Re: FCD DA vs Solar DA '05

by BWGophers 18/02/20, 10:31 pm

PLAYERONE wrote:Respect to those players, but you are dusting some old books off of that shelf reciting examples of players thst were born in the last century. I can tell your an old dad, time to move on playa. Your 02/03 examples are publicly known and obvious. Beyond that you don’t know. Time to move on old playa

You're correct. I don't know squat about anything beyond the '03's and I admit it. At least I have the common sense and humility to speak to only what I know and make it clear when I don't know.

However, carry on spouting off about things you have no clue about. It really helps with your credibility.

I'll use my walker to get over to my rascal and scoot on out of this thread now...

by Big Ern 18/02/20, 10:40 pm

soccerphreak wrote:interesting observation when comparing DA rosters of Solar and FCD and where these "best of the best" were originally/primarily developed (ie, U12 & younger).

Hint: generally, not the clubs they are currently on.

Solar 05 GDA:
#1: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#2: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#3: Texans and Florida
#4: Liverpool (Adam Flynn)
#5: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#7: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#10 DTS (Gabe Adames, and both parents who were professional soccer players)
#11: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#12: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#13: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#16: Sting (Daniel Diaz)
#17: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#20: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#22: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#23: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#55: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)

----

FCD 05 GDA:
#1: Andromeda
#2: Nashville, TN
#3: Houston Dash
#6: Sting (Audrey Gutierrez)
#7: FCD
#8: Liverpool and Solar (Tahlon Drake & Chris Pulpaneck)
#9: Sting (Daniel Diaz & Audrey Gutierrez)
#10: Lady Aztecs (Jaime Arnold)
#11: Kicks/Solar (Juan Martinez & Matt Colvin)
#13: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)
#19: D'Feeters (Babak Abouzar & Frank Colon)
#21: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#22: FCD
#24: Texans
#25: FCD
#44: Kicks/D'Feeters

So, for Solar, only 2 players developed from within, and for FCD, only 3.

Looks like clear winners in development are: Gabe Adames, Juan Martinez, and Chris Pulpaneck.

I would invite any corrections/amendments as I might not have every history perfectly detailed.

Per usual (although it's been too long Sir), Bdub is the steady voice of reason here.

But holy hell phreak (thanks for the invite btw) ... I mean, MYYY GOODNESS son ... Couldn't get much further from the truthiness could ya now?

Shocked

by PLAYERONE 19/02/20, 08:26 am

05DD wrote:
BWGophers wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity. for Elite players. I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.
I would add JS to this list as well. So which club wants to take credit for her development?

JS is a solar player. When you look up her credentials it says Dallas Solar. That was easy and yet another example of Solar and FCD

by PLAYERONE 19/02/20, 08:30 am

I also wanted to take a moment and pause to give thanks to Sting, DF, and Texans for developing ALL 24 FCD and Solar players in the USNTC. Keep them coming. Maybe you will manage to keep one, maybe just one.

Can I get a hallelujah??

by Big Ern 19/02/20, 09:01 am

PLAYERONE wrote:
05DD wrote:
BWGophers wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity. for Elite players. I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.
I would add JS to this list as well. So which club wants to take credit for her development?

JS is a solar player. When you look up her credentials it says Dallas Solar. That was easy and yet another example of Solar and FCD

Uh oh Rexie ... I don't think this one's got the distance ... Wink

Not even close to what DoubleD was lobbing in here Sir.

by NoSpinZone 19/02/20, 09:25 am

PLAYERONE wrote:I also wanted to take a moment and pause to give thanks to Sting, DF, and Texans for developing ALL 24 FCD and Solar players in the USNTC. Keep them coming. Maybe you will manage to keep one, maybe just one.

Can I get a hallelujah??

PlayerNone, you still giving Missing Sense reach arounds? Where your boy toy at these days?

by KeeperCommander 19/02/20, 10:48 am

soccerphreak wrote:interesting observation when comparing DA rosters of Solar and FCD and where these "best of the best" were originally/primarily developed (ie, U12 & younger).

Hint: generally, not the clubs they are currently on.

Solar 05 GDA:
#1: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#2: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#3: Texans and Florida
#4: Liverpool (Adam Flynn)
#5: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#7: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#10 DTS (Gabe Adames, and both parents who were professional soccer players)
#11: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#12: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#13: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#16: Sting (Daniel Diaz)
#17: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#20: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#22: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#23: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#55: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)

----

FCD 05 GDA:
#1: Andromeda
#2: Nashville, TN
#3: Houston Dash
#6: Sting (Audrey Gutierrez)
#7: FCD
#8: Liverpool and Solar (Tahlon Drake & Chris Pulpaneck)
#9: Sting (Daniel Diaz & Audrey Gutierrez)
#10: Lady Aztecs (Jaime Arnold)
#11: Kicks/Solar (Juan Martinez & Matt Colvin)
#13: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)
#19: D'Feeters (Babak Abouzar & Frank Colon)
#21: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#22: FCD
#24: Texans
#25: FCD
#44: Kicks/D'Feeters

So, for Solar, only 2 players developed from within, and for FCD, only 3.

