Is this Legal?? Mandatory Academy Club Fundraiser

Bierluva wrote:Liverpool Programs:

Player programs
Coaching Education
College Program
Open Skills
Coaches Retreat
Coaches Gear
Equipment purchases
Tryouts
Hawaiian Falls
Field improvements
Field acquisition and development
Scholarships
Parent education

The reason the club does this fundraiser is to defray the costs of most of these programs.
How many other clubs pay to educate their coaches?
How many other clubs offer Academy open skills to their own players for no cost?
How many other clubs help their coaches buy equipment?
How many other clubs pay for fields if you want to scrimmage another team or club?
I can tell you... not many.

This club really cares about its coaches. They want to make sure they are getting their proper education so that your son or daughter is getting the best soccer education possible. They want to make sure that all the coaches are teaching from the same curriculum so the retreat is a great weekend for them to share ideas, techniques, and brainstorm to better that education for your child.

Need a field for a scrimmage... the club has your back. Why? Because this successful fundraiser allows the club to have the funds to rent that field for you. Have lit fields? We do. Need to build more fields because the club is growing like crazy? This fundraiser will help with that I am sure.

Sure beats setting up a car wash, selling candy, selling magazine subscriptions, frozen pizza, cookie dough....

This is our third year doing this with the club and we have repeat customers. How many of you out there actually have your neighbors knocking on your door asking if they are selling cookie dough again or if they can buy another magazine subscription?

I kid you not... it took my daughter one afternoon in her uniform to sell 16 flats. She is up to 21 now. So... $55 in her tourney account. Yep, $5 per flat over the required 10 goes into your tourney account. Not bad for a few hours of work and she can pay for 2 tourneys!

Now... this is not an official response from the club, but I am just giving you my observations as a parent who has been here since the Spring of 2010. I have seen the bennies of this fundraiser and my garden likes it too.

jj4mel wrote:That has got to be one of the most tasteless responses I have seen on here.

bigtex75081 wrote:

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

butt3r wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:I hate fundraising. I don't even care what it's for. Don't even give me some crappy excuse. If I wanted a second job I would have applied for it.

When I was in my teens my select team had a fundraiser selling cookie dough. My mother was I charge of it so the expectations for my success were "a little high". She literally locked me out of the house one morning and told me to sell cookie dough to the entire nieghborhood. I was not allowed to come back until dinner time. She even packed me a small lunch so I wouldn't have to come back in the middle of the day. I remember that I sold a couple thousand dollars dollars of cookie dough that day. I hated every minute of it. I sold 10X more cookie dough than anyone else on our team.

Did I get a percentage? All I got in return was a "Good job." from my coach at the end of our next practice. (He was probably already calculating the new income in his head.) I saw none of that money ANDDDDDDD as an added bonus I had to walk back through my neighborhood a couple weeks later delivering a couple hundred pounds of cookie dough.

That experience has turned my off to fundraising entirely. I hate it. Good luck to you with this thing though. I'm sure your experience will be a lot more fun.

ROFL... this is a HILLARIOUS story. Surely it gets a few laughs and is less traumatic all these years later.

Reads like a scene from a movie.

Or it shows how he was always lazy. I bet he went by coachr's house and got sucked into a debate about flowers and how they're ruining the landscape. He probably also caught a water balloon in the face by a BMX Blank77 drive by.

You all can go ahead and make fun of me. Shortly after that experience I made myself keenly aware of the child labor laws in Texas and I made sure my mother knew it.

Don't tell my daughter about those... I have informed her she better sell 30 of these suckers or I am selling her ipod to help fund her soccer and puppy expenses.

As a final footnote to my story, you should all know that I loved my mom just a little bit less after that day. (And I do hope my mom somehow ends up reading this.)

coachr wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

butt3r wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:I hate fundraising. I don't even care what it's for. Don't even give me some crappy excuse. If I wanted a second job I would have applied for it.

When I was in my teens my select team had a fundraiser selling cookie dough. My mother was I charge of it so the expectations for my success were "a little high". She literally locked me out of the house one morning and told me to sell cookie dough to the entire nieghborhood. I was not allowed to come back until dinner time. She even packed me a small lunch so I wouldn't have to come back in the middle of the day. I remember that I sold a couple thousand dollars dollars of cookie dough that day. I hated every minute of it. I sold 10X more cookie dough than anyone else on our team.

Did I get a percentage? All I got in return was a "Good job." from my coach at the end of our next practice. (He was probably already calculating the new income in his head.) I saw none of that money ANDDDDDDD as an added bonus I had to walk back through my neighborhood a couple weeks later delivering a couple hundred pounds of cookie dough.

