Girls DA in 2017

4-3-3 wrote:

rzrFC wrote:You speak the truth ballhead and I have no disagreement with any of your points.  ECNL is a victim of there own success by expanding beyond their original intent.  My argument is that U.S. Club Soccer's success rate with leagues (NPL and ENCL) is light years ahead of anything USSF or USYS has done for young ladies.  As I said in my earlier posts, USSF should support and enhance what IS working...ECNL.  If they are trying to fix something that's broken, maybe they should start with the men's side.  Or, regional leagues.

Your argument that US Club Soccer's leagues are working because the WNT won the world cup is flawed. First off neither morgan brian nor press nor any of the other players named can be legitimately claimed as ecnl products. They all came up through the old system of usys and odp. Brian may have played a few games in ecnl u23 after she was already in college and a long time NT player. Go check where she actually played her club soccer.

Second off, where is the evidence ecnl is producing more talented YNTs than the old system? Several ecnl era YNT  have recently struggled in international competitions whereas the old gals basically dominated all minnows. After the u20s performance at last u20wc, it looked to me ussf started taking more ownership of their scouting and started expanding their call ups to include more non ecnl players. Ecnl still dominates rosters, but ussf realized they needed to also id fantastic players not in ecnl.

Thirdly, if you watched the wwc you saw the gap between us and the rest of the world rapidly closing. We needed an abby moment to get past nigeria and some good calls and a pk miss to put away germany. Yes the ladies destroyed japan in the final, but if you look at the entire picture of the early rounds plus the trends of our YNTs, ussf would be silly to sit on their hands and conclude no improvements are needed. The women don't have the same goals as the men. They're trying to retain their spot as the best in the world.

ECNL hooked up college coaches with aspiring players more efficiently than any prior league. The top ecnl talent is better than any other youth league. As more and more clubs that send kids to NTs get ecnl added, there is no longer any debate about those points. But the idea every ecnl team is strong top to bottom, or is on a different level than all non ecnl, is myth. Myth supported largely by the type of marketing that made you believe morgan brian was an ecnl product.

DA could be a huge win for womens soccer. Even moreso if ussf creates a sensible structure for the levels below to feed the DA with similarly trained players who have also been exposed to standards based, competitive environments. Hopefully that structure allows free movement between the levels as players or clubs progress or regress. The quality in the base and middle tiers will ultimately determine how good the top can become.

SWGSB 52 wrote:I'll give credit to RWD for posting this Podcast in another thread. It's about 1hr in length but offers some really good points of discussion.

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/podcast-u-s-soccers-girls-development-academy-plans-and-issues-to-consider/

Interesting thoughts on how they feel that DA will and should work with ECNL. A lot of people want to point at DA as a better option but these guys discuss several issues where DA is getting it wrong. Also, it would appear that player subsidies in DA for boys in other parts of the nation are for only the low income and not all players. It sounds like girls player subsidies would be even harder without a professional team tie. Right now only the top NWSL players are paid a living wage. I guess we will wait and see.

SD69 wrote:

When asked where she wants soccer to take her, my DD says she'd like to play in college. When asked about nat'l team, she said "Are you crazy! Those player all came from the Pro's, and most of them don't make anything."

Glad to see she's got reasonable expectations.

SWGSB 52 wrote:I'll give credit to RWD for posting this Podcast in another thread. It's about 1hr in length but offers some really good points of discussion.

http://www.soccerwire.com/blog-posts/podcast-u-s-soccers-girls-development-academy-plans-and-issues-to-consider/

Interesting thoughts on how they feel that DA will and should work with ECNL. A lot of people want to point at DA as a better option but these guys discuss several issues where DA is getting it wrong. Also, it would appear that player subsidies in DA for boys in other parts of the nation are for only the low income and not all players. It sounds like girls player subsidies would be even harder without a professional team tie. Right now only the top NWSL players are paid a living wage. I guess we will wait and see.

go99 wrote:you guys are funny.  Heard the same BS when DA came into the boys.  As soon as the league dropped parents came running to lick the sack of the closest DA club coach.  It's not about what they want from soccer, sure as hell isn't about development.  It's about ego and saying my kid is in the TOP league.  

