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Re: No headers
by TatonkaBurger 16/03/16, 08:30 am
bwgophers wrote:Personally, I think txsoccer.net is all the evidence you need to support lingering brain damage caused from heading the ball too much as kids...
Except that 80% of the people on this forum didn't play soccer growing up. We have to find something else to blame.
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Re: No headers
by AtThePitch 16/03/16, 08:47 am
TatonkaBurger wrote:bwgophers wrote:Personally, I think txsoccer.net is all the evidence you need to support lingering brain damage caused from heading the ball too much as kids...
Except that 80% of the people on this forum didn't play soccer growing up. We have to find something else to blame.
I blame mine on "la chancla"
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Re: No headers
by Guest 16/03/16, 10:16 am
go99 wrote:It is well know that the genetic inferiority of American children makes it dangerous for them to do heading. Their heads are squishy and more suited to sedentary activities. It's why US education standards fall near 3rd world levels. The rest of the children around the world are fully capable of doing it.
I'd argue the demographics of Americans playing this sport are entirely different than other countries. Soccer is more proletariat than bourgeoisie everywhere else in the world. Our kids, especially on the girls side, are the high performing future leaders, not kids looking for athletics to boost their social and economic status. Soccer other places is more like boxing is here...if you end up with brain damage it was worth the risk since you didn't have a ton of other options. American surburban kids are all headed to college, so tell me why our 8 year olds need to be heading soccer balls because poor kids do it in Croatia.
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Re: No headers
by go99 16/03/16, 10:48 am
so tell me why the entire game should be changed to suit overprotective parents of weak overindulged children? Have a son that is a junior being heavily recruited to go top university with a 4.0 GPA. He seems to have survived all of the years of "head trauma". Maybe he is just made of sterner stuff. Life hurts, kids will get hurt, bad things happen in life. You cannot wrap your kids in bubble wrap and protect them from every little bump. All it really does is turn them into the self entitled, self absorbed, little brats with little ability to stand with a straight spine without mom and dad hand supporting their back. People like to talk about the death of American excellence. It's dead because of American parents and "experts"
my favorite line "Our kids, especially on the girls side, are the high performing future leaders"
Our kids our future little $#its that will be underpaid, locked into dead end jobs that they hate to make money to buy things they don't need. This is why our kids end up so terrible. They grow up thinking they are special because mom told me I would be a future leader. Half of the college students will fail to graduate. Of those that do many will not work in their field or get a job that uses their degree. Of those that do VERY few will actually climb to a that would be describe as a "high performing leader", more likely middle manager at best.
OH and BTW they head the ball in Japan and they are all smarter than your kids
my favorite line "Our kids, especially on the girls side, are the high performing future leaders"
Our kids our future little $#its that will be underpaid, locked into dead end jobs that they hate to make money to buy things they don't need. This is why our kids end up so terrible. They grow up thinking they are special because mom told me I would be a future leader. Half of the college students will fail to graduate. Of those that do many will not work in their field or get a job that uses their degree. Of those that do VERY few will actually climb to a that would be describe as a "high performing leader", more likely middle manager at best.
OH and BTW they head the ball in Japan and they are all smarter than your kids
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Re: No headers
by NoSpinZone 16/03/16, 10:53 am
go99 wrote:so tell me why the entire game should be changed to suit overprotective parents of weak overindulged children? Have a son that is a junior being heavily recruited to go top university with a 4.0 GPA. He seems to have survived all of the years of "head trauma". Maybe he is just made of sterner stuff. Life hurts, kids will get hurt, bad things happen in life. You cannot wrap your kids in bubble wrap and protect them from every little bump. All it really does is turn them into the self entitled, self absorbed, little brats with little ability to stand with a straight spine without mom and dad hand supporting their back. People like to talk about the death of American excellence. It's dead because of American parents and "experts"
my favorite line "Our kids, especially on the girls side, are the high performing future leaders"
Our kids our future little $#its that will be underpaid, locked into dead end jobs that they hate to make money to buy things they don't need. This is why our kids end up so terrible. They grow up thinking they are special because mom told me I would be a future leader. Half of the college students will fail to graduate. Of those that do many will not work in their field or get a job that uses their degree. Of those that do VERY few will actually climb to a that would be describe as a "high performing leader", more likely middle manager at best.
