2019-2020 DA and ECNL Teams

[quote="anothercrazysoccerdad"][quote="sprint"][quote="anothercrazysoccerdad"][quote="sprint"][quote="Big Ern"] If you know mama, you'd be expecting a few issues to arise when J isn't the best player on the field the majority of the time.[/quote]

She wont have to worry about that as J will be the best player on the field even with the other two. [/quote]

J is a great player, but slow your roll on that one.
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We will see, but she will most likely be the one outshining the rest.  There isn't enough room for three stars on one team, as most seem to agree with, and she will be the dominate player.  [/quote]

I have no dog in this fight, but I have seen all 3 of these girls/teams play quite a bit the last few years.  Have you watched the 2 Solar girls play?  I think the 2 Solar 03 top players on this team have played in 4 National Championship games in the last 4 years and won 2 of them.  [/quote]

no dog in the fight either and yes have seen all of them play a lot. J is the best in my book and she is always charging to get better. Playing up in National Teams and carrying U19 teams while a few years younger in the DA playoffs. It will be an interesting dynamic for sure but when the dust settles I would bet on her to go the farthest on the National Stage,(senior National team).

Texans vs FCD this weekend. Let’s see what the locals have done this off season.

While FCD has the superior facilities, I'd take Solar's slate of coaches on the girls side from academy thru U18/19 over FCD. I wonder which is more important in a soccer player's development?

Shivas wrote:While FCD has the superior facilities, I'd take Solar's slate of coaches on the girls side from academy thru U18/19 over FCD.  I wonder which is more important in a soccer player's development?

That’s a pretty good perspective.

Shivas wrote:While FCD has the superior facilities, I'd take Solar's slate of coaches on the girls side from academy thru U18/19 over FCD.  I wonder which is more important in a soccer player's development?

I'm picking up on your sarcasm there shivas and completely agree that coaching is of extreme importance (and the only thing of relevance in this particular convo) when it comes to the 'd' word, but ...

Solar - S Adames, J Bates, B Williams and A Solca

vs

FCD - D Mariscal, C Ring, M Grubb and the Gordons

Not sure that'd be a runaway in favor of Solar ... would it?  

Yes, there was a bit of sarcasm in there, but it wasn't meant to demean FCD's DA program. Its top notch. I also agree that if we are talking DA coaches only, it's pretty close. From my chair, I'd say Solar has the top and bottom coach on that list.

But my post was regarding the broader
coaching staff on the girls side. Solar is/was much more competitive in ECNL and I think it is because they have the better staff. Particularly prior to select, I think Solar has deeper talent in their elite teams than FCD does, and I think Solar is better at developing their top young players because of their coaches. It's going to pay off going forward.

Many coaches touch a player before she gets to DA. And yes, while the current DA staffs are comparable, I think Solar has the clear edge overall. Just one man's opinion.

Shivas wrote:Yes, there was a bit of sarcasm in there, but it wasn't meant to demean FCD's DA program.  Its top notch.  I also agree that if we are talking DA coaches only, it's pretty close.  From my chair, I'd say Solar has the top and bottom coach on that list.

But my post was regarding the broader girls coaching staff on the girls side.  Solar is/was much more competitive in ECNL and I think it is because they have the better staff.  Particularly prior to select, I think Solar has deeper talent in their elite teams than FCD does, and I think Solar is better at developing their top young players because of their coaches.  It's going to pay off going forward.  

Many coaches touch a player before she gets to DA.  And yes, while the current DA staffs are comparable, I think Solar has the clear edge overall.  Just one man's opinion.

And it's a respectable opinion shivas --

I agree that all inclusive, top to bottom Solar have more quality coaches and kids on the girl's side.  However, given what I know of all of the coaches I mentioned for both in the GDA, FCD has the edge there both when it comes to coaching, and kids (outside of U17 of course).

And you're absolutely right with your, "Particularly prior to select, I think Solar has deeper talent in their elite teams than FCD does", but the, "Many coaches touch a player before she gets to DA" apply exactly the same on both sides don't they?  To help your argument though, we could pinpoint two coaches ... M Colvin at Solar and L Weddall at FCD.  Solar has it right by using Colvin to coach the littles, while FCD have wasted Weddall in that regard.  

Happy Friday Sir!

Big Ern wrote:

Shivas wrote:Yes, there was a bit of sarcasm in there, but it wasn't meant to demean FCD's DA program.  Its top notch.  I also agree that if we are talking DA coaches only, it's pretty close.  From my chair, I'd say Solar has the top and bottom coach on that list.