That experience has turned my off to fundraising entirely. I hate it. Good luck to you with this thing though. I'm sure your experience will be a lot more fun.

ROFL... this is a HILLARIOUS story. Surely it gets a few laughs and is less traumatic all these years later.

Reads like a scene from a movie.

Or it shows how he was always lazy. I bet he went by coachr's house and got sucked into a debate about flowers and how they're ruining the landscape. He probably also caught a water balloon in the face by a BMX Blank77 drive by.

You all can go ahead and make fun of me. Shortly after that experience I made myself keenly aware of the child labor laws in Texas and I made sure my mother knew it.

Don't tell my daughter about those... I have informed her she better sell 30 of these suckers or I am selling her ipod to help fund her soccer and puppy expenses.

As a final footnote to my story, you should all know that I loved my mom just a little bit less after that day. (And I do hope my mom somehow ends up reading this.)

Brothers got to hug!
I feel for you. I hope you are like me and avoided HOAs. Most soccer folks don't mind grabbing ankles. They can't help it. It's their nature.

RoidRage wrote:I have 3 dds that have played for multiple teams...some big and some small and Liverpool is the most expensive one.

Texans- $270 per quarter comes out to about $1150 per year and this includes all league fees(SDL, PTCL, indoor) and 2 tournys a year. Uniforms not included. Friday night skills included.

FCD- $550 every six months comes out to about $1100 per year and that includes league fees for spring and fall seasons. Parents pay for tournys. Uniforms not included. La Liga on Sundays for anyone no matter what club your on...just bring your kid.

Liverpool- $90 a month coaching fee comes out to about $1080. Parents also have to pay for all league fee's which is usually about $60 per season(spring and fall) and about $40 per season(winter and summer indoor/futsal). $7 admin fee per yr. Uniforms not included. Parents pay for all tournys. Total cost in coaching fees/league fees/admin fee equals $1287 and this doesn't include the fundraisor. Friday night skills included.

As you can see Liverpool is already about $137(Texans) and $187(FCD) more expensive and that's before the fundraisor/$100 buyout. Some of the other smallest clubs are even cheaper than these clubs. I'm not sure what Solar or Defeeters charge as my dds have never played for them.

Now the $187($287 including buyout) a year is not going to make me take my dd off her Liverpool team because she loves her team and adores her coach. But, I just wanted to get all the facts strait.

soccerobsessed wrote:

RoidRage wrote:I have 3 dds that have played for multiple teams...some big and some small and Liverpool is the most expensive one.

Texans- $270 per quarter comes out to about $1150 per year and this includes all league fees(SDL, PTCL, indoor) and 2 tournys a year. Uniforms not included. Friday night skills included.

FCD- $550 every six months comes out to about $1100 per year and that includes league fees for spring and fall seasons. Parents pay for tournys. Uniforms not included. La Liga on Sundays for anyone no matter what club your on...just bring your kid.

Liverpool- $90 a month coaching fee comes out to about $1080. Parents also have to pay for all league fee's which is usually about $60 per season(spring and fall) and about $40 per season(winter and summer indoor/futsal). $7 admin fee per yr. Uniforms not included. Parents pay for all tournys. Total cost in coaching fees/league fees/admin fee equals $1287 and this doesn't include the fundraisor. Friday night skills included.

As you can see Liverpool is already about $137(Texans) and $187(FCD) more expensive and that's before the fundraisor/$100 buyout. Some of the other smallest clubs are even cheaper than these clubs. I'm not sure what Solar or Defeeters charge as my dds have never played for them.

Now the $187($287 including buyout) a year is not going to make me take my dd off her Liverpool team because she loves her team and adores her coach. But, I just wanted to get all the facts strait.

Well heck, I got robbed. Dues/required skills/tournaments/league fees, I paid about $1,730+ last year. Doesn't count futsal or uniforms. No required fundraiser however.

soccerobsessed wrote:

RoidRage wrote:I have 3 dds that have played for multiple teams...some big and some small and Liverpool is the most expensive one.

Texans- $270 per quarter comes out to about $1150 per year and this includes all league fees(SDL, PTCL, indoor) and 2 tournys a year. Uniforms not included. Friday night skills included.

FCD- $550 every six months comes out to about $1100 per year and that includes league fees for spring and fall seasons. Parents pay for tournys. Uniforms not included. La Liga on Sundays for anyone no matter what club your on...just bring your kid.

Liverpool- $90 a month coaching fee comes out to about $1080. Parents also have to pay for all league fee's which is usually about $60 per season(spring and fall) and about $40 per season(winter and summer indoor/futsal). $7 admin fee per yr. Uniforms not included. Parents pay for all tournys. Total cost in coaching fees/league fees/admin fee equals $1287 and this doesn't include the fundraisor. Friday night skills included.

