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OK, we are now heading to the third game of the season for D1. How do the teams do this week? Since I can't use a tie (because the poll question won't allow that many line items) note any ties in a reply.

Gold
Premier (good coach, good team)
Ferretti/DT draw (slip of the week)
Solar (easiest first 5)
SW/Mustang draw (not sure what's happening w Stangs)
Elite (they won't lose again)
Andro/Central draw (Andro goes mma)

Three good games to watch 1) Andro and Parker. I think the Parker team needs to the win so I will go with them in a tight game. 2) Mustangs vs West. This is one where I think smart money is on Stangs but I think it will be a draws and very low scoring match. 3) DTN vs Ferretti - the only question is who shows up for sting. They are the most up and down team at times. But I will go with them by 2 goals.

I expect FCDP/Garrett to be a barn burner...starting 0-3 for Garrett is a lot to overcome, and if FCDP has expectations of top 5, they need to win this one.

DTN and Ferretti will both come out guns blazing. Ferretti's biggest issue IMO is they can be inconsistent...The former D2 teams must have those games against each other so they can minimize the slate of teams previously in D1...

SWW and Bussey will be tough...for those wondering what is up with Bussey...it is simple. They have some injuries, and they have faced two teams that matched up against their issues well...if I am not mistaken, they lost both by a goal?? They are solid and play hard. No real issue, they just have to score one more than the team they face.

Andro/Parker...Brown/Elite...these are all potential top 5 teams...gonna be some real skin on the line. Elite and Brown need a win to keep pace, and Andro and Parker can create a little separation with wins.

IMO...those are 5 games where the fur will fly...not that it won't happen in the others as well.

Just thinking of fur flying makes me sneeze!

On the Andro/Parker game, I think it will depend on who is available to play for Parker as to how the game will turn out.

InaB wrote:On the Andro/Parker game, I think it will depend on who is available to play for Parker as to how the game will turn out.

Prob more along the lines of who is aval for CPP from Sting ECNL

So I did not think Parker used CPP last year. Was I mistaken? If so that might explain their final standing. Does anyone have any real facts on this one?

They used 3-5 during the Spring season last year and wasn't their game winning goal last weekend against Solar scored by CPP from the 00 ecnl team.

you keep saying that Parker CPP'd players from ECNL, but isnt it in actuality dual rostered players that play both LH and ECNL.

My understanding of CPP is that the passed player must be from another LH roster, not an ECNL roster.

So are these players on Parkers roster all the time, but they play ECNL as well (dual rostered) or are they on some other Sting teams roster (not just ECNL)???

ahhh so yes they are bring in ringers!

sportsnerd wrote:you keep saying that Parker CPP'd players from ECNL, but isnt it in actuality dual rostered players that play both LH and ECNL.

My understanding of CPP is that the passed player must be from another LH roster, not an ECNL roster.

So are these players on Parkers roster all the time, but they play ECNL as well (dual rostered) or are they on some other Sting teams roster (not just ECNL)???

No these players are not dual rostered. To my knowledge they are only on the ecnl roster.

SG 1:1 Aztecs. SG was pretty awful today. Couldn't find the net. Aztecs GK got a nosebleed (no contact)...which I will chalk up to altitude. Aztecs had one carted off with a leg injury, didn't see anything big happen, but she was in the parking lot on the cart, so best wishes healing. Let us know. I hate to see any of them get injured.

purezen wrote:

sportsnerd wrote:you keep saying that Parker CPP'd players from ECNL, but isnt it in actuality dual rostered players that play both LH and ECNL.

My understanding of CPP is that the passed player must be from another LH roster, not an ECNL roster.

So are these players on Parkers roster all the time, but they play ECNL as well (dual rostered) or are they on some other Sting teams roster (not just ECNL)???

No these players are not dual rostered.  To my knowledge they are only on the ecnl roster.  

I believe CPP considers ecnl an "one above" player.

From what I can tell, the Sting ecnl player(s), who have CPP'd...

1-were on Sting's ecnl roster, but scratched from Sting's gameday rosters in its first 2 ECNL matches...
2-are not on any LH D1 rosters, so they aren't "dual rostered" players.

In the past, an ECNL-LH dual roster player was usually a good LH player, who practiced full time with her D1 team, who also had a ecnl roster spot, where she wasn't needed on a weekly basis.  The dual designation indicated she had the opportunity to "move up" during the ecnl season when needed. Now these CPP ECNL player(s) probably train with their ecnl team during week, but don't yet have the opportunity to be one of the 18 to suit up on game day.

We would agree that it would stink to train all summer, each week, and consistently not be able to play in matches.  Therefore, CPP ECNL player(s) must be getting their gameday playing time in LH. It makes sense from a Sting D1 team, player, ecnl coach, and club standpoint:

D1 Coach & Team:
D1 Coach has a good player resource in case of injuries... Or when playing a skilled opposing team   .   If she's not on a LH roster, and doesn't train with that group, it helps with team unity and the coach doesn't have to burn a roster spot for a part-time player. If she gets "called up" to an ECNL game day, the drama of a D1 team losing their best player mid season is avoided.. .  Also, since the player(s) aren't "on the team", (ideally) there are no parent questions about paying team dues, 1st loyalty, etc... Lastly, since the player has multiple D1 options to participate., she doesn't have disrupt the same team starting lineup on a weekly basis ...

Player & Parents:   
A young lady, who isn't "quite ready" for ecnl matches, has the opportunity to train, improve with the "more skilled" ECNL team, under the tutelage of her ecnl coach, but is still able to get extensive playing time on one of Sting's LH D1 teams. The parent get to see their Ecnl DD play every week.

