Re: 01 ODP Tryouts announced

by setplay 12/09/12, 06:49 pm

well people that would sign up for odp for coffe pot bragging are stupid. these are 01's so the 99% majority are in 6th grade so there are no school soccer tie ins. ecnl is 2 years away for those lucky few. we agree on allowing a kid to get too beat up at sports is bad, but in the 01 world there isnt as much soccer as being described in post earlier.

by Guest 12/09/12, 07:13 pm

setplay wrote:well people that would sign up for odp for coffe pot bragging are stupid. these are 01's so the 99% majority are in 6th grade so there are no school soccer tie ins. ecnl is 2 years away for those lucky few. we agree on allowing a kid to get too beat up at sports is bad, but in the 01 world there isnt as much soccer as being described in post earlier.

I might be inclined to agree with you to some extent were it not for the information previously presented by Soccer Fanatic:

"$75 for tryouts
$125 for registration after making ODP pool, after first year I believe this happens twice a year, for fall and spring.
Then camp cost which is $650 to 1100 according to which camp your kid got invited to, first year is always OU camp (on the cheaper side due to no airfare)Any traveling cost you may have if your child is chosen to go out of town to play. ex: California, and your child doesn't get to stay with you, her fee is separate from your air and hotel."

So based on this, ODP is just more soccer and more money; plain and simple. Even the $75 tryouts will be a 200 player free-for-all of continuous 1v1 and perhaps some juggling. How's that for assessing talent?

As for there beling less soccer than described for the 01's, that is not necessarily the case. Generally speaking, the myopic parents with soccer on the brain 24/7 have a way of filling their daughter's time with more of the sport. Compared to their older counterparts, the younger kids are more likely to compete in indoor soccer / futsal during the breaks, private skills, camps, Street Soccer, qualifying tournaments, 2-a-days in preparation for the qt's, and on and on and on. I wish I were wrong about all of this, but I'm not.

by setplay 12/09/12, 07:40 pm

you bring up good and valid points. i should rephrase i guess, i dont know any body personally who plays near that much soccer. we dont do private skills, futsal or indoor of any type. dont know of any of her team mates that do. maybe some do and they dont tell? she plays 90% minutes and has played d1 for two years now so she seems to be fine without all extra training. odp should she decide to give a try will be for the experience only. if its as crazy as its being made out there will no problem saying goodbye to it

by 4-4-2-Diamond 12/09/12, 09:25 pm

Xara wrote: I wish I were wrong about all of this, but I'm not.

So what if you ARE right? You're only right about a very small percentage of girls playing the sport in NTX. If they have that kind of passion for the game, what qualifies you to conclude they play too much? Compared to who? The kids who are only casually interested?

Kids passionate about soccer, or any other sport, or any activity, seek that activity out nearly every day. Parents can't manufacture passion, and they can't force them to do it but for so long...if the motivation isn't coming from the child, the kid isn't going to do it. Period.

So if 2% of kids love to play soccer year round, we figure out a way to nourish that passion, not force them into a box of mediocrity so they conform to some new age, wussified American parenting ideal of never letting our kids stretch themselves.

Show me the long line of American kids ruined because their parents pushed them too hard at anything. I'll show you a line 20 times longer of kids with an entitlement mentality that never learned to compete or endure any hardship in pursuit of any goal.

Everyone tries to find the balance that works for their own family, but American soccer looks the way it does because the vast majority of our players grow up only seeing a ball twice a week at practice and once a week at a game. Why anyone would think a thread about ODP is the place to advocate more of the same is beyond me.

by Guest 12/09/12, 10:48 pm

4-4-2-Diamond wrote:
Xara wrote: I wish I were wrong about all of this, but I'm not.

So what if you ARE right? You're only right about a very small percentage of girls playing the sport in NTX. If they have that kind of passion for the game, what qualifies you to conclude they play too much? Compared to who? The kids who are only casually interested?

Kids passionate about soccer, or any other sport, or any activity, seek that activity out nearly every day. Parents can't manufacture passion, and they can't force them to do it but for so long...if the motivation isn't coming from the child, the kid isn't going to do it. Period.

