Nor Cal Implementation Plan

Northern California released their Final Implementation plan for the US Soccer Initiatives recently. This doesn't address how teams move up within leagues but I did find it interesting the oldest players are clumped together in their final years.

http://norcalpremier.com/home/894044.html

They don't adress it because they don't have the promotion/relegation system we do. So it has no bearing. Teams can opt to stay together and just play up

AtThePitch wrote:They don't adress it because they don't have the promotion/relegation system we do. So it has no bearing. Teams can opt to stay together and just play up

Northern California is different than SoCal.
http://www.norcalpremier.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gpx::73130+L2/+E+159
High-level competition with multiple divisions of play, promotion and relegation

· We believe players, teams and clubs seeking high-level competition should have a place to play.
· We believe a league should have promotion and relegation to ensure players and teams are, as much as possible, playing at the appropriate level of competition.

AtThePitch wrote:They don't adress it because they don't have the promotion/relegation system we do. So it has no bearing. Teams can opt to stay together and just play up

Right...so jan. to july kids play up until they are seniors, and then the aug. to dec. kids play DOWN so they'll have the same team senior year. If all the teams do this, WTH was the point of age pure again?

The point for a u15 player at this stage of the game is pretty much pointless.

The ones that will see the change are for example my 6 year old.

weatherbug wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:They don't adress it because they don't have the promotion/relegation system we do. So it has no bearing. Teams can opt to stay together and just play up

Northern California is different than SoCal.
http://www.norcalpremier.com/scripts/runisa.dll?M2:gpx::73130+L2/+E+159
High-level competition with multiple divisions of play, promotion and relegation

·      We believe players, teams and clubs seeking high-level competition should have a place to play.
·      We believe a league should have promotion and relegation to ensure players and teams are, as much as possible, playing at the appropriate level of competition.

You are correct, I had assumed they ran all of Cali the same.

Nor Cal. Is on par with Socal aren't they....

AtThePitch wrote:The point for a u15 player at this stage of the game is pretty much pointless.  

The ones that will see the change are for example my 6 year old.

Short term maybe, since fear and doubt will likely drive mass club hopping. I just don't see what would stop teams from eventually organizing around their graduating classes...fall born seniors will always have no club team in a true age pure system. Norcal putting them back together as seniors just acknowledges why school year works in the states.

The best teams and players always try to play up anyway, so do we really think in three years the truly age pure teams will be running the show in any age group? I think this change will end up utterly pointless across the board. Fully on board with USSF on heading and small sided, but this one seems ill-advised, and all the wackines they're running into trying to implement or even communicate how to implement should tell em something.

Using your DDs squad as a case study...

You have ONE player that is playing up. That isn't a majority, and she is an exceptional player... you have a ton of others that came out and we're turned away? I know the answer...

So let's revisit this when my youngest 2015 who happens to be a January baby like his big sis is say U14...

+1 that eyeroll. I'll message you why.

AtThePitch wrote:Using your DDs squad as a case study...

You have ONE player that is playing up.  That isn't a majority, and she is an exceptional player... you have a ton of others that came out and we're turned away?  I know the answer...

There's perception, and then there's reality. JM is a very good coach. JM is also a very good recruiter, and a very good soccer entreprenuer, not much different than Hasan or any of these other folk that started soccer businesses in the area. It's hard for me to believe JM EVER turned anyone away. He offers kids spots at the level he thinks they should play, just like most other coaches. Regarding the 01s, before u15 his policy was to recruit starters, not "depth". When they were u11, they went through state cup and took out the top two teams and narrowly lost the final. Even though that team was super talented, JM brought in 5 players from Solar the very next season. Some went to top team, some went to second team, but all of them walked in the door and were either given starting spots or heavy minutes. JM didn't start carrying large rosters like big clubs do until u15, but you'll have a hard time convincing me ANY kid wanting to sign with kicks wouldn't have been offered a spot on at least one of his teams.

Now regarding playing up...I said the best TEAMS and players TRY to play up. We need to be careful about using one example to make broad conclusions, but that 01 team's run-in wasn't any different than many others at the same level. When they were your DD's age, unless it was a large national tourney (i.e. surf/vegas), they almost always played up. They played select at age, but they played up in a ton of tournaments from academy all the way through u14, which is TYPICAL for teams at that level.

8 of the 11 current starters on that roster were born in '01.   You keep talking about promotion/relegation. I would put good money if LH had said this past summer they were getting rid of promotion/relegation, and teams could petition to sign up where they think they belong, that ENTIRE team would've tried to play up into u16 with 00s&99s...even with so many players born in 01.

NONE of that will change by switching to birth year. Teams and players are still going to seek out the  level they think they need, and the month a kid is born is not going to have a lot to do with it.  Jan kids that can't cut it, still won't be able to cut it. December kids that are ballers, will still be ballers. A top team is going to be made up of the best players a coach can get his/her hands on...regardless of birth month. Only reason there is only 1 kid on that team playing up in league play is because, until now at least, they've turned down offers from other clubs to stay together as a unit. If that were a Texans team more of them would've been played up in league play.  The net is this birth year change sounds like a good idea, but the more you look at it, it makes about as much sense as the u.s changing to the metric system.

AtThePitch wrote:
So let's revisit this when my youngest 2015 who happens to be a January  baby like his big sis is say U14...

If i'm still posting on this forum in 14 years, please shoot me and put me out of my misery.

You are preaching to the choir... remember who was on your sideline at U11. Been there, done that man.

My comment regarding players turned away was sarcasm... yall didn't have a ton of 02s trying to play up.

Hey I agree, the change for ages is nothing more than doing what everyone else is doing...

You are right if a jan kid can't play but a Dec kid can they will be picked... issue is at the younger ages... most of the jan kids will be ready to roll quicker than your Dec kids... just like now..
. The vaunted 05/06 team of yalls had literally every player but 2 that were aug-Nov kids until 1 more 06 joined... the second squad... literally 1 player outside the aug-dec range... not by design, but natural selection.

Thankfully I'm about done posting on this fodum. Select quiets the crap down.. and my other two are boys... not even going to go there .

AtThePitch wrote:You are preaching to the choir... remember who was on your sideline at U11. Been there, done that man.

My comment regarding players turned away was sarcasm... yall didn't have a ton of 02s trying to play up.  

Hey I agree, the change for ages is nothing more than doing what everyone else is doing...

You are right if a jan kid can't play but a Dec kid can they will be picked... issue is at the younger ages... most of the jan kids will be ready to roll quicker than your Dec kids... just like now..
. The vaunted 05/06 team of yalls had literally every player but 2 that were aug-Nov kids until 1 more 06 joined... the second squad... literally 1 player outside the aug-dec range...  not by design, but natural selection.

Thankfully I'm about done posting on this fodum. Select quiets the crap down.. and my other two are boys... not even going to go there .

I'm going to hold you to that! No way you quit posting because your DD goes select.

Write it down. Amen!