  Teams 30+ are much less likely to get their $800 worth because more teams that do NOT qualify for LHGCL will only have gotten 2-3 games for their $800.  This format places a higher importance on accurate seeding of teams outside the top 20 or so, which is typically more difficult to do than seeding top teams correctly.