So if 2% of kids love to play soccer year round, we figure out a way to nourish that passion, not force them into a box of mediocrity so they conform to some new age, wussified American parenting ideal of never letting our kids stretch themselves.

Show me the long line of American kids ruined because their parents pushed them too hard at anything. I'll show you a line 20 times longer of kids with an entitlement mentality that never learned to compete or endure any hardship in pursuit of any goal.

Everyone tries to find the balance that works for their own family, but American soccer looks the way it does because the vast majority of our players grow up only seeing a ball twice a week at practice and once a week at a game. Why anyone would think a thread about ODP is the place to advocate more of the same is beyond me.

Here's my bold yet obvious prediction for your daughter, 4-4-2: She'll be done with the sport by 10th grade. Any guess as to who's fault it will be? Again, I will be right about this, but wish I were wrong. I can tell simply by what you've written how it will all play out. Scary, huh?

by Soccer Fanatic 12/09/12, 11:05 pm

Xara wrote:
4-4-2-Diamond wrote:
Xara wrote: I wish I were wrong about all of this, but I'm not.

So what if you ARE right? You're only right about a very small percentage of girls playing the sport in NTX. If they have that kind of passion for the game, what qualifies you to conclude they play too much? Compared to who? The kids who are only casually interested?

Kids passionate about soccer, or any other sport, or any activity, seek that activity out nearly every day. Parents can't manufacture passion, and they can't force them to do it but for so long...if the motivation isn't coming from the child, the kid isn't going to do it. Period.

So if 2% of kids love to play soccer year round, we figure out a way to nourish that passion, not force them into a box of mediocrity so they conform to some new age, wussified American parenting ideal of never letting our kids stretch themselves.

Show me the long line of American kids ruined because their parents pushed them too hard at anything. I'll show you a line 20 times longer of kids with an entitlement mentality that never learned to compete or endure any hardship in pursuit of any goal.

Everyone tries to find the balance that works for their own family, but American soccer looks the way it does because the vast majority of our players grow up only seeing a ball twice a week at practice and once a week at a game. Why anyone would think a thread about ODP is the place to advocate more of the same is beyond me.

Here's my bold yet obvious prediction for your daughter, 4-4-2: She'll be done with the sport by 10th grade. Any guess as to who's fault it will be? Again, I will be right about this, but wish I were wrong. I can tell simply by what you've written how it will all play out. Scary, huh?

I agree with 442. My DD does what she wants. I give her the option, I don't tell her she has to. She asked for skills. I put her in skills. We take vacations. Soccer doesn't rule our life. My daughter has the passion for it. When she's ready to give it up, if that's ever the case, she'll give it up. Sounds like your dd did this to you and broke your heart and now you're a sour puss! Cheer up, get over it, and be nice! I'm sure I'm going to get hammered for this, but damn you sound like a scratched record repeating yourself over and over and over again.

by Soccer Fanatic 12/09/12, 11:10 pm

Hook It wrote:
Xara wrote:
4-4-2-Diamond wrote:
Xara wrote:Let's see...

(1) Regular select team soccer practices, twice per week, at least 10 months per year.

(2) Perhaps 60-80 games in the same period including league, tournaments, and scrimmages.

(3) Extra weekend games for the girls overlapping into rec leagues, futsal, and indoor.

(4) Private or semiprivate skills session ordered up by the parents with more money than sense.

(5) Soccer camps in the summer, and now...

(6) ODP training so the parents can arrogantly say "my daughter is in the Olympic Development Program" while on coffee breaks.

It's an orthopaedic doctor's wet dream. But at least you'll save money by not going on any real family vacations. What an ideal world!

Of course they could sit on the couch eating bon bons watching the sport on T.V.

Maybe then they'd have enough ambition to grow up and become 10,000 hour experts in soccer cyber warfare and fans of perennial relegation candidates. It's a psychiatrist's wet dream. What an ideal world!

