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This doesn't make sense, how does a team that has beaten another team and has a better record than that team, still end up ranked below them?

My DD's ATM wrote:This doesn't make sense, how does a team that has beaten another team and has a better record than that team, still end up ranked below them?

Do some research. It's been discussed on the boards.

I am thinking everything looks good with exception of 6-10. I have 6 going to 9, 7 going to 6, 8 going to 7, 9 going to 10 and 10 going to 8. Everything else looks good for now.

Thanks again 02dad for the list...

HardTruth

Joes right but since I don't speak very technical maybe I can respond to that and help answer a few questions for people who are like me. (Not that you are ATM) But anyway, your team can beat teams ranked below you all day long and if those teams never play teams ranked much higher than you, you will never move up. And beating an upper team once will possibly move you only a point or two up in the rankings, this is about consistancy and the level you are playing at.
You can have a record of 20-0-0 and be ranked 2nd to last if the only team you beat was the bottom ranked team. But again if you beat a team above you it should normally give you a point or so for doing it but depending on the point differential your ranking may not change.
If I am wrong 02 Dad will correct me, but I know he has posted in the past pretty much how it works so he is prob getting tired of answering why so an so's team is higher than so and so. (Go back and see who the team you just bea
t has ben playing and that is usually the first clue whether you will move up or not). If you are in the top 15 or so very hard to move up because those upper 4 or 5 teams have such a large point diff that you would need to beat them severl times to move into that level.
***please note ATM, I don't know who your team is or its rank level I was just speaking in general for those others that may want a simple/general explanation*

It is strange how it all works out... there are teams very high in the rankings that our team has tied and even beaten, yet we are considerably below them in rankings...there are teams on here ranked above us that I have never even seen play and I have seen a LOT of teams. It just all depends. There are teams in all kinds of leagues that aren't even in this rankings...and all this won't even mean much (except to maybe the top 12 teams) when we start qualifying next spring. There will be teams we have never heard of show up to grab a spot at Lake Highlands. So even if you are 17 now...doesn't mean you are really a D2 team. Next year everything will solidify and we can all tell where our teams really rank.

soccernovice40 wrote:It is strange how it all works out... there are teams very high in the rankings that our team has tied and even beaten, yet we are considerably below them in rankings...there are teams on here ranked above us that I have never even seen play and I have seen a LOT of teams. It just all depends. There are teams in all kinds of leagues that aren't even in this rankings...and all this won't even mean much (except to maybe the top 12 teams) when we start qualifying next spring. There will be teams we have never heard of show up to grab a spot at Lake Highlands. So even if you are 17 now...doesn't mean you are really a D2 team. Next year everything will solidify and we can all tell where our teams really rank.

Sounds like you have been through this before... Very good post and understanding of the process. Sometimes we as parents get caught up in the my team is better than your team mentality and lose focus on what we are trying to accomplish.

HardTruth

Last year the 01 FBR's were pretty accurate in regards to how many of the top 20 got into Lake Highlands. Also, it is very interesting and some say that the rankings (maybe not FBR) will help determine who you start out playing in the Lake &igh tourney. Lower ranked teams wil play top team to weed them out quickly. But you are right at this point they mean nothing other than they are fun and if you ubderstand them, informational. But come summer 2012, they will mean something. That is if you want to have fairly easy first game or 2 in the Lake High tourney.
With that said our team has in past beaten teams above us too, however some were before Labor Day (and I think that is when 02Dad moved the begin of stats) and we only play in 1 league that plays with a couple top teams, thus we never have opp to beat or compete any higher until tourneys and then most times we are not in their division anyway. If you are not playing TGPL right now (where the top teams are currently playing) then you have no chance of getting up there. Again it is about consistancy, play in their league beat them on reg basis and you will be in the top.

