Ronaldo and Messi

I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

Busby Babes wrote:

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Gunners wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with that at all.

Busby Babes wrote:

coachr wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

coachr wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

Note: pep is a graduate of la masia just like the other players you mentioned. He just holds everyone to the plan.
Messi is one of the best players ever. He would be the best player in any league right now. RVP is the best BPL player this year, hands down. Dempsey is arguably the second best player in England this year. Surely, Messi is better than Van Persie and Clint. Rooney called Messi the best ever just last week.
On the surface your argument has its merits but dig into the idea and the answer reveals itself.

Dempsey is not even worthy to be involved in this convo..Dempsey isn't anywhere near Premier Leagues 2nd best player. lol

You are either ignorant or an idiot. Clint has 18 goals in all competitions last I checked and that's for Fulham! I listen to several podcasts a day at work and almost every writer and commentator in England would vote Dempsey player of the year if not for RVPs world beating season.
The only reason Clint's not with a top 4 team is because he doesn't play a traditional position. Educate yourself before you step in my yard ya muppet.

LOL, I'm fully aware of Dempsey's goal scoring tally this season. So your saying he is having a better season than Rooney, RVP, Aguero, Silva, etc... Traditional position, lol, he isn't on a big team because he is not big team material. You're not even in my league when it comes to football knowledge,muppet... and I'll just leave it at that..

Have to agree with Busy. I like Clint - he's a good player having an outstanding season. But 2nd best in EPL is a stretch. He's not even the 2nd best midfielder. He wouldn't start on a top 4 team. He's scored many goals this season because Fulham went most the year without 2 quality strikers and they let Dempsey play in the hole. He shoots everything on sight within 25 yards of goal. He has more missed shots than anyone else in EPL...by a long margin.

You can make the case because of the role Fulham's allowed him to play that he is having a top 5 season in terms of production, but to say he is the 2nd best player in EPL is laughable. coachr - quit being a homer.

Busby Babes wrote:

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

I love Dempsey!

I'm not quite sure what elite means, but it's pretty noteworthy that he's scored 18 goals (almost all) out of the midfield with two months left in the season. He is easily the best player on a team that doesn't have much else--he's why Fulham is middle-table and not struggling to avoid relegation. He scores and creates...he's basically in the middle of every good attacking move that Fulham makes. That said, he's a notch below Van Persie, Rooney, Aguero and Silva and a few others. Based on his excellent season, I think he would rank between #5 and #15 in ELP right now.

To say that Dempsey couldn't play for a top four team is ridiculous. But those teams wouldn't buy him now because he's 29 and not that fast. After all, teams aren't beating down Man U's door to get the 31-year-old Berbatov even though he led the EPL in scoring last year.

This has been a great year for Deuce! Enjoy it.

twotouch wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

I love Dempsey!

I'm not quite sure what elite means, but it's pretty noteworthy that he's scored 18 goals (almost all) out of the midfield with two months left in the season. He is easily the best player on a team that doesn't have much else--he's why Fulham is middle-table and not struggling to avoid relegation. He scores and creates...he's basically in the middle of every good attacking move that Fulham makes. That said, he's a notch below Van Persie, Rooney, Aguero and Silva and a few others. Based on his excellent season, I think he would rank between #5 and #15 in ELP right now.

To say that Dempsey couldn't play for a top four team is ridiculous. But those teams wouldn't buy him now because he's 29 and not that fast. After all, teams aren't beating down Man U's door to get the 31-year-old Berbatov even though he led the EPL in scoring last year.

This has been a great year for Deuce! Enjoy it.

Bobby Zamora respectfully disagrees.

twotouch wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

I love Dempsey!

I'm not quite sure what elite means, but it's pretty noteworthy that he's scored 18 goals (almost all) out of the midfield with two months left in the season. He is easily the best player on a team that doesn't have much else--he's why Fulham is middle-table and not struggling to avoid relegation. He scores and creates...he's basically in the middle of every good attacking move that Fulham makes. That said, he's a notch below Van Persie, Rooney, Aguero and Silva and a few others. Based on his excellent season, I think he would rank between #5 and #15 in ELP right now.

To say that Dempsey couldn't play for a top four team is ridiculous. But those teams wouldn't buy him now because he's 29 and not that fast. After all, teams aren't beating down Man U's door to get the 31-year-old Berbatov even though he led the EPL in scoring last year.

This has been a great year for Deuce! Enjoy it.

Agreed with most all of this. Didn't say he couldn't play for a top 4...said he wouldn't start. Is he beating out young, nani or valencia for Man u? Silva, nasri or yaya for city? Bale, Van Der Vart or Modric for spurs? Maybe he'd have a shot @ Arsenal but his strengths don't seem to fit how they play. If he had gotten to his current level of maturity when he was younger he'd have been a beast. He's easily the best American player of all time and I'm taking nothing away from him.