As you can see Liverpool is already about $137(Texans) and $187(FCD) more expensive and that's before the fundraisor/$100 buyout. Some of the other smallest clubs are even cheaper than these clubs. I'm not sure what Solar or Defeeters charge as my dds have never played for them.

Now the $187($287 including buyout) a year is not going to make me take my dd off her Liverpool team because she loves her team and adores her coach. But, I just wanted to get all the facts strait.

Well heck, I got robbed. Dues/required skills/tournaments/league fees, I paid about $1,730+ last year. Doesn't count futsal or uniforms. No required fundraiser however.

RoidRage wrote:

soccerobsessed wrote:

RoidRage wrote:I have 3 dds that have played for multiple teams...some big and some small and Liverpool is the most expensive one.

Texans- $270 per quarter comes out to about $1150 per year and this includes all league fees(SDL, PTCL, indoor) and 2 tournys a year. Uniforms not included. Friday night skills included.

FCD- $550 every six months comes out to about $1100 per year and that includes league fees for spring and fall seasons. Parents pay for tournys. Uniforms not included. La Liga on Sundays for anyone no matter what club your on...just bring your kid.

Liverpool- $90 a month coaching fee comes out to about $1080. Parents also have to pay for all league fee's which is usually about $60 per season(spring and fall) and about $40 per season(winter and summer indoor/futsal). $7 admin fee per yr. Uniforms not included. Parents pay for all tournys. Total cost in coaching fees/league fees/admin fee equals $1287 and this doesn't include the fundraisor. Friday night skills included.

As you can see Liverpool is already about $137(Texans) and $187(FCD) more expensive and that's before the fundraisor/$100 buyout. Some of the other smallest clubs are even cheaper than these clubs. I'm not sure what Solar or Defeeters charge as my dds have never played for them.

Now the $187($287 including buyout) a year is not going to make me take my dd off her Liverpool team because she loves her team and adores her coach. But, I just wanted to get all the facts strait.

Well heck, I got robbed. Dues/required skills/tournaments/league fees, I paid about $1,730+ last year. Doesn't count futsal or uniforms. No required fundraiser however.

What club?

go99 wrote:there are free skills that are seperate from the RASE program. All club coaches are not equal

sickofit wrote:I have been part of various clubs with my kids. Liverpool is by far the worst. Yes, they pay their coaches the most...and give them some training (others do too)...but it is all at the expense of the parents. They are not looking out for the kids. They are soley looking out for themselves and their ability to get the most coaches and the most money for their club. Liverpool acts like a greedy franchise. If they were really a football club, they wouldn't be sitting with multiple teams in a single age group with 2/3 of them looking for players. I have never been so dissatisfied with a soccer club. As for the fund raiser...what a bunch of crap! I'd love to know whose brother owns the landscaping company....

Bierluva wrote:

sickofit wrote:I have been part of various clubs with my kids. Liverpool is by far the worst. Yes, they pay their coaches the most...and give them some training (others do too)...but it is all at the expense of the parents. They are not looking out for the kids. They are soley looking out for themselves and their ability to get the most coaches and the most money for their club. Liverpool acts like a greedy franchise. If they were really a football club, they wouldn't be sitting with multiple teams in a single age group with 2/3 of them looking for players. I have never been so dissatisfied with a soccer club. As for the fund raiser...what a bunch of crap! I'd love to know whose brother owns the landscaping company....

Better pay, better coaches (typically). Like in most businesses, they want their employees to improve. Why not help them pay for their training? Some companies pay 50% to 100% if you successfully pass a certification or earn a higher level degree... as long as you stay with the company so the can recoup that "cost". I am sure it is the same way at the club. Tuition reimbursement was a reason why I chose to work for a company... why wouldn't a coach look to Liverpool if they can further their education while at the club? Why wouldn't you want your coach with a D license to go for the C and then all the way up to A? It is better for the club and it is better for the most important part... the player. How do businesses pay for this? From the money that they make from their customer or clients. Hey, guess what peeps... you are the customer or clients. So yeah... you are paying for it. Surprise.

How could they not be looking out for the kids? If this really young club starts producing great players and helps them get into higher levels of play... how is that not looking out for the kids? Some new programs just started within the last year to help players improve themselves and also have the opportunity to work with DIV I, II, III, and NAIA coaches. Awesome curricula has been written to make sure all coaches are on the same page and teaching soccer the Liverpool way. The College Advisory board is another great thing. Few clubs have one... actually do any other clubs have a College Advisory Board (I don't know really)?

