Ronaldo and Messi

by Lawnboy 19/03/12, 10:05 am

Nice article.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304724404577289380688703556.html?grcc=a00cba6df71e494964740d4cd059bf62Z10&mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_sports

by Busby Babes 19/03/12, 02:00 pm

Nice article. Ronaldo, for me, is a more complete, dynamic player. Messi, no doubt brilliant, is a product of an efficient system at Barca. He has Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets, Pedro, etc who all contribute to his success, especially Xavi and Iniesta. You see his form drop when he plays for Country. He doesn't have the type of players for Argentina in support, and the system they play is different.

by TBGsoccer 19/03/12, 02:08 pm

Argentinian players are a bit selfish with the ball, soccer is a team sport that's why Messi doesn't accomplish what he does on Barca. IMO I would take Messi any day over Ronaldo.

by yankeedandy03 19/03/12, 02:41 pm

no contest king leo..all day

by bigheadpena 19/03/12, 03:09 pm

This is a perfect topic for a poll. I'd have to go with Messi

by bigtex75081 19/03/12, 03:20 pm

Messi. Whether I'd get to play with him or just sit and watch him play, he's the guy I'd rather have on my team. He makes everyone around him much better.

by ekkeeper1 19/03/12, 03:20 pm

Messi! A lot classier player then Ronaldo in my opinion. Both fantastic players. Both are great at what they do scoring goals!

by Gunner9 19/03/12, 04:17 pm

I'll take Messi, but I believe my dd's will take Ronaldo.

by twotouch 19/03/12, 05:09 pm

I prefer Messi as a player. The combination of close control, speed, creativity and vision is like no one else.

Don't forget that Messi led La Liga in assists last year, not to mention leading all the top leagues in the world in scoring. He's on pace to score more than 60 goals in all competitions this year--ridiculous! It is true that he benefits from Barca's system and the great players around him, as Ronaldo benefits from Los Galacticos. Neither scores nearly as often for country as for club. In Messi's case, that's because he must play deeper and create more for Argentina's side. Up front, Argentina has Aguero, Higuain, Tevez, Di Maria, Lavezzi--Diego Milito can't even get on the field. In the midfield, they have players who can hold but few creators. So that is what Messi does--plus scoring more than any of their other "big guns" Smile

He's the best I've ever seen.

by coachr 19/03/12, 06:22 pm

I'd choose Messi if I were forming an eleven man team. Still not as good as Maradona or Pele.
I'd choose C. Ronaldo for my 2v2 team in the yard.

by Busby Babes 19/03/12, 07:46 pm

Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

by bigtex75081 19/03/12, 08:43 pm

Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

Jordan had Pippen. Jordan played for some of the most successful coaches in NBA history.

Pippen was named 1 of the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time. Does that mean Jordan was only a really good basketball player without Scottie Pippen? Or did Jordan help make Pippen into one of those 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time? Is Jordan maybe a part of the reason those coaches were so successful?

by bevowhoopin 19/03/12, 09:03 pm

bigtex75081 wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.
Jordan had Pippen.

Pippen was named 1 of the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time. Does that mean Jordan was only a really good basketball player without Scottie Pippen? Or did Jordan help make Pippen into one of those 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time?

Shaq was the most physical, didn't make him a good ball player. Messi plays the game right, unbelievable scorer but also distributes the ball to his teammates as he is pulling the defense away from them. Also, with as many goals as he scores, if you think he is a little selfish, I think he has earned that right. And he is 3 years younger than ronaldo...

by coachr 19/03/12, 09:07 pm

Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

Note: pep is a graduate of la masia just like the other players you mentioned. He just holds everyone to the plan.
Messi is one of the best players ever. He would be the best player in any league right now. RVP is the best BPL player this year, hands down. Dempsey is arguably the second best player in England this year. Surely, Messi is better than Van Persie and Clint. Rooney called Messi the best ever just last week.
On the surface your argument has its merits but dig into the idea and the answer reveals itself.

by coachr 19/03/12, 09:12 pm

bevowhoopin wrote:
bigtex75081 wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.
Jordan had Pippen.

Pippen was named 1 of the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time. Does that mean Jordan was only a really good basketball player without Scottie Pippen? Or did Jordan help make Pippen into one of those 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time?

Shaq was the most physical, didn't make him a good ball player. Messi plays the game right, unbelievable scorer but also distributes the ball to his teammates as he is pulling the defense away from them. Also, with as many goals as he scores, if you think he is a little selfish, I think he has earned that right. And he is 3 years younger than ronaldo...

I played bball. Jordan was blessed with all the tools but my pound per pound best nba player I ever witnessed was Iverson. He was 5 1/2 inches shorter than Jordan and still owned

by twotouch 19/03/12, 09:23 pm

Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

If Messi played in the Premier League, he would be the league's best player without doubt. Wayne Rooney says that Messi is the best ever (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1956/europe/2012/03/07/2953404/wayne-rooney-says-lionel-messi-is-the-best-ever-soccer).

Remember that Cristiano Ronaldo won the Ballon D'Or in 2008 while playing with Rooney at Manchester United. If you think he's more physical than Messi, check youtube for "Cristiano Ronaldo dives" and then check "Messi doesn't dive."

by ekkeeper1 19/03/12, 09:28 pm

twotouch wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

If Messi played in the Premier League, he would be the league's best player without doubt. Wayne Rooney says that Messi is the best ever (http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/1956/europe/2012/03/07/2953404/wayne-rooney-says-lionel-messi-is-the-best-ever-soccer).

Remember that Cristiano Ronaldo won the Ballon D'Or in 2008 while playing with Rooney at Manchester United. If you think he's more physical than Messi, check youtube for "Cristiano Ronaldo dives" and then check "Messi doesn't dive."

