04 Girls JDL game scores for March 18th

dreadpirateroberts wrote:So TBhrger/Bud- tell me where in NTX better soccer is being played?  D1?  Arlington? Ur sheep ranch?

Zizou wrote:All these negative comments are identical to when ECNL came on line. If i cannot have or I'm not apart of it's easier to bash and criticize. It boils down to if you think what your doing is best for your DD then carry on, but to criticize those who want more through change and posssibly forward thinking.

AngelinaGoalee wrote:"an" ewe dammit!!

BigErn wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

dreadpirateroberts wrote:I find it fascinating that after what, 8 months, those excluded from JDL continue to use the same glib jabs (no score, doesn't count, meaningless) to knock the league where with the possible exception of one team that should be included and perhaps one not, all the top teams in DFW compete.  I mean this is sour grapes run amuck!  Come watch a match- the soccer is outstanding and the young ladies competing sure feel like it counts/ matters as do their coaches and clubs.
If you want to pick on JDL at least say something with merit like it's damn far away!

The soccer is outstanding?  Maybe between 4 or 5 of the 9 teams.

The funniest part of all of this is that uppity JDL snobs think that anybody who "bashes" the league has a DD on a team that was excluded from JDL.  But most of the people on here who bash it are actually on teams that ARE included in JDL and aren't going to let someone tell us that keeping scores and standings is not good for development.  The subbing rules and the ability to play multiple positions and to not be afraid to lose a game...  

Sorry bud but we are not all sheep like you.

Funniest part huh TBurger?

In the spirit of what you just spewed ^ ...

Most of the posters defending JDL have kids that play on the 4 teams you referenced above.  And we "aren't going to let someone tell us that" participating in a league in which we get to compete against more consistently high level competition is somehow bad for development.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" being able to experiment with unorthodox tactical formations to intentionally put our team in difficult situations to prepare them for future DA/ECNL matches that count isn't good for them.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" playing our kids in multiple positions positions on the field in order create discomfort and increase IQ is a negative.  

Please excuse the run on here, but Holy Jeez TBurger -- Given that you're at the 'Addict' level with over 1k posts, I'd figure you'd have enough soccer knowledge in the bean by now to realize this, and understand that we obviously know that many of you consistent detractors of JDL (and most all of youth soccer in NTX) have kids playing on those teams that are being bashed by our kid's teams.

I hope this doesn't come across as too harsh "Bud".

wazup wrote:

BigErn wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

dreadpirateroberts wrote:I find it fascinating that after what, 8 months, those excluded from JDL continue to use the same glib jabs (no score, doesn't count, meaningless) to knock the league where with the possible exception of one team that should be included and perhaps one not, all the top teams in DFW compete.  I mean this is sour grapes run amuck!  Come watch a match- the soccer is outstanding and the young ladies competing sure feel like it counts/ matters as do their coaches and clubs.
If you want to pick on JDL at least say something with merit like it's damn far away!

The soccer is outstanding?  Maybe between 4 or 5 of the 9 teams.

The funniest part of all of this is that uppity JDL snobs think that anybody who "bashes" the league has a DD on a team that was excluded from JDL.  But most of the people on here who bash it are actually on teams that ARE included in JDL and aren't going to let someone tell us that keeping scores and standings is not good for development.  The subbing rules and the ability to play multiple positions and to not be afraid to lose a game...  

Sorry bud but we are not all sheep like you.

Funniest part huh TBurger?

In the spirit of what you just spewed ^ ...

Most of the posters defending JDL have kids that play on the 4 teams you referenced above.  And we "aren't going to let someone tell us that" participating in a league in which we get to compete against more consistently high level competition is somehow bad for development.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" being able to experiment with unorthodox tactical formations to intentionally put our team in difficult situations to prepare them for future DA/ECNL matches that count isn't good for them.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" playing our kids in multiple positions positions on the field in order create discomfort and increase IQ is a negative.  

Please excuse the run on here, but Holy Jeez TBurger -- Given that you're at the 'Addict' level with over 1k posts, I'd figure you'd have enough soccer knowledge in the bean by now to realize this, and understand that we obviously know that many of you consistent detractors of JDL (and most all of youth soccer in NTX) have kids playing on those teams that are being bashed by our kid's teams.

I hope this doesn't come across as too harsh "Bud".

So - just to be clear - most of the posters who love JDL are on the top 4 teams, and most posters not seeing much of a difference from having a LH D1 are not.  Ummm, besides you little pee pee and the dead pirate, I dont see many lining up embracing JDL this year.

Yes, we all understand your coach was too stupid to mix it up in DI - or your team sucked so bad when the girls were out of their regular position that you were afraid your team would be relegated - which was it?  Because plenty of teams playing LH last year (and this)  were moving girls around in different positions.  O M G - it happens in PPL too!!!