go99 wrote:you guys are funny.  Heard the same BS when DA came into the boys.  As soon as the league dropped parents came running to lick the sack of the closest DA club coach.  It's not about what they want from soccer, sure as hell isn't about development.  It's about ego and saying my kid is in the TOP league.  

go99 wrote:you guys are funny.  Heard the same BS when DA came into the boys.  As soon as the league dropped parents came running to lick the sack of the closest DA club coach.  It's not about what they want from soccer, sure as hell isn't about development.  It's about ego and saying my kid is in the TOP league.  

go99 wrote:you guys are funny.  Heard the same BS when DA came into the boys.  As soon as the league dropped parents came running to lick the sack of the closest DA club coach.  It's not about what they want from soccer, sure as hell isn't about development.  It's about ego and saying my kid is in the TOP league.  

WhySeauxSerious wrote:

go99 wrote:you guys are funny.  Heard the same BS when DA came into the boys.  As soon as the league dropped parents came running to lick the sack of the closest DA club coach.  It's not about what they want from soccer, sure as hell isn't about development.  It's about ego and saying my kid is in the TOP league.  

For real though....I feel the same about most parents that declare their kid NEEDs to play up.

go99 wrote:womans soccer has been successful because of athleticism and the fact that soccer is seen as a mens sport by most of the rest of the world so girls participation has been limited.  That kind of everything is fine no need to change anything thinking worked out great for England.

4-3-3 wrote:

rzrFC wrote:You speak the truth ballhead and I have no disagreement with any of your points.  ECNL is a victim of there own success by expanding beyond their original intent.  My argument is that U.S. Club Soccer's success rate with leagues (NPL and ENCL) is light years ahead of anything USSF or USYS has done for young ladies.  As I said in my earlier posts, USSF should support and enhance what IS working...ECNL.  If they are trying to fix something that's broken, maybe they should start with the men's side.  Or, regional leagues.

Your argument that US Club Soccer's leagues are working because the WNT won the world cup is flawed. First off neither morgan brian nor press nor any of the other players named can be legitimately claimed as ecnl products. They all came up through the old system of usys and odp. Brian may have played a few games in ecnl u23 after she was already in college and a long time NT player. Go check where she actually played her club soccer.

Second off, where is the evidence ecnl is producing more talented YNTs than the old system? Several ecnl era YNT  have recently struggled in international competitions whereas the old gals basically dominated all minnows. After the u20s performance at last u20wc, it looked to me ussf started taking more ownership of their scouting and started expanding their call ups to include more non ecnl players. Ecnl still dominates rosters, but ussf realized they needed to also id fantastic players not in ecnl.

Thirdly, if you watched the wwc you saw the gap between us and the rest of the world rapidly closing. We needed an abby moment to get past nigeria and some good calls and a pk miss to put away germany. Yes the ladies destroyed japan in the final, but if you look at the entire picture of the early rounds plus the trends of our YNTs, ussf would be silly to sit on their hands and conclude no improvements are needed. The women don't have the same goals as the men. They're trying to retain their spot as the best in the world.

ECNL hooked up college coaches with aspiring players more efficiently than any prior league. The top ecnl talent is better than any other youth league. As more and more clubs that send kids to NTs get ecnl added, there is no longer any debate about those points. But the idea every ecnl team is strong top to bottom, or is on a different level than all non ecnl, is myth. Myth supported largely by the type of marketing that made you believe morgan brian was an ecnl product.

DA could be a huge win for womens soccer. Even moreso if ussf creates a sensible structure for the levels below to feed the DA with similarly trained players who have also been exposed to standards based, competitive environments. Hopefully that structure allows free movement between the levels as players or clubs progress or regress. The quality in the base and middle tiers will ultimately determine how good the top can become.

FCT2016 wrote:Oh yeah! "I need my DD to play up so she is paying against physically quicker and stronger kids!"  Don't need more touches on the ball then? Fools!