02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

passthedarnball wrote:02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

It is possible if a spread sheet is created with pull down menus, but that would take a lot of time to enter all the information in for all the teams in the 02 division. Just as 02dad does this in his spare time(for free) the issue is getting someone to do that for free.

justsayin02 wrote:Last year the 01 FBR's were pretty accurate in regards to how many of the top 20 got into Lake Highlands. Also, it is very interesting and some say that the rankings (maybe not FBR) will help determine who you start out playing in the Lake &igh tourney. Lower ranked teams wil play top team to weed them out quickly. But you are right at this point they mean nothing other than they are fun and if you ubderstand them, informational. But come summer 2012, they will mean something. That is if you want to have fairly easy first game or 2 in the Lake High tourney.
With that said our team has in past beaten teams above us too, however some were before Labor Day (and I think that is when 02Dad moved the begin of stats) and we only play in 1 league that plays with a couple top teams, thus we never have opp to beat or compete any higher until tourneys and then most times we are not in their division anyway. If you are not playing TGPL right now (where the top teams are currently playing) then you have no chance of getting up there. Again it is about consistancy, play in their league beat them on reg basis and you will be in the top.

I think this is where pre-qualifying tournaments get really important next Spring. You definitely want to be in the top 1/3 if you can...so you don't have to play the big boys to start off.

passthedarnball wrote:02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

You can do that with GotSoccer. Find a big tourney (such as Plano) and look at the schedule/standings. Any team that played in the tourney you can click on their team rankings and see other games/tourney/opponents they have played. I do this all the time (too much actually...can get obsessive). I like to study the teams so I know what were up against when we meet them. No, I am not a coach...just an overly obsessed parent.

passthedarnball wrote:02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

Been a couple months since I posted on the '02's. For those that don't know me, I did the FBR for the '01's (and the '02's for last Spring) and handed it off to '02Dad who's been doing a great job with it.

My policy always was that anyone who wanted to know exactly what we were doing could simply go to footballrankulator.com, plop down $30 to buy a copy of the software, and I would gladly send you a copy of our data files.

Funny that the only people who've ever actually done that are people that have wanted to start up FBR for a younger age group.

FYI... none of us who have used FBR have anything to do with FootballRankulator. It's just a commercially available package that mslater stumbled upon a couple of years ago and we've been able to customize to our noble, productive, and socially crucial purpose of ranking 8-10 yr old girls soccer teams in NTX.

hardtruthsoldier123 wrote:I am thinking everything looks good with exception of 6-10. I have 6 going to 9, 7 going to 6, 8 going to 7, 9 going to 10 and 10 going to 8. Everything else looks good for now.

Thanks again 02dad for the list...

HardTruth

I would say 6 to 10 should look like this.

6. Fever Red- over Dynamo based on league standings, over Sting based on league head to head
7. Dynamo- great passing team, tied Searls in league, but play better soccer than Searls
8. Sting Searls- Beat teams they should beat and getting better.
9. Waco Lady Blast- haven't seen this team play in a while. Should have played PTCL.
10. Rangel- fast scrappy team and winning games in league play.

bwgophers wrote:

passthedarnball wrote:02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

Been a couple months since I posted on the '02's. For those that don't know me, I did the FBR for the '01's (and the '02's for last Spring) and handed it off to '02Dad who's been doing a great job with it.

My policy always was that anyone who wanted to know exactly what we were doing could simply go to footballrankulator.com, plop down $30 to buy a copy of the software, and I would gladly send you a copy of our data files.

Funny that the only people who've ever actually done that are people that have wanted to start up FBR for a younger age group.

FYI... none of us who have used FBR have anything to do with FootballRankulator. It's just a commercially available package that mslater stumbled upon a couple of years ago and we've been able to customize to our noble, productive, and socially crucial purpose of ranking 8-10 yr old girls soccer teams in NTX.

Transparency is a good idea. 02Dad: Is that your policy too?

oldboot wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

passthedarnball wrote:02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

Been a couple months since I posted on the '02's. For those that don't know me, I did the FBR for the '01's (and the '02's for last Spring) and handed it off to '02Dad who's been doing a great job with it.

