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Dangling fool's gold.
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Just another reason why academics are more important than soccer. Holy moly people.
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Every business (even non profits) are all about making money.. If you can't make money, there is no reason spend time/money/effort to do it.
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TxFutbal wrote:The pay to play exists in every country. The business model is just different. Instead of parents paying for the kids to play, those other countries parents are paying Jerry Jones prices for beer, a seat, and fan experience to watch the flagship team play in the various soccer leagues. The only difference is it's in the name of socialism because the "scholarships" (ie kids playing for free) come out of the corporate bucket. In the US, the parents pay for their kid directly to play soccer instead of buying season tickets to FCD. The clubs still provide "scholarships" but the model is not so much blatant socialism... Kids receiving financial help in most cases truly need the help and it's the community banding together to help each other out in a more direct way.
Every business (even non profits) are all about making money.. If you can't make money, there is no reason spend time/money/effort to do it.
Your are correct. However, what you fail to identify is how the difference in the source of the money leads to differences in the focus of the clubs. In both cases, the clubs actions are driven by what it will take to keep the revenue stream coming in, and hopefully, to increase the revenue stream.
In the case where the money is being spent on tickets, concessions, souvenir jerseys, etc., the onus is on the club to do what it takes to keep those revenue streams alive, which is done by spending money wisely to identify, cultivate, and develop talented players that can be used as club assets, either by generating revenue by playing for the team that people pay to watch, or by being sold to other clubs.
In the case where the money is being spent by the individual families on their children, then the club is going to focus on identifying players whose families can afford to pay, and then figuring out what they have to do keep those individual families "happy" so that they will keep paying. That leads to a soccer landscape where kids from lower economic status are naturally under-represented, along with an unbalanced focus on winning over development at the youth levels.
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For kids who need help financially that don't have the ability there is a low cost alternative called rec soccer.
I think it's the norm rather than the exception that coaches routinely scour the rec fields/middle schools/high schools looking for the 1 or 2 kids that will take their team from OK to a state cup contender. They will do whatever it takes financially to make that happen. Tell me I am wrong on this?
Again, I don't see much difference in the system the US uses vs. the rest of the world except the number of kids playing in the US is probably not as high as the rest of the world. I would also say that the rest of the world may encourage unstructured play vs the US where kids figure out the game of soccer on their own vs the development approach the US uses which is to boil it down so much that the kids don't have to think.
Soccer is as much about thought process and creative problem solving as it is about athleticism and fitness. Unfortunately we put more value in athleticism/size that we do about thinking/creativity.
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+1ProDallas wrote:It is an interesting and timely article. However, articles like this making the same points are written and published all the time. What this, and the many other articles like it, lacks are clear insights into solutions to the challenges outlined. I would encourage Mr. Cook to research and provide a follow-up piece focused on solutions to each of the challenges he outlined.
If he's so passionate about this cause, I encourage Mr. Cook to meet those kids at his son's school and introduce them to some club teams in their community. There's a lot of teams in the Chicagoland area where his bio says he's from. In general, all the people with opinions about soccer in America need to focus their energy on solutions rather than writing the same old articles about everything that's wrong. We all know clubs provide financial support to talented players who need help.
Meanwhile, all we can do as parents is provide our own DDs with the best opportunities to grow in the game and maximize their potential. And, if we see kids with what we perceive to be great talent, though from families without financial means, we can certainly help steer them to the clubs that provide financial aid if we feel so inclined.
I've seen the same article multiple times a year on different publications, but as you point out... No solutions. It's no different that government politics. All pointing to blame but no solutions.
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TxFutbal wrote:You make a valid point. A question. Has a club ever denied a scholarship to a player in need that had the ability to play at the level the club needed her to play?
Yes. Clubs have a limit as to how many kids they can scholarship and remain break-even or profitable. If the kid is a clear standout, and they have a clear financial situation, then they will get a scholarship. However, if a kid is good, but does not necessary stand out from others in the group, the kid from the group who can afford to pay will be the one that ends up on the team. I can say with a high level of confidence, that the majority of GDA, ECNL, and LH teams have 0 scholarship players on them, and the ones that do, have no more than 1 player on scholarship. I would be shocked if the % of those teams with >1 scholarship player is above 5%. I've been a TM multiple years, and have several friends who have been TM's. Scholarships, especially on the girls side, happen less than most people think, especially at the big clubs.
TxFutbal wrote:For kids who need help financially that don't have the ability there is a low cost alternative called rec soccer.
Correct, and along with it goes generally inferior coaching and competition that will stunt the development of such a player vs a similar player that has access to better training and competition.
TxFutbal wrote:I think it's the norm rather than the exception that coaches routinely scour the rec fields/middle schools/high schools looking for the 1 or 2 kids that will take their team from OK to a state cup contender. They will do whatever it takes financially to make that happen. Tell me I am wrong on this?
You are wrong on the coaches spending time scouring rec fields, middle schools, high schools, especially in lower income neighborhoods, and especially looking for female players. Most just advertise and wait for players to show up at their tryouts/practices. You are correct that they will do whatever it takes to help the "special" player with financial hardships, but they are not spending significant time or $$ to find them, they are mostly waiting for them to show up on their doorstep, or be identified through families already on their team(s).
TxFutbal wrote:Again, I don't see much difference in the system the US uses vs. the rest of the world except the number of kids playing in the US is probably not as high as the rest of the world. I would also say that the rest of the world may encourage unstructured play vs the US where kids figure out the game of soccer on their own vs the development approach the US uses which is to boil it down so much that the kids don't have to think.
Soccer is as much about thought process and creative problem solving as it is about athleticism and fitness. Unfortunately we put more value in athleticism/size that we do about thinking/creativity.
% of kids playing in the US is smaller, but total number of kids is actually higher in the US than most of the countries that just competed in the World Cup. Your points on unstructured play and developing creativity and problem solving are likely valid, but frankly, I disagree with much of the rest of your response.
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The mid size clubs and the Indies I guarantee are out at the rec fields and using the network to find players the bigs don't catch I will also surmise the bigs don't have to scholarship as much at the club level. The teams may shoulder some of that burden where there is a need.
The mids and Indies have a much larger allocation of their budgets to scholarships. I know of many ECNL players on full rides at the non big 3 clubs, and know in many circumstances where players in LH/APL/PPL that need help get help.
Not every club is like those who wear Red, Blue, or Red/White/Blue jerseys, but then again, most clubs don't have the overhead that the big 3 have.. Gotta pay for those fancy complexes, marketing salaries, and for all those coaches who are primarily focused on selling the dream to get the most $$ out of the parent wallet.
It would be interesting to see the detail financial statements for the big 3 non-profit clubs vs the financials for the mids/indies. My guess is they are vastly different in where money is spent.
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TxFutbal wrote: I know of many ECNL players on full rides at the non big 3 clubs
I sincerely challenge you on that, but there's honestly no way for either of us to prove the other wrong on here. I'll grant you "a few", but definitely not "many". Again, rarely more than 1 player on a roster of 16-20. Have been at 4 of the 5 ECNL clubs over the years. If you've been a TM at any of those 5 clubs, you know that team finances aren't set up at those clubs to accommodate multiple scholarship players on a roster, even at the ECNL level.
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The articles are clear on who is responsible for the decline of US soccer. All other conversations are meaningless.
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