And you rant on the word development?  Its because THAT'S WHAT THE COACHES SOLD.  I know your English skills are limited, but that is what most of these coaches TOLD people - we will better be able to focus on long term development in practice and games without the risk of relegation.  See - it's that stinking word you hate - used by coaches - DEVELOPMENT.

So - let me make it simple - if you tell someone you are selling them a Mr. Goodbar, and it ends up not having nuts, then when they say "Hey, this is just like a Hersheys" you can't tell them to quit dwelling on the nuts.

So - let's make it clear for everyone.

JDL is here to stay
so is DA
everyone can have their own opinion as to the "value" this year
You like JDL
many don't see much difference
others have coaches who are able to move players around that are NOT JDL teams
most don't give a shit

Now stop being such a douche!

wazup wrote:

BigErn wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

dreadpirateroberts wrote:I find it fascinating that after what, 8 months, those excluded from JDL continue to use the same glib jabs (no score, doesn't count, meaningless) to knock the league where with the possible exception of one team that should be included and perhaps one not, all the top teams in DFW compete.  I mean this is sour grapes run amuck!  Come watch a match- the soccer is outstanding and the young ladies competing sure feel like it counts/ matters as do their coaches and clubs.
If you want to pick on JDL at least say something with merit like it's damn far away!

The soccer is outstanding?  Maybe between 4 or 5 of the 9 teams.

The funniest part of all of this is that uppity JDL snobs think that anybody who "bashes" the league has a DD on a team that was excluded from JDL.  But most of the people on here who bash it are actually on teams that ARE included in JDL and aren't going to let someone tell us that keeping scores and standings is not good for development.  The subbing rules and the ability to play multiple positions and to not be afraid to lose a game...  

Sorry bud but we are not all sheep like you.

Funniest part huh TBurger?

In the spirit of what you just spewed ^ ...

Most of the posters defending JDL have kids that play on the 4 teams you referenced above.  And we "aren't going to let someone tell us that" participating in a league in which we get to compete against more consistently high level competition is somehow bad for development.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" being able to experiment with unorthodox tactical formations to intentionally put our team in difficult situations to prepare them for future DA/ECNL matches that count isn't good for them.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" playing our kids in multiple positions positions on the field in order create discomfort and increase IQ is a negative.  

Please excuse the run on here, but Holy Jeez TBurger -- Given that you're at the 'Addict' level with over 1k posts, I'd figure you'd have enough soccer knowledge in the bean by now to realize this, and understand that we obviously know that many of you consistent detractors of JDL (and most all of youth soccer in NTX) have kids playing on those teams that are being bashed by our kid's teams.

I hope this doesn't come across as too harsh "Bud".

Looks like you got a little rattled and felt like you had to change your name to reply.  Sorry about that, but no worries, I got ya --

So - just to be clear - most of the posters who love JDL are on the top 4 teams, and most posters not seeing much of a difference from having a LH D1 are not.  Ummm, besides you little pee pee and the dead pirate, I dont see many lining up embracing JDL this year.  

Absolutely ... I think it'd be very accurate to say that those that have had a positive experience at JDL are from the stronger teams -- just common sense.  I wouldn't know about the others that aren't seeing a difference, although it is peculiar that one couldn't see a difference simply by looking at the teams that are participating vs those that aren't. You're stating the obvious that many aren't embracing it ... I wouldn't either if I were you.

Yes, we all understand your coach was too stupid to mix it up in DI - or your team sucked so bad when the girls were out of their regular position that you were afraid your team would be relegated - which was it?  Because plenty of teams playing LH last year (and this)  were moving girls around in different positions.  O M G - it happens in PPL too!!!  

This is good stuff ^.  You know who my kid plays for ... to call our coach stupid makes you look like the imbecile (especially since you have no knowledge of how LHGCL handled the delivery of JDL).  Our girls wouldn't know the meaning of relegation.  And what is the PPL I keep seeing mentioned?

And you rant on the word development?  Its because THAT'S WHAT THE COACHES SOLD.  I know your English skills are limited, but that is what most of these coaches TOLD people - we will better be able to focus on long term development in practice and games without the risk of relegation.  See - it's that stinking word you hate - used by coaches - DEVELOPMENT.

You're not going to believe me, but I am sincerely sorry that you and your daughter seem to have been lied to by a coach.  I love the word development of course because I am a coach, and have made my living in the sport.  I know the ins and outs of club marketing and what coaches say.  In the case of JDL, most were given 'fluid' information and were simply made to be the messenger.  It's amusing that many of you believe that these coaches intentionally lied to bait you and your daughter to come over.  If that was the case, they wouldn't have used a start up unknown as the bait.  I can tell you that zero of the families on my daughters team or anyone I know on the top four were "sold" on anything ... Once again -- it seems like that contention comes from the have nots

So - let me make it simple - if you tell someone you are selling them a Mr. Goodbar, and it ends up not having nuts, then when they say "Hey, this is just like a Hersheys" you can't tell them to quit dwelling on the nuts.