Looks like clear winners in development are: Gabe Adames, Juan Martinez, and Chris Pulpaneck.

I would invite any corrections/amendments as I might not have every history perfectly detailed.

Don’t know of #1 for Solar ever playing for JM, maybe at a very young age though. I thought she was DFeeters.

by KeeperCommander 19/02/20, 10:53 am

PLAYERONE wrote:
05DD wrote:
BWGophers wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity. for Elite players. I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.
I would add JS to this list as well. So which club wants to take credit for her development?

JS is a solar player. When you look up her credentials it says Dallas Solar. That was easy and yet another example of Solar and FCD

If you have to “look it up” prob best to not comment on it. Most are speaking to knowing where a player was or is.

by PLAYERONE 19/02/20, 10:57 am

JS has been at FCD/Solar for the last 5 years.

But the rats keep fighting for crumbs over there.

by AngelinaGoalee 19/02/20, 11:02 am

PLAYERONE wrote:JS has been at FCD/Solar for the last 5 years.

But the rats keep fighting for crumbs over there.

You sound stupid

by PLAYERONE 19/02/20, 11:35 am

Last 5 years of JS:
03 SRSA/Pulp: 2 years
FCD 04: 2 years.
Solar 02/03 1 year and now

100% FACT

by 05DD 19/02/20, 12:04 pm

PLAYERONE wrote:Last 5 years of JS:
03 SRSA/Pulp: 2 years -1 year
FCD 04: 2 years.
Solar 02/03 1 year and now - this year

100% FACT

Fixed it for you

by Big Ern 19/02/20, 12:13 pm

05DD wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:Last 5 years of JS:
03 SRSA/Pulp: 2 years -1 year
FCD 04: 2 years.
Solar 02/03 1 year and now - this year

100% FACT
Fixed it for you

Thank you DoubleD! That ^ and (for those of us that have known her since she was a tyke) she was famously known as a "minivan changing room" kid, playing for 2-3 different clubs on any given Saturday at U10 and younger. JS has grown up training under many of the best NTX has to offer, and amongst the best talent ... As it should be --

by yank 19/02/20, 12:53 pm

@Big Ern- "JS has grown up training under many of the best NTX has to offer, and amongst the best talent ... As it should be --"

I think you hit the nail on the head with this statement. So much of this stuff is territorial & ego driven nonsense.
While you definitely need to have organization and structure to avoid chaos. The JS model is one where a "talented" kid has been able grow and evolve her game in a positive direction.

People seemingly try to minimize the value of having lots of game experience with multiple coaching & developmental styles.

I think she has benefited tremendously from this because she can now adapt to almost any preferred style of play and because she has played with so many different girls(and boys) she now has the skill of being able to quickly adapt in an unfamiliar environment.

As opposed to trying to point to ONE person is that developed these kids, lets celebrate all of the coaches who had a hand in developing the ecosystem of players regardless of where they play currently.

What is lost in all of this is the individual trainers and parents who have a big role in driving the right development track for the girls.

by Soccerates01 19/02/20, 09:31 pm

Change is good every couple of years. Teaches you adaptability and for someone as good as JS. It worked great. What made her who she is today is her parents and trainers that help her behind the scenes even to this day . These clubs are just carriers giving opportunities to showcase her talent and getting exposure.
I would suggest to most parents to get out of comfort zone and challenge your girls . It will be beneficial in longer run.

Big Ern wrote:
05DD wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:Last 5 years of JS:
03 SRSA/Pulp: 2 years -1 year
FCD 04: 2 years.
Solar 02/03 1 year and now - this year

100% FACT
Fixed it for you

Thank you DoubleD! That ^ and (for those of us that have known her since she was a tyke) she was famously known as a "minivan changing room" kid, playing for 2-3 different clubs on any given Saturday at U10 and younger. JS has grown up training under many of the best NTX has to offer, and amongst the best talent ... As it should be --

by jm23jm 20/02/20, 07:33 am

PLAYERONE wrote:Nope, SM has been at Solar for 3 plus years. How far are we going back here? She didn’t reach national prominence (USGNT) as well as receive all of the D1 offers until she went to solar.

So again I will ask why did she move then? Why leave such a great coach, club, and dynamic training program?

Kind of like saying Portugal Sporting CP was responsible for developing Ronaldo CR7.

Since you like sticking to FACTS I’ll fix it for you. SM has been with Solar 2 plus years. She was on YNT while on Kicks for 3 years. To say she didn’t reach national prominence (USGNT) as well as receive all of the D1 offers until she went to Solar is false propaganda. Just about every school in the nation was contacting me to setup college visits with SM. She was receiving offers early in her freshman year and I specifically advised SM and parents to take their time.

Why did she leave? She was compelled to move. The coach was not great just someone who cared and wanted to help her. Club was small and there was no dynamic training program. Just focused on fundamentals, decision making and trying to provide a great training environment.

by jm23jm 20/02/20, 07:49 am

PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

One out of thousand players I’ve coached? I have 3 kids and coached all 3 of their teams. I also coached 05 boys Bc I put my son early into soccer. The boys grew on me so I continued coaching them until U11. JS also played on this boys team amongst other teams and trainers that poured into her.
That team split and is now Herrera and Carillo 04 and 05, both will be playing in Dallas Cup. Coach Mario and Albert have done amazing things with those boys. The highlight is 05’s winning Dallas Cup last year.