But my post was regarding the broader girls coaching staff on the girls side.  Solar is/was much more competitive in ECNL and I think it is because they have the better staff.  Particularly prior to select, I think Solar has deeper talent in their elite teams than FCD does, and I think Solar is better at developing their top young players because of their coaches.  It's going to pay off going forward.  

Many coaches touch a player before she gets to DA.  And yes, while the current DA staffs are comparable, I think Solar has the clear edge overall.  Just one man's opinion.

And it's a respectable opinion shivas --

I agree that all inclusive, top to bottom Solar have more quality coaches and kids on the girl's side.  However, given what I know of all of the coaches I mentioned for both in the GDA, FCD has the edge there both when it comes to coaching, and kids (outside of U17 of course).

And you're absolutely right with your, "Particularly prior to select, I think Solar has deeper talent in their elite teams than FCD does", but the, "Many coaches touch a player before she gets to DA" apply exactly the same on both sides don't they?  To help your argument though, we could pinpoint two coaches ... M Colvin at Solar and L Weddall at FCD.  Solar has it right by using Colvin to coach the littles, while FCD have wasted Weddall in that regard.  

Happy Friday Sir!

Right about that BigE with the LW thing...that’d be a gem for the parents of littles!!

The top and bottom
Coach comment is funny too Shivas!! Lmao!! BigE loves him some SA!!

What happens when daddy warbucks moves on to greener pastures? He's effectively subsidizing DA's relevance in the Dallas market one player at a time.

Maybe another insecure rich guy will step in and fill the void. {Fingers crossed}

U17 FCD took an L to Texans 4-2. Didn’t see that coming

WinTheChipzRdown wrote:U17 FCD took an L to Texans 4-2. Didn’t see that coming

Not all that surprising. A handful of holdovers from the 02's and a boatload of Roderick's players. They'll be a good team.

Yo wrote:

WinTheChipzRdown wrote:U17 FCD took an L to Texans 4-2. Didn’t see that coming

Not all that surprising.  A handful of holdovers from the 02's and a boatload of Roderick's players.  They'll be a good team.

Forgot Scott’s at the helm now.

I believe the fcd 03s didn’t get much competition last year. The 03 pilot league was not at the same level as the 02-03 DA age group, 03 pilot group had  03s,04s, 05s that didn’t make to DA teams last year. Some clubs didn’t even participate in that age group.  Hence hurt fcd 03s  in a competitive game after a long layoff.

Yo wrote:

WinTheChipzRdown wrote:U17 FCD took an L to Texans 4-2. Didn’t see that coming

Not all that surprising.  A handful of holdovers from the 02's and a boatload of Roderick's players.  They'll be a good team.

At least they bounced back vs Dash. Not many outside of that Texans team expected that outcome.

From the STX boards... Seemed interesting enough to share.

Club Rankings wrote: ↑

Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:55 pm


If you put all 21 of the Texas ECNL and Frontier DA clubs together LS would probably slot as a top 10 club. That led me to think harder about it, and now as a fun exercise in chat board nonsense, here's my rankings for overall club strength. It really wasn't hard to do. I think one can quibble with moving any team team up or down a couple spots, but generally speaking the pecking order is pretty obvious.

1. Solar DA
2. FC Dallas
3. Real Colorado
4. D'Feeters
5. Sting Dallas
6. Sporting Blue Valley
7. Lonestar
8. Colorado Rush
9. Albion
10. Dallas Texans 
11. Houston Dash
12. Oklahoma Energy
13. Tulsa SC
14. Challenge
15. Colorado Rapids
16. Solar ECNL 
17. Classics Elite
18. Sporting Omaha
19. Oklahoma Celtic
20. Colorado Pride
21. Sting Austin

It makes one wonder why the Dallas teams bother traveling at all.

Certainly why Colorado and Nebraska. At least Houston, San Antonio, Austin, Tulsa and OKC are 3-5 hour drives; no need to hop on an airplane.

Who is Oklahoma Celtic?

After 1) Solar 2) FCD maybe 3) I would hit return 50 times j until you hit the second page then start with 4) Feet. Huge disparity after 1 and 2.

PLAYERONE wrote:After 1) Solar 2) FCD maybe 3)   I would hit return 50 times j until you hit the second page then start with 4) Feet.  Huge disparity after 1 and 2.

nm..

07 - Feet
06 - Sting
05 - Feet
04 - Sting
03 - Sting
02 - Sting

Not sure how that puts Feet at #4, unless we're in Vegas and betting on the come.

PLAYERONE wrote:After 1) Solar 2) FCD maybe 3)   I would hit return 50 times j until you hit the second page then start with 4) Feet.  Huge disparity after 1 and 2.