Maybe my "English skills are limited", but it seems that you made it more complex ... just can't find the relevance to your argument in this one.

So - let's make it clear for everyone.

JDL is here to stay (50-50)
so is DA (absolutely)
everyone can have their own opinion as to the "value" this year (common sense)
You like JDL (not as much as you might think ... just enjoy pointing out the truth to those that don't know)
many don't see much difference (understandable)
others have coaches who are able to move players around that are NOT JDL teams (again ... common sense)
most don't give a shit (these are the have nots I mentioned)

Now stop being such a douche!

BigErn wrote:

wazup wrote:

BigErn wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

dreadpirateroberts wrote:I find it fascinating that after what, 8 months, those excluded from JDL continue to use the same glib jabs (no score, doesn't count, meaningless) to knock the league where with the possible exception of one team that should be included and perhaps one not, all the top teams in DFW compete.  I mean this is sour grapes run amuck!  Come watch a match- the soccer is outstanding and the young ladies competing sure feel like it counts/ matters as do their coaches and clubs.
If you want to pick on JDL at least say something with merit like it's damn far away!

The soccer is outstanding?  Maybe between 4 or 5 of the 9 teams.

The funniest part of all of this is that uppity JDL snobs think that anybody who "bashes" the league has a DD on a team that was excluded from JDL.  But most of the people on here who bash it are actually on teams that ARE included in JDL and aren't going to let someone tell us that keeping scores and standings is not good for development.  The subbing rules and the ability to play multiple positions and to not be afraid to lose a game...  

Sorry bud but we are not all sheep like you.

Funniest part huh TBurger?

In the spirit of what you just spewed ^ ...

Most of the posters defending JDL have kids that play on the 4 teams you referenced above.  And we "aren't going to let someone tell us that" participating in a league in which we get to compete against more consistently high level competition is somehow bad for development.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" being able to experiment with unorthodox tactical formations to intentionally put our team in difficult situations to prepare them for future DA/ECNL matches that count isn't good for them.  We "aren't going to let someone tell us that" playing our kids in multiple positions positions on the field in order create discomfort and increase IQ is a negative.  

Please excuse the run on here, but Holy Jeez TBurger -- Given that you're at the 'Addict' level with over 1k posts, I'd figure you'd have enough soccer knowledge in the bean by now to realize this, and understand that we obviously know that many of you consistent detractors of JDL (and most all of youth soccer in NTX) have kids playing on those teams that are being bashed by our kid's teams.

I hope this doesn't come across as too harsh "Bud".

Looks like you got a little rattled and felt like you had to change your name to reply.  Sorry about that, but no worries, I got ya --

So - just to be clear - most of the posters who love JDL are on the top 4 teams, and most posters not seeing much of a difference from having a LH D1 are not.  Ummm, besides you little pee pee and the dead pirate, I dont see many lining up embracing JDL this year.  

Absolutely ... I think it'd be very accurate to say that those that have had a positive experience at JDL are from the stronger teams -- just common sense.  I wouldn't know about the others that aren't seeing a difference, although it is peculiar that one couldn't see a difference simply by looking at the teams that are participating vs those that aren't. You're stating the obvious that many aren't embracing it ... I wouldn't either if I were you.

Yes, we all understand your coach was too stupid to mix it up in DI - or your team sucked so bad when the girls were out of their regular position that you were afraid your team would be relegated - which was it?  Because plenty of teams playing LH last year (and this)  were moving girls around in different positions.  O M G - it happens in PPL too!!!  

This is good stuff ^.  You know who my kid plays for ... to call our coach stupid makes you look like the imbecile (especially since you have no knowledge of how LHGCL handled the delivery of JDL).  Our girls wouldn't know the meaning of relegation.  And what is the PPL I keep seeing mentioned?

And you rant on the word development?  Its because THAT'S WHAT THE COACHES SOLD.  I know your English skills are limited, but that is what most of these coaches TOLD people - we will better be able to focus on long term development in practice and games without the risk of relegation.  See - it's that stinking word you hate - used by coaches - DEVELOPMENT.

You're not going to believe me, but I am sincerely sorry that you and your daughter seem to have been lied to by a coach.  I love the word development of course because I am a coach, and have made my living in the sport.  I know the ins and outs of club marketing and what coaches say.  In the case of JDL, most were given 'fluid' information and were simply made to be the messenger.  It's amusing that many of you believe that these coaches intentionally lied to bait you and your daughter to come over.  If that was the case, they wouldn't have used a start up unknown as the bait.  I can tell you that zero of the families on my daughters team or anyone I know on the top four were "sold" on anything ... Once again -- it seems like that contention comes from the have nots

So - let me make it simple - if you tell someone you are selling them a Mr. Goodbar, and it ends up not having nuts, then when they say "Hey, this is just like a Hersheys" you can't tell them to quit dwelling on the nuts.