I would pick Messi because of the above reason. I have watched games in which Messi has had guys attempting to take him down in the box or coming down the field and he stay son his feet makes the pass and scores the goal. He for most part does not at least when I have watched dive. Ronaldo although he is flashy, has great speed/footskills and a killer stirke he spend way too much time on the ground.

Id watch Messi before Ronaldo but both fun to watch at times. Both great. I think Messi could excel in the EPL for sure. Both players would be good wherever they play.

by deny your goal 19/03/12, 09:29 pm

Both are amazing to watch the talent cup overflowing for the both of them. They are very versatile but have help from others around them.

King Leo can even play in the goal. Though I wonder if it hasn't been photo shopped still a cool picture.

http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/soccer-dirty-tackle/case-were-wondering-lionel-messi-play-goal-too-202604501.html

Also on youtube we enjoyed Cristiano "Tested to the Limit" our bb watched the entire 45min he is an amazing athlete.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmtwEwAf9Tk

For our family if it is Barcelona vs Real Madrid it is Barcelona all the way!

by Sooner than later 19/03/12, 09:36 pm

coachr wrote:
bevowhoopin wrote:
bigtex75081 wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.
Jordan had Pippen.

Pippen was named 1 of the 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time. Does that mean Jordan was only a really good basketball player without Scottie Pippen? Or did Jordan help make Pippen into one of those 50 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time?

Shaq was the most physical, didn't make him a good ball player. Messi plays the game right, unbelievable scorer but also distributes the ball to his teammates as he is pulling the defense away from them. Also, with as many goals as he scores, if you think he is a little selfish, I think he has earned that right. And he is 3 years younger than ronaldo...
I played bball. Jordan was blessed with all the tools but my pound per pound best nba player I ever witnessed was Iverson. He was 5 1/2 inches shorter than Jordan and still owned

by yankeedandy03 19/03/12, 09:51 pm

please stop comparing a i to jordan.. not even close to messi an ronaldo.. a i wasnt even the best of his draft class.. masked mamba

by Busby Babes 20/03/12, 07:13 am

coachr wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.
Note: pep is a graduate of la masia just like the other players you mentioned. He just holds everyone to the plan.
Messi is one of the best players ever. He would be the best player in any league right now. RVP is the best BPL player this year, hands down. Dempsey is arguably the second best player in England this year. Surely, Messi is better than Van Persie and Clint. Rooney called Messi the best ever just last week.
On the surface your argument has its merits but dig into the idea and the answer reveals itself.

Dempsey is not even worthy to be involved in this convo..Dempsey isn't anywhere near Premier Leagues 2nd best player. lol

by coachr 20/03/12, 10:00 am

yankeedandy03 wrote:please stop comparing a i to jordan.. not even close to messi an ronaldo.. a i wasnt even the best of his draft class.. masked mamba

When ai played only one other was close and that's Kobert. Kob is 6'7", Jordan 6'6", Iverson 6' .
If Iverson was 6'7" he'd be the greatest of all time. Remember, my argument was pound for pound.

by coachr 20/03/12, 10:08 am

Busby Babes wrote:
coachr wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.
Note: pep is a graduate of la masia just like the other players you mentioned. He just holds everyone to the plan.
Messi is one of the best players ever. He would be the best player in any league right now. RVP is the best BPL player this year, hands down. Dempsey is arguably the second best player in England this year. Surely, Messi is better than Van Persie and Clint. Rooney called Messi the best ever just last week.
On the surface your argument has its merits but dig into the idea and the answer reveals itself.

Dempsey is not even worthy to be involved in this convo..Dempsey isn't anywhere near Premier Leagues 2nd best player. lol

You are either ignorant or an idiot. Clint has 18 goals in all competitions last I checked and that's for Fulham! I listen to several podcasts a day at work and almost every writer and commentator in England would vote Dempsey player of the year if not for RVPs world beating season.
The only reason Clint's not with a top 4 team is because he doesn't play a traditional position. Educate yourself before you step in my yard ya muppet.

by Busby Babes 20/03/12, 10:16 am

coachr wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:
coachr wrote:
Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.
Note: pep is a graduate of la masia just like the other players you mentioned. He just holds everyone to the plan.
Messi is one of the best players ever. He would be the best player in any league right now. RVP is the best BPL player this year, hands down. Dempsey is arguably the second best player in England this year. Surely, Messi is better than Van Persie and Clint. Rooney called Messi the best ever just last week.
On the surface your argument has its merits but dig into the idea and the answer reveals itself.

Dempsey is not even worthy to be involved in this convo..Dempsey isn't anywhere near Premier Leagues 2nd best player. lol
You are either ignorant or an idiot. Clint has 18 goals in all competitions last I checked and that's for Fulham! I listen to several podcasts a day at work and almost every writer and commentator in England would vote Dempsey player of the year if not for RVPs world beating season.
The only reason Clint's not with a top 4 team is because he doesn't play a traditional position. Educate yourself before you step in my yard ya muppet.

LOL, I'm fully aware of Dempsey's goal scoring tally this season. So your saying he is having a better season than Rooney, RVP, Aguero, Silva, etc... Traditional position, lol, he isn't on a big team because he is not big team material. Just in goal scoring alone, in the Premier League, RVP, Rooney, Aguero, Demba Ba, Dzeko, and Yakubu have all scored more goals. When you add goals and assists together, it's even a greater amount of players ahead. U should try educating yourself a little better, take your on medicine. You're not even in my league when it comes to football knowledge,muppet... and I'll just leave it at that..

by Gunners 20/03/12, 10:20 am

I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

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