This is the same old tired retort of so many on here. It goes like this: Yeah, our kid is way too tied up in a single sport that occupies the majority of her free time, our money, and leads to speeches from dad in the car ride home after bad games. But dammit, it's better than the alternative of doing nothing.

Here's a newsflash: The vast majority of kids who aren't in select soccer actually have balanced lives. They compete in multiple sports, go on weekend trips to see relatives, take vacations when they want, have best friends spend the night, and enjoy their lives. Select soccer is not the end-all. I presented several solid facts. You countered with pure hyperbole. Well done.
Wow, everyone is fired up ... well I guess we are one of the crazy ones, we have kids in sports ranging from college to elementary and everywhere in between. Our 01DD loves soccer, yet we find an acceptable balance for our family - for us at least 3 out of 4 Sundays end family days and we strive to invole our kids and their friends in all of our family events. To each their own - just be happy with what you do, or do something about it! Before we know it they will be all grown up!

by 4-4-2-Diamond 13/09/12, 12:24 am

Xara wrote:
Here's my bold yet obvious prediction for your daughter, 4-4-2: She'll be done with the sport by 10th grade. Any guess as to who's fault it will be? Again, I will be right about this, but wish I were wrong. I can tell simply by what you've written how it will all play out. Scary, huh?

What's scary is you probably feel smugly content about your last post. If my daughter is done by 7th grade that will be ok with me. Truth be told, I'd prefer her not to play soccer. She's a funny, creative, faith filled kid, a gifted student, plays multiple instruments, has a beautiful voice and genuinely cares about people. I could dote more, but I wouldn't expect any of it to register with the classless argument you're making.

And that's where you continue to diminish yourself. Your values don't have to be the same as mine, just as my kid's desires, capabilities and limitations don't have to be the same as your kids'. I wouldn't predict outcomes for your children, or anyone else's, merely because I disagree with their choices. Not my place.

Hell I wouldn't predict anything beyond 6 months about my OWN daughter's soccer future. I can say RIGHT NOW she is enjoying herself. I know RIGHT NOW she is learning some of the life lessons we wanted her to experience. I know she will tryout for '01 ODP in a few weeks, and still play futsal with her friends, and still play 60 to 80 games, and still travel to tournaments, and still ask to go play soccer tennis on the weekends. Her ambition RIGHT NOW is to be an attorney, not abby wambach, so if and when she's done with soccer we will all exhale and say we enjoyed the ride.

by Uncle Numanga 13/09/12, 06:42 am

Xara wrote:
setplay wrote:no offense taken, uncle started his reply to your post with age group and league affiliation. to let people know he is not full of it and has fought the battles. im not trying to be a jerk but your calling alot of people stupid for trying odp. if my dd wants to, sure i will take her to a tryout. i dont expect a national team call up for a tryout. IF she were to really like it whats the foul? if not so be it, no contract right.

You've got the wrong poster. My point is too many parents think their kids are ODP material, are spending money unnecessarily, and should consider giving their daughters a break instead of enrolling them in yet MORE soccer. That's not necessarily stupid, but I do think it is - shall I say - overly optimistic.

Unc was the one who called ODP stupid. Here it is:
(6) ODP training so the parents can arrogantly say "my daughter is in the Olympic Development Program" while on coffee breaks. JUST STUPID. ODP IS A WAY TO GET YOUR KID NOTICED BUT NTX ODP IS NOT THE END. YOUR KID HAS TO MAKE THE REGION TEAM. MAKING THE NTX SQUAD IS GREAT BUT ADDS NOTHING TO THE RESUME. THERE IS NEVER ANY COLLEGE RECRUITING OR EVEN COACHES SHOWING UP LOCALLY

You're misquoting me. I said your statement about ODP is just stupid. ODP is great once your kid gets to the regional team. The opportunities for travel, meeting kids from around the country, and top level coaching is awesome with the regional and national ODP. Unfortunately, you have to go through the NTX ODP process to get there.

by Blank77 13/09/12, 07:38 am

Xara wrote:So based on this, ODP is just more soccer and more money; plain and simple.