I also coached our ecnl 07 team for one year after age pure split before Michael Bones took over.

I no longer coach. I was blessed to have coached about 200-250 kids in my 15 yrs. I think several of them have done well and continue making big things happen. There was only one SM. That talent is rare. For me personally the character they have is what I’m most proud of.

by AngelinaGoalee 20/02/20, 10:22 am

Way to set the record straight without slighting anyone else #CLASS

by BWGophers 20/02/20, 10:32 am

jm23jm wrote:I no longer coach.

That's a shame, and a loss to the kids, as you are better at it than the vast majority of those who pull a paycheck for it here in NTX.

Best of luck in realizing your vision for a couple of your "side projects", as they will clearly have a significant positive impact in some undersupported and underserved communities in DFW.

by Truthiness 20/02/20, 11:34 am

PLAYERONE wrote:Nope, SM has been at Solar for 3 plus years. How far are we going back here? She didn’t reach national prominence (USGNT) as well as receive all of the D1 offers until she went to solar.

So again I will ask why did she move then? Why leave such a great coach, club, and dynamic training program?

Kind of like saying Portugal Sporting CP was responsible for developing Ronaldo CR7.

Not only are you quite wrong about pretty much everything you think you know about SM, but Ronaldo was at Sporting CP from age 12 until he eventually was sold to Man U at age 18. If you're going to try and give a club credit for developing him into the player he became, Sporting would certainly have to be the first name on the list, no?

by 5050Ball 20/02/20, 01:27 pm

05DD wrote:
BWGophers wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity. for Elite players. I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.
I would add JS to this list as well. So which club wants to take credit for her development?

The twins are raising their hands.......and mom

by KeeperCommander 20/02/20, 01:31 pm

5050Ball wrote:
05DD wrote:
BWGophers wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity. for Elite players. I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.
I would add JS to this list as well. So which club wants to take credit for her development?

The twins are raising their hands.......and mom

Ha! 80% of the folks on here don’t know who the twins are much less give them credit. Would agree wholeheartedly though.

by AngelinaGoalee 20/02/20, 01:43 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
5050Ball wrote:
05DD wrote:
BWGophers wrote:
PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity. for Elite players. I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.
I would add JS to this list as well. So which club wants to take credit for her development?

The twins are raising their hands.......and mom
Ha! 80% of the folks on here don’t know who the twins are much less give them credit. Would agree wholeheartedly though.

Esteban and Manuel Mariel at City Futsal...lets at least be adult about it and respect that they have names.

by Straighttalk 06/03/20, 02:43 am

Solar Roster:
60% of the current Solar U15 DA roster were Texans before Adames ditched the Texans last year.
Same is true about 06s.
Most of the 03s, 04s made a switch from Texans to Solar as well.

FCD Roster:
#21, # 24 were with fcd , jumped to Kicks for a few years and are back at fcd. That is the norm in club soccer. You find the right winning team. The fun fact is there are only 3 bred DA players and 2 of them warm the bench pretty good. FCD has always been a revolving door and suck at player development.

soccerphreak wrote:interesting observation when comparing DA rosters of Solar and FCD and where these "best of the best" were originally/primarily developed (ie, U12 & younger).

Hint: generally, not the clubs they are currently on.

Solar 05 GDA:
#1: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#2: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#3: Texans and Florida
#4: Liverpool (Adam Flynn)
#5: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#7: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#10 DTS (Gabe Adames, and both parents who were professional soccer players)
#11: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#12: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#13: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#16: Sting (Daniel Diaz)
#17: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#20: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#22: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#23: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#55: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)

----

FCD 05 GDA:
#1: Andromeda
#2: Nashville, TN
#3: Houston Dash
#6: Sting (Audrey Gutierrez)
#7: FCD
#8: Liverpool and Solar (Tahlon Drake & Chris Pulpaneck)
#9: Sting (Daniel Diaz & Audrey Gutierrez)
#10: Lady Aztecs (Jaime Arnold)
#11: Kicks/Solar (Juan Martinez & Matt Colvin)
#13: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)
#19: D'Feeters (Babak Abouzar & Frank Colon)
#21: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#22: FCD
#24: Texans
#25: FCD
#44: Kicks/D'Feeters

So, for Solar, only 2 players developed from within, and for FCD, only 3.

Looks like clear winners in development are: Gabe Adames, Juan Martinez, and Chris Pulpaneck.

I would invite any corrections/amendments as I might not have every history perfectly detailed.

by PLAYERONE 06/03/20, 08:52 am

The above is a great testimony that the cream rises to the top. All of the best players have and will always go to FCD and Solar when players are about 12 for these 2 05 teams are clearly the best in the area and by far.

by PLAYERONE 06/03/20, 09:06 am

The same can be said for the 06 and 07 landscape. So if your an 08 or later and consider yourself a top player and not at FCD or Solar. LEAVE NOW!!!

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