Club:
The ultimate flex player... She doesn't burn a LH roster spot, but is available to help multiple LH sting teams that need an extra quality striker, mid or defender.  It benefits the sting ecnl player, the game day sting team and the sting club.

Ecnl Coach:
If adequately explained prior to signing, the coach is able to maintain a reserve of very good players, that aren't demanding playing time. He is able to assist his fellow Sting LH D1 coaches, without antagonizing them when he needs to pull those players up. Lastly, he can answer requests for help in tough matches, er, uh-- extensive injuries, without needing to expose his top 18 to injury.

Of course, this is just my speculation, and I am probably totally wrong.

Pack, I will add to your post above as best I have understood/understand it:

On your 1 and 2 above, the players in question were both coming off injuries and have not competed in any ecnl environment in quite some time. As it was explained to a group of inquiring minds, one is coming off a back to back ACL and one off an ankle (thought we were told pretty severe as well). This coupled with the 6 injuries on the D1 roster created an opportunity for players to get some minutes in.

As to LH, I have been told on several occasions that ECNL to LH D1 would be considered more of lateral move instead of a player playing down. And considerations were taken by the league to injuries on both.

Although my DD is no longer on SCP, I can say that the club has always tried to manage LH D1-ECNL and ECNL to LH D1 as opportunities for players to get the appropriate game time based on the player's needs. This I can say with certainty was the case last year for the 2 games that CPP was used. In one game, both players were training only with ecnl and on those rosters, but we're not getting games. The other was agin one of the players not getting time, and one coming off a major knee injury and had not played in a competitive game in just under a year.

All that said, I never viewed our time with the team to be a bad experience by any means. We had a great time and my DD benefited greatly. SCP is a very good team. They work hard and they play hard with a lot of grit. I think it unfair to take that away from them. They are a top 2-3 team in the league hands down.

I'll go back to my hole now. Just wanted to add to Pack's overall assessment above.

backofthenet wrote:Pack, I will add to your post above as best I have understood/understand it:

On your 1 and 2 above, the players in question were both coming off injuries and have not competed in any ecnl environment in quite some time. As it was explained to a group of inquiring minds, one is coming off a back to back ACL and one off an ankle (thought we were told pretty severe as well). This coupled with the 6 injuries on the D1 roster created an opportunity for players to get some minutes in.

As to LH, I have been told on several occasions that ECNL to LH D1 would be considered more of lateral move instead of a player playing down. And considerations were taken by the league to injuries on both.

Although my DD is no longer on SCP, I can say that the club has always tried to manage LH D1-ECNL and ECNL to LH D1 as opportunities for players to get the appropriate game time based on the player's needs. This I can say with certainty was the case last year for the 2 games that CPP was used. In one game, both players were training only with ecnl and on those rosters, but we're not getting games. The other was agin one of the players not getting time, and one coming off a major knee injury and had not played in a competitive game in just under a year.

All that said, I never viewed our time with the team to be a bad experience by any means. We had a great time and my DD benefited greatly. SCP is a very good team. They work hard and they play hard with a lot of grit. I think it unfair to take that away from them. They are a top 2-3 team in the league hands down.

I'll go back to my hole now. Just wanted to add to Pack's overall assessment above.

BOTN, good to hear from you and thanks for your insight!

Your information is positive and makes total sense (just as anything else you have opined forth upon   ). I just wanted to throw out my speculation for consumption, to see if I was on the right track.  I tried to take a little extra care writing it, so it wouldn't come across as sarcastic or accusatory.

Whatever my opinions about Club Sting's use of CPP,  there is no doubt that SCP is a very good team, with a great story. My past, loud suspicions have caused me a great deal of consternation-- I've been accused of being a sour grapes parent from Sting (Parker, flannigan, Garret AND Brown) Andromeda, SG, Solar Elite and fairly recently Sting Pat (!)   ... I guess it's just too outside the realm to believe one can make specific observations, without a specific cause, so I'm not looking for anymore CPP battles this year.  Based on your thoughtful comments above, it appears to be a positive situation for those players/teams involved, so that is very good.

But I do have one question, just to clarify that I read above correctly--Are you saying SCP had 6 players injured for one or both of their 1st two LH matches? If so,    I wish those players Godspeed in getting healthy.

One additional note for you Pack. The two players last year that were in question were added to the team's roster permanently this year and are only playing in LH and Premier League-with opportunity to train or play with ECNL if needed or requested.

As to injuries, I'm being told down 6 with another as of Friday from high school.

SG 2:3 FCDP. Great game. Back and forth. 1-0, 1-1, 2-1, 2-2, 3-2. Both teams played well. I happened to be sitting on the line of the SG forward called offside on equalizer. She wasn't...but I am happier today (even w the loss) than yesterday. That is the way that games should be. Hard fought, but clean, and back and forth.

Congrats to fcd for the win.

Any other scores?

Only what the website shows:

Sting G 4-0 Mustangs
Solar Elite 5-0 DT

Parker 5-0...over Sting Feet. Andro 1-0 over Aztecs...both are heresay and need confirmation, but I trust my CI.

Well the scores reflect that d2 teams are struggling against the top 5 D1 teams from last year. This is going to make for some lopsided games which frankly are very hard to watch! It just reinforces that the LH system of 3 divisions and the promotion \ relegation system works for the most part. (With the exception of club keeping the spot)

Well, I can see that things are going to be a bit tougher all the way around. It will definitely give us pause to think about the games.

Andromeda fans, I like your spunk.