I'm confused, so now ODP is now just more soccer and more money? Isn't that OK? Are you ignoring that money is relative and what $75/$125/$610 means to you might mean nothing to someone else. I have 5 kids and soccer is what my 01 loves, so I am not worried about money as I want her to have her own time and identity and this is what she chooses to do. Also, I like my DDs coach, but now since she is in select she doesn't go to any other training or playing, I think it is good for her to interact with other coaches and players. As for her talent and being an Olympic, who knows at age 11. Even if you are in PPL, what is wrong with a few practices and a shot to catch on the bottom ODP squad. It could lead to something, especially as these younger girls grow. I think the notion that 200 girls are thinking about the national team is absurd.

by my2cents 13/09/12, 10:21 am

Xara wrote:
my2cents wrote:
Xara wrote:Let's see...

(1) Regular select team soccer practices, twice per week, at least 10 months per year.

(2) Perhaps 60-80 games in the same period including league, tournaments, and scrimmages.

League games- 18, tournaments usually a maximum of 6 per year maybe an average of 4 games each is another 24 perhaps 10 warm up scrimmages per year. 52 at the most where do you find 28 more for your 80?

(3) Extra weekend games for the girls overlapping into rec leagues, futsal, and indoor.

Select players can not play rec at any level. There maybe a few running from select games to indoor or futsal but most indoor for select players is summer or winter off season in place of practice.

(4) Private or semiprivate skills session ordered up by the parents with more money than sense.

The exception not the norm.

(5) Soccer camps in the summer, and now...

(6) ODP training so the parents can arrogantly say "my daughter is in the Olympic Development Program" while on coffee breaks.

Or maybe to fill in the ODP experience question on every college recruitment questionaire because they all have them. Because of title 9 or whatever it is there are many scholarships available on the women's side.

It's an orthopaedic doctor's wet dream. But at least you'll save money by not going on any real family vacations. What an ideal world!

It would seem maybe that is the way it worked out for you but most are more grounded and don't go that route.

I love it when newbie parents take a stand and have no idea what they are talking about:

#1 I'm correct about that one, right?

#2 It's not uncommon at all for a LH D1 or ECNL player to get close to 80 games in a year. There's middle school / high school scrimmages, tournaments, and games. Guest play in tournaments with other teams. Scrimmages between teams within the same club. My estimate of 60-80 is spot on.

#3 Here's where you and a previous poster show your ignorance. Ask around. There are plenty of select players who also play on PSA rec teams. There's no rule against it. I figure it's just to pad the ego of the parents, but such is the case with many on here. By the way, maybe I should add these games to my 60-80 estimate.

#4 I didn't say everyone was in private skills, but many do it at some point. My statement is accurate as posted.

#5 Xara is right again.

#6 "...there are many scholarships available on the women's side." LMAO. What a classic line! Brilliant! Yeah, there's loads of money out there for female soccer players. I believe the average is $2-$3K per year. That should cover the books and the first 3 months of a meal plan.

I just read that they expect 200 girls in the 01 group from North Texas alone. Is that a typo? That means their parents believe they are good enough for the OLYMPIC Development Program. The freakin' Olympics! There are maybe 2 in this area that could ever be at that level. But 200 will pay up because - like you - they have convinced themselves their daughters are something they are not. My recommendation to at least 170 of these parents is to take the ODP money and buy lottery tickets. The odds for a decent ROI are much better.

Hardly a newby. Have a BB that is a 95 ODP regional starter and and one just made the 97 pool. Would ask you your experience but oh, thats ammunition or whatever that was..

by Hook It 13/09/12, 10:24 am

Blank77 wrote:
Xara wrote:So based on this, ODP is just more soccer and more money; plain and simple.

I'm confused, so now ODP is now just more soccer and more money? Isn't that OK? Are you ignoring that money is relative and what $75/$125/$610 means to you might mean nothing to someone else. I have 5 kids and soccer is what my 01 loves, so I am not worried about money as I want her to have her own time and identity and this is what she chooses to do. Also, I like my DDs coach, but now since she is in select she doesn't go to any other training or playing, I think it is good for her to interact with other coaches and players. As for her talent and being an Olympic, who knows at age 11. Even if you are in PPL, what is wrong with a few practices and a shot to catch on the bottom ODP squad. It could lead to something, especially as these younger girls grow. I think the notion that 200 girls are thinking about the national team is absurd.