But let's not go overboard with the accolades just because he's American. He shoots...hard and often. He's awesome in the air. He has great touch and awareness. But he does not create - look at his assists record. Call em like i see em.

Busby Babes wrote:

coachr wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

coachr wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

Note: pep is a graduate of la masia just like the other players you mentioned. He just holds everyone to the plan.
Messi is one of the best players ever. He would be the best player in any league right now. RVP is the best BPL player this year, hands down. Dempsey is arguably the second best player in England this year. Surely, Messi is better than Van Persie and Clint. Rooney called Messi the best ever just last week.
On the surface your argument has its merits but dig into the idea and the answer reveals itself.

Dempsey is not even worthy to be involved in this convo..Dempsey isn't anywhere near Premier Leagues 2nd best player. lol

You are either ignorant or an idiot. Clint has 18 goals in all competitions last I checked and that's for Fulham! I listen to several podcasts a day at work and almost every writer and commentator in England would vote Dempsey player of the year if not for RVPs world beating season.
The only reason Clint's not with a top 4 team is because he doesn't play a traditional position. Educate yourself before you step in my yard ya muppet.

LOL, I'm fully aware of Dempsey's goal scoring tally this season. So your saying he is having a better season than Rooney, RVP, Aguero, Silva, etc... Traditional position, lol, he isn't on a big team because he is not big team material. Just in goal scoring alone, in the Premier League, RVP, Rooney, Aguero, Demba Ba, Dzeko, and Yakubu have all scored more goals. When you add goals and assists together, it's even a greater amount of players ahead. U should try educating yourself a little better, take your on medicine. You're not even in my league when it comes to football knowledge,muppet... and I'll just leave it at that..

You must be havin a laugh! What's Newcastle doin right now except sliding down the table? There's your Ba. He didn't even win at the ACN.
Aguero is having a great season and I wouldn't argue against him over Dempsey. Rooney no way. The man that will inspire that team is Scholes. Silva has lost some form so he's out for now. Dempsey is not top 10 in overall quality but his season is top 5. I say second behind rvp.
You're a nobhead

fourfourtwo wrote:

twotouch wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

I love Dempsey!

I'm not quite sure what elite means, but it's pretty noteworthy that he's scored 18 goals (almost all) out of the midfield with two months left in the season. He is easily the best player on a team that doesn't have much else--he's why Fulham is middle-table and not struggling to avoid relegation. He scores and creates...he's basically in the middle of every good attacking move that Fulham makes. That said, he's a notch below Van Persie, Rooney, Aguero and Silva and a few others. Based on his excellent season, I think he would rank between #5 and #15 in ELP right now.

To say that Dempsey couldn't play for a top four team is ridiculous. But those teams wouldn't buy him now because he's 29 and not that fast. After all, teams aren't beating down Man U's door to get the 31-year-old Berbatov even though he led the EPL in scoring last year.

This has been a great year for Deuce! Enjoy it.

Agreed with most all of this. Didn't say he couldn't play for a top 4...said he wouldn't start. Is he beating out young, nani or valencia for Man u? Silva, nasri or yaya for city? Bale, Van Der Vart or Modric for spurs? Maybe he'd have a shot @ Arsenal but his strengths don't seem to fit how they play. If he had gotten to his current level of maturity when he was younger he'd have been a beast. He's easily the best American player of all time and I'm taking nothing away from him.

But let's not go overboard with the accolades just because he's American. He shoots...hard and often. He's awesome in the air. He has great touch and awareness. But he does not create - look at his assists record. Call em like i see em.

Clint either needs to stay at Fulham or go to a top French side.

Gunners wrote:

twotouch wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

Gunners wrote:I love Clint Dempsey, love him. He's nowhere near the 2nd best player in the EPL and Silva is easily the next player in line for Player of the Year behind RVP. I'm not even sure Clint would make the top 5 on the PoY list (RVP, Silva, Aguero, Rooney, Ba, then maybe Clint).

Yeah, Dempsey is nowhere near the elite players in the EPL. Solid player having a good season, that's about it.

I love Dempsey!

I'm not quite sure what elite means, but it's pretty noteworthy that he's scored 18 goals (almost all) out of the midfield with two months left in the season. He is easily the best player on a team that doesn't have much else--he's why Fulham is middle-table and not struggling to avoid relegation. He scores and creates...he's basically in the middle of every good attacking move that Fulham makes. That said, he's a notch below Van Persie, Rooney, Aguero and Silva and a few others. Based on his excellent season, I think he would rank between #5 and #15 in ELP right now.

To say that Dempsey couldn't play for a top four team is ridiculous. But those teams wouldn't buy him now because he's 29 and not that fast. After all, teams aren't beating down Man U's door to get the 31-year-old Berbatov even though he led the EPL in scoring last year.

This has been a great year for Deuce! Enjoy it.

Bobby Zamora respectfully disagrees.