My policy always was that anyone who wanted to know exactly what we were doing could simply go to footballrankulator.com, plop down $30 to buy a copy of the software, and I would gladly send you a copy of our data files.

Funny that the only people who've ever actually done that are people that have wanted to start up FBR for a younger age group.

FYI... none of us who have used FBR have anything to do with FootballRankulator. It's just a commercially available package that mslater stumbled upon a couple of years ago and we've been able to customize to our noble, productive, and socially crucial purpose of ranking 8-10 yr old girls soccer teams in NTX.

Transparency is a good idea. 02Dad: Is that your policy too?

02Dad has always had the same policy. None of the members that have done the '02 rankings have ever had anything to hide from us. Honestly at this time the FBR doesn't really mean much to us besides it being fun. Now come spring that will change but given past history these rankings have been pretty accurate to what LHCGL has put out for placement tourney.

jen_nah wrote:

oldboot wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

passthedarnball wrote:02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

Been a couple months since I posted on the '02's. For those that don't know me, I did the FBR for the '01's (and the '02's for last Spring) and handed it off to '02Dad who's been doing a great job with it.

My policy always was that anyone who wanted to know exactly what we were doing could simply go to footballrankulator.com, plop down $30 to buy a copy of the software, and I would gladly send you a copy of our data files.

Funny that the only people who've ever actually done that are people that have wanted to start up FBR for a younger age group.

FYI... none of us who have used FBR have anything to do with FootballRankulator. It's just a commercially available package that mslater stumbled upon a couple of years ago and we've been able to customize to our noble, productive, and socially crucial purpose of ranking 8-10 yr old girls soccer teams in NTX.

Transparency is a good idea. 02Dad: Is that your policy too?

02Dad has always had the same policy. None of the members that have done the '02 rankings have ever had anything to hide from us. Honestly at this time the FBR doesn't really mean much to us besides it being fun. Now come spring that will change but given past history these rankings have been pretty accurate to what LHCGL has put out for placement tourney.

I wasn't suggesting anyone is hiding anything - just curious and thought it might be fun to see how it works ...

oldboot wrote:

jen_nah wrote:

oldboot wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

passthedarnball wrote:02dad,

I don't know how much work it is to do this, but it would be really cool if you could click on a team and see the schedule they have played. Is that even possible?

Been a couple months since I posted on the '02's. For those that don't know me, I did the FBR for the '01's (and the '02's for last Spring) and handed it off to '02Dad who's been doing a great job with it.

My policy always was that anyone who wanted to know exactly what we were doing could simply go to footballrankulator.com, plop down $30 to buy a copy of the software, and I would gladly send you a copy of our data files.

Funny that the only people who've ever actually done that are people that have wanted to start up FBR for a younger age group.

FYI... none of us who have used FBR have anything to do with FootballRankulator. It's just a commercially available package that mslater stumbled upon a couple of years ago and we've been able to customize to our noble, productive, and socially crucial purpose of ranking 8-10 yr old girls soccer teams in NTX.

Transparency is a good idea. 02Dad: Is that your policy too?

02Dad has always had the same policy. None of the members that have done the '02 rankings have ever had anything to hide from us. Honestly at this time the FBR doesn't really mean much to us besides it being fun. Now come spring that will change but given past history these rankings have been pretty accurate to what LHCGL has put out for placement tourney.

I wasn't suggesting anyone is hiding anything - just curious and thought it might be fun to see how it works ...

As bwgophers wrote "plop down the money" and ta-da transparency,find out exactly how it works. 02Dad is doing a great job and even has explained it all before. I would imagine he doesnt want to spend alot more time making more lists and graphs and pull down menus for the conveinence of a few. All that just to satisfy some that do not believe something to be true or whatever it is that is driving the need to keep asking more and more about why their team isnt higher than that team and so on. Maybe it is time for some Human Polls, that is when you get to express your opinion of who should be ranked where and then 02Dad will combine FBR and Human Polls to make the BCS update.

02Dad, will you do a BCS update?

02Dad - as always, thanks!