Well put 77! I concur, and add that our DD's are having so much fun with a sport....for her she thrives on the social aspect as much as the competitive aspect. So you drop a G or less for the first year, but hopefully it will be some good memories, etc.... walk a mile see another mile!

Also great to hear about your big family,,, we can relate. Gotem from college to grade school myself!

by Gunners 13/09/12, 10:25 am

For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

by Hook It 13/09/12, 10:26 am

my2cents wrote:
Xara wrote:
my2cents wrote:
Xara wrote:Let's see...

(1) Regular select team soccer practices, twice per week, at least 10 months per year.

(2) Perhaps 60-80 games in the same period including league, tournaments, and scrimmages.

League games- 18, tournaments usually a maximum of 6 per year maybe an average of 4 games each is another 24 perhaps 10 warm up scrimmages per year. 52 at the most where do you find 28 more for your 80?

(3) Extra weekend games for the girls overlapping into rec leagues, futsal, and indoor.

Select players can not play rec at any level. There maybe a few running from select games to indoor or futsal but most indoor for select players is summer or winter off season in place of practice.

(4) Private or semiprivate skills session ordered up by the parents with more money than sense.

The exception not the norm.

(5) Soccer camps in the summer, and now...

(6) ODP training so the parents can arrogantly say "my daughter is in the Olympic Development Program" while on coffee breaks.

Or maybe to fill in the ODP experience question on every college recruitment questionaire because they all have them. Because of title 9 or whatever it is there are many scholarships available on the women's side.

It's an orthopaedic doctor's wet dream. But at least you'll save money by not going on any real family vacations. What an ideal world!

It would seem maybe that is the way it worked out for you but most are more grounded and don't go that route.

I love it when newbie parents take a stand and have no idea what they are talking about:

#1 I'm correct about that one, right?

#2 It's not uncommon at all for a LH D1 or ECNL player to get close to 80 games in a year. There's middle school / high school scrimmages, tournaments, and games. Guest play in tournaments with other teams. Scrimmages between teams within the same club. My estimate of 60-80 is spot on.

#3 Here's where you and a previous poster show your ignorance. Ask around. There are plenty of select players who also play on PSA rec teams. There's no rule against it. I figure it's just to pad the ego of the parents, but such is the case with many on here. By the way, maybe I should add these games to my 60-80 estimate.

#4 I didn't say everyone was in private skills, but many do it at some point. My statement is accurate as posted.

#5 Xara is right again.

#6 "...there are many scholarships available on the women's side." LMAO. What a classic line! Brilliant! Yeah, there's loads of money out there for female soccer players. I believe the average is $2-$3K per year. That should cover the books and the first 3 months of a meal plan.

I just read that they expect 200 girls in the 01 group from North Texas alone. Is that a typo? That means their parents believe they are good enough for the OLYMPIC Development Program. The freakin' Olympics! There are maybe 2 in this area that could ever be at that level. But 200 will pay up because - like you - they have convinced themselves their daughters are something they are not. My recommendation to at least 170 of these parents is to take the ODP money and buy lottery tickets. The odds for a decent ROI are much better.

Hardly a newby. Have a BB that is a 95 ODP regional starter and and one just made the 97 pool. Would ask you your experience but oh, thats ammunition or whatever that was..

Wait for it, wait for it........ CHA CHING! Razz

by Guest 13/09/12, 10:30 am

Xara wrote:
4-4-2-Diamond wrote:
Xara wrote: I wish I were wrong about all of this, but I'm not.

So what if you ARE right? You're only right about a very small percentage of girls playing the sport in NTX. If they have that kind of passion for the game, what qualifies you to conclude they play too much? Compared to who? The kids who are only casually interested?