Maybe my "English skills are limited", but it seems that you made it more complex ... just can't find the relevance to your argument in this one.

So - let's make it clear for everyone.

JDL is here to stay (50-50)
so is DA (absolutely)
everyone can have their own opinion as to the "value" this year (common sense)
You like JDL (not as much as you might think ... just enjoy pointing out the truth to those that don't know)
many don't see much difference (understandable)
others have coaches who are able to move players around that are NOT JDL teams (again ... common sense)
most don't give a shit (these are the have nots I mentioned)

Now stop being such a douche!

It seems that anyone providing objective thought based on actual knowledge on this forum really irritates those of you that more often use it for unproductive (for the rest of us) venting of frustration ... that sucks.

TatonkaBurger wrote:Come on Big Ern, nothing you say is going to scare anyone away from this forum or make them change their username.  You have mentioned maybe once or twice that you are a coach so you are obviously the expert.  But in the end it is all just your opinion.  I have my opinions about NTX soccer and JDL and express them on this forum.  

Gosh I hope I haven't scared anyone.  Go back and have a look -- I do a decent job of providing very little opinion ... mostly concrete and objective for informational purpose.

I loved the idea of JDL when it started.  The best way for the best players in NTX to continue to improve and develop is to play each other week in and week out.  Making standings and winning less important to open the way for an emphasis on development is all great in theory.  But, in NTX where it is all about winning and always has been, and because of the politics within the clubs, the big 4/5 could not deliver on what they attempted to create.  The power play to get all of the best players to move to those clubs did not work.  Only your beloved FC Dallas can boast of assembling 2 really good teams.  The others cannot. Texans chose a much weaker second team and D'Feeters did not even have a second team.  So the big clubs failed to create an elite league even before it got started.  

For the most part I couldn't agree more ... first year of JDL has been marginal at best.  I imagine that this is the case for most start up leagues in their first year.  As I mentioned many times before, some of the clubs and coaches did not and have not bought in.  If it does survive, I'd bet LHGCL will improve the league in the long run.  While I do like FCD and love our coach, I'm a fan of other clubs and many coaches outside of FCD ... have kids at Solar as well.

And that made the emphasis on no standings, no scores reported and the alleged freedom to move around players formationally and tactically that much more ridiculous.  Tell me, did LW experiment with where his girls played and what formation he used when you played and lost to DT South 2-0 over the weekend or does that only occur when you play one of the weaker teams and can win 7-0?  My guess is the latter.  

As I've mentioned, the JDL's allure is more than just the movement of players -- it's playing higher level competition more consistently ... this is not an opinion.  And yes ... LW absolutely had players moving around in different positions last weekend -- even brought in a few Blue players which got a lot of time.  DTS is a fine team but we allowed some chances that we normally do not due to this movement.

I have spent 43 years of my life playing, watching, coaching (rec), and now cheering at soccer games.  I am no expert but in my humble opinion, the league did not deliver on what it was supposed to be.  I say that not because my DD is not part of the league, not because she is on the best team in JDL, not because she is on the worst team in JDL, not because she scores 80% of the goals on her team, and not because she only sees 10 minutes a half.  I say that because that is what I see.  I hope the 05s and 06s can fix it next year because it has failed their age groups too.  In a few years, maybe the league will actually look like what was intended.  We can only hope.

Yessir!  Really need Texans to embrace the league a bit more.

I am a part of the NTX soccer community and this forum is for us to express opinions.  To say that JDL is the greatest league around is not true.  Is there a better league around?  Of course not but that does not cover up its shortcomings nor should they be ignored.  And to claim that the only people who complain about it or criticize it do it because they are not in it or are on a JDL bad team is not true.  It was a great idea but it didnt' deliver.  

Again ... couldn't agree more.

So that is my beef.  It is not jealousy.  It is not because I like one club over the others.  It is also not a pity party.  My DD will be fine no matter what happens with JDL.  The good news for the 04s is that we only have one year of it.

TatonkaBurger wrote:I am no expert but in my humble opinion, the league did not deliver on what it was supposed to be.

Mijo wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:I am no expert but in my humble opinion, the league did not deliver on what it was supposed to be.

The league delivered.  It's the parents and coaches who did not deliver. I don't believe its the league director who is on here posting scores.  Once scores started being requested on the forum, the coaches had no choice but to go back to the ol play to win system.  That's to debate if it even changed at all during those first few games, which then goes back to the coaches playing for wins and not development.