OH and BTW they head the ball in Japan and they are all smarter than your kids
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Re: No headers
by Guest 16/03/16, 11:19 am
go99 wrote:so tell me why the entire game should be changed to suit overprotective parents of weak overindulged children? Have a son that is a junior being heavily recruited to go top university with a 4.0 GPA. He seems to have survived all of the years of "head trauma". Maybe he is just made of sterner stuff. Life hurts, kids will get hurt, bad things happen in life. You cannot wrap your kids in bubble wrap and protect them from every little bump. All it really does is turn them into the self entitled, self absorbed, little brats with little ability to stand with a straight spine without mom and dad hand supporting their back. People like to talk about the death of American excellence. It's dead because of American parents and "experts"
my favorite line "Our kids, especially on the girls side, are the high performing future leaders"
Our kids our future little $#its that will be underpaid, locked into dead end jobs that they hate to make money to buy things they don't need. This is why our kids end up so terrible. They grow up thinking they are special because mom told me I would be a future leader. Half of the college students will fail to graduate. Of those that do many will not work in their field or get a job that uses their degree. Of those that do VERY few will actually climb to a that would be describe as a "high performing leader", more likely middle manager at best.
OH and BTW they head the ball in Japan and they are all smarter than your kids
Congrats to your son. Plenty of kids have 4.0 GPAs and are getting recruited to "top universities". It's not about this my kid is tougher than your kid nonsense. Japan kids may be smart, but you can't say the SOCCER players are smarter than anyone. Go read up on the professions for the japan women players...they're waitresses in their real jobs. The fact you beat your chest about your soccer kid being recruited to a "top university" is just making my point. The top players in other countries aren't going that route, they're sacrificing everything to be a pro, including education from a "top university". The point is, your kid is going to college like everyone else, so did he really need to know how to head a ball at 8 when the medical research is starting to indicate it could affect his brain when he is 30.
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Re: No headers
by Guest 16/03/16, 11:30 am
I read that Will Smith has been cast to play Abby Wambach. I think he call pull it off.
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Re: No headers
by Guest 16/03/16, 11:53 am
In the spirit of March Madness, I say we get everyone to put $1 into a hat... First one to post a video on the forum of a parent screaming "That was a headball, ref!!!" on the sideline of a Primetime game wins the pot... 
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Re: No headers
by slrsoccer 16/03/16, 12:04 pm
"The top players in other countries aren't going that route, they're sacrificing everything to be a pro, including education from a "top university"."
I am not sure that you understand how the models work in other countries. If "sacrificing everything" to be a pro means private schooling, a dedicated medical staff, nutrition and meals, housing (in many cases) and top notch training, then I guess you may be correct. All of this comes at no cost to the kids or parents by the way.
I would suggest to you that kids (and parents) in America make more sacrifices, financially and time, than our counterparts in other parts of the world.
People speak as if every player comes from the slums in Brazil or Africa. There are plenty of suburban kids from all over the world that are in Academy football.
The studies on this are farcical at best and are nearly all speculative. There have been no comparisons that provide any kind of definitive conclusion. There are studies that say running causes more loss of gray brain matter than Alzheimers and MS. The good thing is that that it comes back with sleep and rest.
I am going to see about getting together a class action suit to not allow running in soccer...is anyone interest in joining?
I am not sure that you understand how the models work in other countries. If "sacrificing everything" to be a pro means private schooling, a dedicated medical staff, nutrition and meals, housing (in many cases) and top notch training, then I guess you may be correct. All of this comes at no cost to the kids or parents by the way.
I would suggest to you that kids (and parents) in America make more sacrifices, financially and time, than our counterparts in other parts of the world.
People speak as if every player comes from the slums in Brazil or Africa. There are plenty of suburban kids from all over the world that are in Academy football.