Kids passionate about soccer, or any other sport, or any activity, seek that activity out nearly every day. Parents can't manufacture passion, and they can't force them to do it but for so long...if the motivation isn't coming from the child, the kid isn't going to do it. Period.

So if 2% of kids love to play soccer year round, we figure out a way to nourish that passion, not force them into a box of mediocrity so they conform to some new age, wussified American parenting ideal of never letting our kids stretch themselves.

Show me the long line of American kids ruined because their parents pushed them too hard at anything. I'll show you a line 20 times longer of kids with an entitlement mentality that never learned to compete or endure any hardship in pursuit of any goal.

Everyone tries to find the balance that works for their own family, but American soccer looks the way it does because the vast majority of our players grow up only seeing a ball twice a week at practice and once a week at a game. Why anyone would think a thread about ODP is the place to advocate more of the same is beyond me.

Here's my bold yet obvious prediction for your daughter, 4-4-2: She'll be done with the sport by 10th grade. Any guess as to who's fault it will be? Again, I will be right about this, but wish I were wrong. I can tell simply by what you've written how it will all play out. Scary, huh?

Thanks Xara!! I just told my kid to put the guitar down and quit practicing so much, so that she will enjoy playing it once she gets past the 10th grade!! Now, I've got to call the guitar teacher and cancel all of the Rock School appointments. On the plus side, she will have time to go watch all of her friends, that are continuing to practice, perform at different venues. Hopefully all of those kids will get tired of playing and my kid will pick it back up at that point, just in time to WOW some talent scout!! lol!

by setplay 13/09/12, 10:47 am

guitar? now thats crazy. the carpal tunnel risks are every hand surgeons wildest dream. so how many times a year does she play. i bet 100 plus. yall are wild people letting your kids play music, too dangerous for us.

by 229er 13/09/12, 11:00 am

Definitely some diminishing returns and even potential physical harm from overtraining and single sport focus at an early age. Certianly varies from child to child, but there is an increasing body of evidence out there that unless some supplemental work on muscles ignored by the primary sport ocuurs regularly combined with an appropriate amount of rest, the child is being set up for some potentially serious injuries down the line.

However, most people I have talked to have spoken highly of ODP and I have seen first hand the level of skill development through the improved play of some of my daughters team members. So I guess its all about knowing your kid and researching what you can do to keep her healthy if this is truly her passion.

Nothing wrong with having passion and kids "stretching themselves", but the trick is how to square that with an equally important obligation of a parent to expose kids to a broad range of activities that will help them discover who they are and mold them into productive citizens within the confines of the colossal time suck that competitive soccer is. I submit that exposure to music, art, travel, and community service (faith based or otherwize)are all equally important to sports in molding character. Sounds like 4-4-2 has the magic formula to make all this happen all while keeping the grades up. You should bottle and sell my man!

by Blank77 13/09/12, 11:29 am

Gunners wrote:For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

Both relative items, how can you say what someone else's time and money are worth? I could argue that select isn't worth the time and money.

by Hook It 13/09/12, 01:22 pm

Blank77 wrote:
Gunners wrote:For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

Both relative items, how can you say what someone else's time and money are worth? I could argue that select isn't worth the time and money.

Hey Gunners -
if they just go throught the tryout experience and nothing more - $75 for 8-9hours... unless thay are just standing around? Never been to one but we are going to go to this one and develop our own personal experience. I do value my cash and my time even more, but it is such a small amount of both I do not see any down side.

Each step forward we can decide it is not worth our time and money. Perhaps you could explain to us who have not been there before.... please share some personal first hand experiences you have had with your kids who have been in the program.... thanks!

by Gunners 13/09/12, 01:39 pm

Blank77 wrote:
Gunners wrote:For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

Both relative items, how can you say what someone else's time and money are worth? I could argue that select isn't worth the time and money.

It's just my opinion that there are more valuable ways to spend both than participating in ODP IF you're not going to be apart of that 2% (Regional Team). I didn't mean to imply it's worthless, just better options for bettering ones self. As for your argument re select, I'm afraid that doesn't hold water. Select is what I consider to be a necessary evil if a child aspires to play at a higher level, ODP is not.

by Gunners 13/09/12, 01:46 pm

Hook It wrote:
Blank77 wrote:
Gunners wrote:For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

Both relative items, how can you say what someone else's time and money are worth? I could argue that select isn't worth the time and money.