He can go cry on Mark Hughes' shoulder

coachr wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

coachr wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

coachr wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Messi is a great player, no denying that. He also benefits, hugely, from having Xavi and Iniesta, and Pep Guardiola's system. Messi would not be as effective a player in a physical league like the Premier League.

Note: pep is a graduate of la masia just like the other players you mentioned. He just holds everyone to the plan.
Messi is one of the best players ever. He would be the best player in any league right now. RVP is the best BPL player this year, hands down. Dempsey is arguably the second best player in England this year. Surely, Messi is better than Van Persie and Clint. Rooney called Messi the best ever just last week.
On the surface your argument has its merits but dig into the idea and the answer reveals itself.

Dempsey is not even worthy to be involved in this convo..Dempsey isn't anywhere near Premier Leagues 2nd best player. lol

You are either ignorant or an idiot. Clint has 18 goals in all competitions last I checked and that's for Fulham! I listen to several podcasts a day at work and almost every writer and commentator in England would vote Dempsey player of the year if not for RVPs world beating season.
The only reason Clint's not with a top 4 team is because he doesn't play a traditional position. Educate yourself before you step in my yard ya muppet.

LOL, I'm fully aware of Dempsey's goal scoring tally this season. So your saying he is having a better season than Rooney, RVP, Aguero, Silva, etc... Traditional position, lol, he isn't on a big team because he is not big team material. Just in goal scoring alone, in the Premier League, RVP, Rooney, Aguero, Demba Ba, Dzeko, and Yakubu have all scored more goals. When you add goals and assists together, it's even a greater amount of players ahead. U should try educating yourself a little better, take your on medicine. You're not even in my league when it comes to football knowledge,muppet... and I'll just leave it at that..

You must be havin a laugh! What's Newcastle doin right now except sliding down the table? There's your Ba. He didn't even win at the ACN.
Aguero is having a great season and I wouldn't argue against him over Dempsey. Rooney no way. The man that will inspire that team is Scholes. Silva has lost some form so he's out for now. Dempsey is not top 10 in overall quality but his season is top 5. I say second behind rvp.
You're a nobhead

You're an idiot and know fck all about the sport if you think Dempsey is ahead of players like Rooney..lol Dempsey isn't fit to wipe Wazza's boots..Much less Van Persie. Even Wilshere is a much better player than Dempsey.. I'll leave this thread to your fantasy world of Dempsey being the No. 2 player in the EPL.You're the only unknowledgeable person in this thread, that feels that way..Laughable, so have at it.. You're a joke.

butt3r wrote:

Amazing since to date I think his only successes have been in academy threads.

Although, does it really count with Busty being so green and so evenly drawn offside - and shouting to be passed the ball.

butt3r wrote:Although, does it really count with Busty being so green and so evenly drawn offside - and shouting to be passed the ball.

Leave him be. His gran is a slapper.

Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

As soon as you responded to coachr you already lost, when you figure that out you will understand.

Busby Babes wrote:Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

coachr would be the Troll. Good bait with all the Dempsey love around these days. I wouldn't have suspected it was bait coming from anyone else, but I've read enough of his posts to know how he operates.

Busby Babes wrote:Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

You are the Robert Green of this forum. Decent skill but got owned by Dempsey!

JeffM wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

coachr would be the Troll. Good bait with all the Dempsey love around these days. I wouldn't have suspected it was bait coming from anyone else, but I've read enough of his posts to know how he operates.

You are correct but I have actually heard all the pundits pumping up Dempsey.

Busby Babes wrote:Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

yes.

Anything Coachr post is to be disregarded immediately. Coachr is a reason internet regulations are gaining traction. He plays with little children but snaps their heads off if they dare to play in his sand box. He thinks he is the most interesting man in the world, but does not know he is a women pretending to be a man who is pretending to be a women. Just don't tell him. His world is safe with him in it, ours isn't.

JeffM wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

coachr would be the Troll. Good bait with all the Dempsey love around these days. I wouldn't have suspected it was bait coming from anyone else, but I've read enough of his posts to know how he operates.

I should've figured it out from the get-go..

Busby Babes wrote:

JeffM wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

coachr would be the Troll. Good bait with all the Dempsey love around these days. I wouldn't have suspected it was bait coming from anyone else, but I've read enough of his posts to know how he operates.

I should've figured it out from the get-go..

Don't sweat it, not everyone can be bright. The world needs ditch diggers too.

Tiki-taka wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Troll? I posted a disagreement from a post about Dempsey being the 2nd best player in the Premier League this season? Is that trolling, or did I just fall for good bait in thinkking someone might be that ignornant to suggest it?

yes.

Anything Coachr post is to be disregarded immediately. Coachr is a reason internet regulations are gaining traction. He plays with little children but snaps their heads off if they dare to play in his sand box. He thinks he is the most interesting man in the world, but does not know he is a women pretending to be a man who is pretending to be a women. Just don't tell him. His world is safe with him in it, ours isn't.

I'll let Duece speak for coachr

Everyday I'm buffering.....