My DD's ATM wrote:This doesn't make sense, how does a team that has beaten another team and has a better record than that team, still end up ranked below them?

I know many have asked this time & time again. Look up the previous threads that explain how the ranking is done.

I know when I was new and trying to figure the rankings out I was like . Ex: This summer DTN- Rangel beat Solar Dynamo in regular play in the TX Summer Classic and then tied them in the championship (wins in pk shoot out don't count as a win). But, They sat 2-3 spots higher then DTN for a very long time in the FBR rankings. It has taken us picking our way through regular league play and being consistent each weekend for us to move our way up.

jen_nah wrote:

My DD's ATM wrote:This doesn't make sense, how does a team that has beaten another team and has a better record than that team, still end up ranked below them?

I know many have asked this time & time again. Look up the previous threads that explain how the ranking is done.

I know when I was new and trying to figure the rankings out I was like . Ex: This summer DTN- Rangel beat Solar Dynamo in regular play in the TX Summer Classic and then tied them in the championship (wins in pk shoot out don't count as a win). But, They sat 2-3 spots higher then DTN for a very long time in the FBR rankings. It has taken us picking our way through regular league play and being consistent each weekend for us to move our way up.

I think part of the reason people question the rankings, is because a team like DTN is ranked so high. I know that sounds really mean but I don't mean it that way. There are teams ranked much lower than DTN that played in a much tougher league and have beat DTN in the past. Sometimes the FBR just makes you scratch your head...........but I love it.

justsayin02 wrote:Joes right but since I don't speak very technical maybe I can respond to that and help answer a few questions for people who are like me. (Not that you are ATM) But anyway, your team can beat teams ranked below you all day long and if those teams never play teams ranked much higher than you, you will never move up. And beating an upper team once will possibly move you only a point or two up in the rankings, this is about consistancy and the level you are playing at.
You can have a record of 20-0-0 and be ranked 2nd to last if the only team you beat was the bottom ranked team. But again if you beat a team above you it should normally give you a point or so for doing it but depending on the point differential your ranking may not change.
If I am wrong 02 Dad will correct me, but I know he has posted in the past pretty much how it works so he is prob getting tired of answering why so an so's team is higher than so and so. (Go back and see who the team you just bea
t has ben playing and that is usually the first clue whether you will move up or not). If you are in the top 15 or so very hard to move up because those upper 4 or 5 teams have such a large point diff that you would need to beat them severl times to move into that level.
***please note ATM, I don't know who your team is or its rank level I was just speaking in general for those others that may want a simple/general explanation*

So, is it fair to say that if a team in the spring plays a division or two above, and struggles to wingames that they would still be ranked fairly high?

I completely get strength of schedule. It's hard to understand how a team can lose week after week, snag a quality win along the way, and still maintain a high position. What's to keep teams, for ranking purposes potentially, to play way above their heads, only to lose, but still 'win'......

I think FBR is a great program. I bought it.
But it is also still very subjective. The gentlemen who posts the rankings has a tough voluntary job for sure.

pro16 wrote:

justsayin02 wrote:Joes right but since I don't speak very technical maybe I can respond to that and help answer a few questions for people who are like me. (Not that you are ATM) But anyway, your team can beat teams ranked below you all day long and if those teams never play teams ranked much higher than you, you will never move up. And beating an upper team once will possibly move you only a point or two up in the rankings, this is about consistancy and the level you are playing at.
You can have a record of 20-0-0 and be ranked 2nd to last if the only team you beat was the bottom ranked team. But again if you beat a team above you it should normally give you a point or so for doing it but depending on the point differential your ranking may not change.
If I am wrong 02 Dad will correct me, but I know he has posted in the past pretty much how it works so he is prob getting tired of answering why so an so's team is higher than so and so. (Go back and see who the team you just bea
t has ben playing and that is usually the first clue whether you will move up or not). If you are in the top 15 or so very hard to move up because those upper 4 or 5 teams have such a large point diff that you would need to beat them severl times to move into that level.
***please note ATM, I don't know who your team is or its rank level I was just speaking in general for those others that may want a simple/general explanation*

So, is it fair to say that if a team in the spring plays a division or two above, and struggles to wingames that they would still be ranked fairly high?