Hey Gunners -
if they just go throught the tryout experience and nothing more - $75 for 8-9hours... unless thay are just standing around? Never been to one but we are going to go to this one and develop our own personal experience. I do value my cash and my time even more, but it is such a small amount of both I do not see any down side.

Each step forward we can decide it is not worth our time and money. Perhaps you could explain to us who have not been there before.... please share some personal first hand experiences you have had with your kids who have been in the program.... thanks!

This sounds like a great approach. One I wish I had taken with my oldest dd, but thankfully I did with my second dd (both of which participated in ODP for multiple years).

In hindsight, ODP wasn't a bad thing, as some would imply, but one I would have approached and handled differently having gone through it.

by Blank77 13/09/12, 01:56 pm

Gunners wrote:
Blank77 wrote:
Gunners wrote:For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

Both relative items, how can you say what someone else's time and money are worth? I could argue that select isn't worth the time and money.

It's just my opinion that there are more valuable ways to spend both than participating in ODP IF you're not going to be apart of that 2% (Regional Team). I didn't mean to imply it's worthless, just better options for bettering ones self. As for your argument re select, I'm afraid that doesn't hold water. Select is what I consider to be a necessary evil if a child aspires to play at a higher level, ODP is not.

I'd say the majority of the select girls are not going to play at a higher level. I respect and value your opinions but to say others don't hold water because their goals and relative values of time and money don't line up is close minded.

by Guest 13/09/12, 04:12 pm

Blank77 wrote:
Gunners wrote:For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

Both relative items, how can you say what someone else's time and money are worth? I could argue that select isn't worth the time and money.

You can definitely make the argument that select soccer is not worth the time and money. In fact, such an argument would be far more "right" than "wrong". The stats are readily available on this and have been reproduced on this board ad nauseum. As such, Gunners makes a valid point that ODP is not worth the time or money. Sure, you can get into all of that intrinsic value b.s. as though it will mean so much to a kid who's only average at soccer to get out there and get turned down like most will. If that's really the measuring stick, than take the family out to a dinner and movie. It accomplishes much more than joining the other 199 '01 girls for a pretty lame workout.

Fools and their money...

by Blank77 13/09/12, 04:19 pm

I wouldn't say fools and their money, more like parents and the things we do for our kids. When it comes right down to it, most of it doesn't make logical sense but we do it because of the immediate gratification from making our kids happy. Hopefully, when the grow up they will appreciate our efforts and remember their childhood as rewarding with many fond memories. It isn't like any will be playing soccer in 20 years for a living.

by MiddleClass 13/09/12, 05:39 pm

Im considering the ODP tryout for the dd. Should I get advice from Xara, Blank, Gunners or Soccer Fanatic?

by Hook It 13/09/12, 05:43 pm

Xara wrote:
Blank77 wrote:
Gunners wrote:For about 98% of this kids involved, ODP is not worth the time or money.

Both relative items, how can you say what someone else's time and money are worth? I could argue that select isn't worth the time and money.

You can definitely make the argument that select soccer is not worth the time and money. In fact, such an argument would be far more "right" than "wrong". The stats are readily available on this and have been reproduced on this board ad nauseum. As such, Gunners makes a valid point that ODP is not worth the time or money. Sure, you can get into all of that intrinsic value b.s. as though it will mean so much to a kid who's only average at soccer to get out there and get turned down like most will. If that's really the measuring stick, than take the family out to a dinner and movie. It accomplishes much more than joining the other 199 '01 girls for a pretty lame workout.

Fools and their money...

"lame work outs" - might as well cancel all rec/YMCA/Driven/////...sports, etc. Tough to judge who will benefit what and in which way... being the best you can be, or even better than you ever thought you could builds the base to our childrens belief in themselves....sounds a bit rightous, but what the heck - it actually how I feel king

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