Without the kids, there is no club. I scoured the boards and notice a lot of teams from other clubs looking for players. Yes, I posted for some time for our team, but I see a lot from a few other clubs. EVERYONE is always looking for players. That seems to be the nature of Academy soccer. So I don't know where you are getting your 2/3s number...

Basically, no business or organization can make EVERYONE happy. Apparently, sickofit, wasn't the right fit. It happens.

Bierluva wrote:

sickofit wrote:I have been part of various clubs with my kids. Liverpool is by far the worst. Yes, they pay their coaches the most...and give them some training (others do too)...but it is all at the expense of the parents. They are not looking out for the kids. They are soley looking out for themselves and their ability to get the most coaches and the most money for their club. Liverpool acts like a greedy franchise. If they were really a football club, they wouldn't be sitting with multiple teams in a single age group with 2/3 of them looking for players. I have never been so dissatisfied with a soccer club. As for the fund raiser...what a bunch of crap! I'd love to know whose brother owns the landscaping company....

Better pay, better coaches (typically). Like in most businesses, they want their employees to improve. Why not help them pay for their training? Some companies pay 50% to 100% if you successfully pass a certification or earn a higher level degree... as long as you stay with the company so the can recoup that "cost". I am sure it is the same way at the club. Tuition reimbursement was a reason why I chose to work for a company... why wouldn't a coach look to Liverpool if they can further their education while at the club? Why wouldn't you want your coach with a D license to go for the C and then all the way up to A? It is better for the club and it is better for the most important part... the player. How do businesses pay for this? From the money that they make from their customer or clients. Hey, guess what peeps... you are the customer or clients. So yeah... you are paying for it. Surprise.

How could they not be looking out for the kids? If this really young club starts producing great players and helps them get into higher levels of play... how is that not looking out for the kids? Some new programs just started within the last year to help players improve themselves and also have the opportunity to work with DIV I, II, III, and NAIA coaches. Awesome curricula has been written to make sure all coaches are on the same page and teaching soccer the Liverpool way. The College Advisory board is another great thing. Few clubs have one... actually do any other clubs have a College Advisory Board (I don't know really)?

Without the kids, there is no club. I scoured the boards and notice a lot of teams from other clubs looking for players. Yes, I posted for some time for our team, but I see a lot from a few other clubs. EVERYONE is always looking for players. That seems to be the nature of Academy soccer. So I don't know where you are getting your 2/3s number...

Basically, no business or organization can make EVERYONE happy. Apparently, sickofit, wasn't the right fit. It happens.

Bierluva wrote:

sickofit wrote:I have been part of various clubs with my kids. Liverpool is by far the worst. Yes, they pay their coaches the most...and give them some training (others do too)...but it is all at the expense of the parents. They are not looking out for the kids. They are soley looking out for themselves and their ability to get the most coaches and the most money for their club. Liverpool acts like a greedy franchise. If they were really a football club, they wouldn't be sitting with multiple teams in a single age group with 2/3 of them looking for players. I have never been so dissatisfied with a soccer club. As for the fund raiser...what a bunch of crap! I'd love to know whose brother owns the landscaping company....

Better pay, better coaches (typically). Like in most businesses, they want their employees to improve. Why not help them pay for their training? Some companies pay 50% to 100% if you successfully pass a certification or earn a higher level degree... as long as you stay with the company so the can recoup that "cost". I am sure it is the same way at the club. Tuition reimbursement was a reason why I chose to work for a company... why wouldn't a coach look to Liverpool if they can further their education while at the club? Why wouldn't you want your coach with a D license to go for the C and then all the way up to A? It is better for the club and it is better for the most important part... the player. How do businesses pay for this? From the money that they make from their customer or clients. Hey, guess what peeps... you are the customer or clients. So yeah... you are paying for it. Surprise.

How could they not be looking out for the kids? If this really young club starts producing great players and helps them get into higher levels of play... how is that not looking out for the kids? Some new programs just started within the last year to help players improve themselves and also have the opportunity to work with DIV I, II, III, and NAIA coaches. Awesome curricula has been written to make sure all coaches are on the same page and teaching soccer the Liverpool way. The College Advisory board is another great thing. Few clubs have one... actually do any other clubs have a College Advisory Board (I don't know really)?

Without the kids, there is no club. I scoured the boards and notice a lot of teams from other clubs looking for players. Yes, I posted for some time for our team, but I see a lot from a few other clubs. EVERYONE is always looking for players. That seems to be the nature of Academy soccer. So I don't know where you are getting your 2/3s number...

Basically, no business or organization can make EVERYONE happy. Apparently, sickofit, wasn't the right fit. It happens.