I completely get strength of schedule. It's hard to understand how a team can lose week after week, snag a quality win along the way, and still maintain a high position. What's to keep teams, for ranking purposes potentially, to play way above their heads, only to lose, but still 'win'......

I think FBR is a great program. I bought it.
But it is also still very subjective. The gentlemen who posts the rankings has a tough voluntary job for sure.

It's not voluntary! I heard his mean wife makes him do it!

mcik17 wrote:

pro16 wrote:

justsayin02 wrote:Joes right but since I don't speak very technical maybe I can respond to that and help answer a few questions for people who are like me. (Not that you are ATM) But anyway, your team can beat teams ranked below you all day long and if those teams never play teams ranked much higher than you, you will never move up. And beating an upper team once will possibly move you only a point or two up in the rankings, this is about consistancy and the level you are playing at.
You can have a record of 20-0-0 and be ranked 2nd to last if the only team you beat was the bottom ranked team. But again if you beat a team above you it should normally give you a point or so for doing it but depending on the point differential your ranking may not change.
If I am wrong 02 Dad will correct me, but I know he has posted in the past pretty much how it works so he is prob getting tired of answering why so an so's team is higher than so and so. (Go back and see who the team you just bea
t has ben playing and that is usually the first clue whether you will move up or not). If you are in the top 15 or so very hard to move up because those upper 4 or 5 teams have such a large point diff that you would need to beat them severl times to move into that level.
***please note ATM, I don't know who your team is or its rank level I was just speaking in general for those others that may want a simple/general explanation*

So, is it fair to say that if a team in the spring plays a division or two above, and struggles to wingames that they would still be ranked fairly high?

I completely get strength of schedule. It's hard to understand how a team can lose week after week, snag a quality win along the way, and still maintain a high position. What's to keep teams, for ranking purposes potentially, to play way above their heads, only to lose, but still 'win'......

I think FBR is a great program. I bought it.
But it is also still very subjective. The gentlemen who posts the rankings has a tough voluntary job for sure.

It's not voluntary! I heard his mean wife makes him do it!

Hey, I heard that too!

mcik17 wrote:

pro16 wrote:

justsayin02 wrote:Joes right but since I don't speak very technical maybe I can respond to that and help answer a few questions for people who are like me. (Not that you are ATM) But anyway, your team can beat teams ranked below you all day long and if those teams never play teams ranked much higher than you, you will never move up. And beating an upper team once will possibly move you only a point or two up in the rankings, this is about consistancy and the level you are playing at.
You can have a record of 20-0-0 and be ranked 2nd to last if the only team you beat was the bottom ranked team. But again if you beat a team above you it should normally give you a point or so for doing it but depending on the point differential your ranking may not change.
If I am wrong 02 Dad will correct me, but I know he has posted in the past pretty much how it works so he is prob getting tired of answering why so an so's team is higher than so and so. (Go back and see who the team you just bea
t has ben playing and that is usually the first clue whether you will move up or not). If you are in the top 15 or so very hard to move up because those upper 4 or 5 teams have such a large point diff that you would need to beat them severl times to move into that level.
***please note ATM, I don't know who your team is or its rank level I was just speaking in general for those others that may want a simple/general explanation*

So, is it fair to say that if a team in the spring plays a division or two above, and struggles to wingames that they would still be ranked fairly high?

I completely get strength of schedule. It's hard to understand how a team can lose week after week, snag a quality win along the way, and still maintain a high position. What's to keep teams, for ranking purposes potentially, to play way above their heads, only to lose, but still 'win'......

I think FBR is a great program. I bought it.
But it is also still very subjective. The gentlemen who posts the rankings has a tough voluntary job for sure.

It's not voluntary! I heard his mean wife makes him do it!

I take that back. She is actually nice.....please don't dock my dd's team FBR points!