I think you can also hit return 50 times after #18, too.
The top 3 are pretty obvious. The bottom 3 are pretty obvious. The middle 15 are all going to be fairly competitive. Sure there might be some blowouts in different age groups, but most games are going to stay within a few goals with each club at least getting a good result or two.

My 2 cents with tiers:

1. Solar DA
2. FC Dallas
3. Real Colorado

4. Sting Dallas
5. D'Feeters

6. Sporting Blue Valley
7. Lonestar SC

8. Colorado Rush
9. Colorado Rapids
10. Dallas Texans
11. Albion Hurricanes
12. Houston Dash
13. Solar ECNL
14. Oklahoma Energy
15. Challenge SC

16. Tulsa SC
17. Classics Elite
18. Sporting Omaha

19. Oklahoma Celtic
20. Colorado Pride
21. Sting Austin

Given that there are multiple lists and bias factors involved. What variables account for the margin of error when forecasting game results? I would assume player movement as one variable any others?

BENDMEOVER wrote:Given that there are multiple lists and bias factors involved. What variables account for the margin of error when forecasting game results? I would assume player movement as one variable any others?

It's soccer. Anybody can win a given game on a given day (ask #1 Manchester City about #19 Norwich last weekend).
I don't think the above is about forecasting specific games. Just weighing out the perceived relative strength of the local(ish) DA and ECNL teams across all age groups. It's humans making lists (often with ulterior motives), so I'd expect plenty of bias.

I would also give OKE and Solar ECNL a few bumps.

timmyh wrote:
The top 3 are pretty obvious. The bottom 3 are pretty obvious. The middle 15 are all going to be fairly competitive. Sure there might be some blowouts in different age groups, but most games are going to stay within a few goals with each club at least getting a good result or two.

My 2 cents with tiers:

1. Solar DA
2. FC Dallas
3. Real Colorado

4. Sting Dallas
5. D'Feeters

6. Sporting Blue Valley
7. Lonestar SC

8. Colorado Rush
9. Colorado Rapids
10. Dallas Texans
11. Albion Hurricanes
12. Houston Dash
13. Solar ECNL
14. Oklahoma Energy
15. Challenge SC

16. Tulsa SC
17. Classics Elite
18. Sporting Omaha

19. Oklahoma Celtic
20. Colorado Pride
21. Sting Austin

My color coding of your tiers above might be a bit generous to ECNL as they mostly get matched with a DA team below them, but by going through and just matching up one team from each league (DA and ECNL) who are ranked closely together and cancelling them out, the relative strength of the two leagues starts to clarify.  

Roughly 70% of the clubs are pretty equal between DA and ECNL.

But in the DA the other 30% is Solar, FC Dallas, and Lonestar (quite good) while in ECNL the other 30% is Oklahoma Celtic, Colorado Pride, and Sting Austin (quite not so good).

Those outliers that make up 30% of each conference (at the top for DA and at the bottom for ECNL) pretty much account for the entire difference between the relative strength of the two leagues.  This is a gross simplification, but for those 15 clubs in the middle, you either play 1/3 of your games vs one of the top clubs in the country (and probably get whipped across most all age groups), or against one of the weakest clubs (and do the whipping across most all age groups).  The other 2/3 of games would be pretty similar between the two conferences.

cenTex wrote:

timmyh wrote:
The top 3 are pretty obvious. The bottom 3 are pretty obvious. The middle 15 are all going to be fairly competitive. Sure there might be some blowouts in different age groups, but most games are going to stay within a few goals with each club at least getting a good result or two.

My 2 cents with tiers:

1. Solar DA
2. FC Dallas
3. Real Colorado

4. Sting Dallas
5. D'Feeters

6. Sporting Blue Valley
7. Lonestar SC

8. Colorado Rush
9. Colorado Rapids
10. Dallas Texans
11. Albion Hurricanes
12. Houston Dash
13. Solar ECNL
14. Oklahoma Energy
15. Challenge SC

16. Tulsa SC
17. Classics Elite
18. Sporting Omaha

19. Oklahoma Celtic
20. Colorado Pride
21. Sting Austin

My color coding of your tiers above might be a bit generous to ECNL as they mostly get matched with a DA team below them, but by going through and just matching up one team from each league (DA and ECNL) who are ranked closely together and cancelling them out, the relative strength of the two leagues starts to clarify.  

Roughly 70% of the clubs are pretty equal between DA and ECNL.

But in the DA the other 30% is Solar, FC Dallas, and Lonestar (quite good)

No reason to read any further after this statement. You lost all credibility by adding Lonestar.