The studies on this are farcical at best and are nearly all speculative. There have been no comparisons that provide any kind of definitive conclusion. There are studies that say running causes more loss of gray brain matter than Alzheimers and MS. The good thing is that that it comes back with sleep and rest.
I am going to see about getting together a class action suit to not allow running in soccer...is anyone interest in joining?
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Re: No headers
by Guest 16/03/16, 12:43 pm
slrsoccer wrote:"The top players in other countries aren't going that route, they're sacrificing everything to be a pro, including education from a "top university"."
I am not sure that you understand how the models work in other countries. If "sacrificing everything" to be a pro means private schooling, a dedicated medical staff, nutrition and meals, housing (in many cases) and top notch training, then I guess you may be correct. All of this comes at no cost to the kids or parents by the way.
You're talking about the tiny fraction of kids that make it into a TOP pro academy...and get to stay. It is not difficult to understand the vast majority of international players don't make it don't have a yellow brick road of "top university" and their parent's money waiting for them.
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I would suggest to you that kids (and parents) in America make more sacrifices, financially and time, than our counterparts in other parts of the world.
People speak as if every player comes from the slums in Brazil or Africa. There are plenty of suburban kids from all over the world that are in Academy football.
There may be rich kids in pro academies. They are exceptions, not the norm. If you have any source to support the idea soccer is a rich kid's sport around the globe - feel free to share.
You've read all the research? You're qualified to deem them farcical because of what again? Your bonafides as an American soccer dad who has watched a thousand youth games? Makes perfect sense.slrsoccer wrote:
The studies on this are farcical at best and are nearly all speculative. There have been no comparisons that provide any kind of definitive conclusion.
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Re: No headers
by 06Southgirl 16/03/16, 01:12 pm
bwgophers wrote:In the spirit of March Madness, I say we get everyone to put $1 into a hat... First one to post a video on the forum of a parent screaming "That was a headball, ref!!!" on the sideline of a Primetime game wins the pot...
It has to be an intentional header. So I will be yelling "that wasn't intentional ref!!!!!
I foresee lots of indirect kicks against my team. And I predict lots of refs messing up and giving direct kicks instead.
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Re: No headers
by Guest 16/03/16, 01:20 pm
06southgirl wrote:bwgophers wrote:In the spirit of March Madness, I say we get everyone to put $1 into a hat... First one to post a video on the forum of a parent screaming "That was a headball, ref!!!" on the sideline of a Primetime game wins the pot...
It has to be an intentional header. So I will be yelling "that wasn't intentional ref!!!!!
I foresee lots of indirect kicks against my team. And I predict lots of refs messing up and giving direct kicks instead.
Why??? Handling is a similar concept, but that doesn't stop the parents from screaming "Handball!!!" any time a ball inadvertently glances off a player's fingernail while they have their hands at their sides...
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Re: No headers
by 06Southgirl 16/03/16, 01:26 pm
bwgophers wrote:06southgirl wrote:bwgophers wrote:In the spirit of March Madness, I say we get everyone to put $1 into a hat... First one to post a video on the forum of a parent screaming "That was a headball, ref!!!" on the sideline of a Primetime game wins the pot...
It has to be an intentional header. So I will be yelling "that wasn't intentional ref!!!!!
I foresee lots of indirect kicks against my team. And I predict lots of refs messing up and giving direct kicks instead.
Why??? Handling is a similar concept, but that doesn't stop the parents from screaming "Handball!!!" any time a ball inadvertently glances off a player's fingernail while they have their hands at their sides...
Because my team will be the guilty ones most likely on this header deal. I am sure the other team will be screaming HEADER just like we hear Handball now:)
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Re: No headers
by SEAOTTER 20/03/16, 06:55 pm
bwgophers wrote:Personally, I think txsoccer.net is all the evidence you need to support lingering brain damage caused from heading the ball too much as kids...
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Re: No headers
by Lakedad 21/03/16, 02:15 pm
SEAOTTER wrote:bwgophers wrote:Personally, I think txsoccer.net is all the evidence you need to support lingering brain damage caused from heading the ball too much as kids...
Did the head hit the ball or did the ball hit the head?
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