***rankings*** Best player pool for select

Who has the best player pool pre select?

1. Liverpool - Rase, Dalglish, Keegan, and a couple others all basically in the same area. Enough to make 2 top teams at least.

2. Texans - Is this the season Scott steps up? Has the deleon players to add in. Maybe a southie or two but they are really their own team. There is rosales and the GET program. Texans will make a top team. A few Scott parents may be surprised by who is on it.

3. Sting - Has a few solid teams to do a little shuffling with. Just keep the sideline clear of rocks.

4. solar - Has a great team and a master tactician but as a club each team seams to be it's own island.

5. The Feet-rs - I believe they have a new coach assembling a super feet team as we speak

6. FCD - Hello? is anybody there? I am sure Suarez or sombody will descend from Mt. High and assmble something of note so they could rise rapidly. Beware LP you guys are sharing a backyard.

7. DTS - Yes they are their own thing and will probably rise somewhere in there. I don't see them hitting the lofty heights of the 03's though

go99 wrote:Who has the best player pool pre select?

1. Liverpool - Rase, Dalglish, Keegan, and a couple others all basically in the same area. Enough to make 2 top teams at least.

2. Texans - Is this the season Scott steps up? Has the deleon players to add in. Maybe a southie or two but they are really their own team. There is rosales and the GET program. Texans will make a top team. A few Scott parents may be surprised by who is on it.

3. Sting - Has a few solid teams to do a little shuffling with. Just keep the sideline clear of rocks.

4. solar - Has a great team and a master tactician but as a club each team seams to be it's own island.

5. The Feet-rs - I believe they have a new coach assembling a super feet team as we speak

6. FCD - Hello? is anybody there? I am sure Suarez or sombody will descend from Mt. High and assmble something of note so they could rise rapidly. Beware LP you guys are sharing a backyard.

7. DTS - Yes they are their own thing and will probably rise somewhere in there. I don't see them hitting the lofty heights of the 03's though

I hear there's a rec team playing in the Keller Soccer Association that hasn't lost since being formed as U4s. They have a Spanish coach who has them do nothing but rondo, rondo, rondo (https://youtu.be/3RNfaIW5k1g) during their one hour practice each week. Word is they intend to enter some tourneys after fall season... and they don't intend to lose. That's what I hear at least.

Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

Busby Babes wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

Rumor has it that KSD had an impeccable record as a hall monitor during his Jr. High years as well...

Busby Babes wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

No worries. I saw where you recently corrected someone on the correct spelling of "offside"... that was nice work my friend.

bwgophers wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

Rumor has it that KSD had an impeccable record as a hall monitor during his Jr. High years as well...

True dat.

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Why would they jump before they are ECNL? No doubt everyone will lose players once ECNL teams start forming. Biggest lie ever told is join our club so you can be part of the ECNL. The ECNL clubs will take the best players they can get their hands on. Would be curious to hear your rankings. And I have said it before, I am alot of things but biased is not one of them.

bwgophers wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

Rumor has it that KSD had an impeccable record as a hall monitor during his Jr. High years as well...

LOL, and possibly a standout on the Chess Team...

Busby Babes wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

Rumor has it that KSD had an impeccable record as a hall monitor during his Jr. High years as well...

LOL, and possibly a standout on the Chess Team...

I won't lie... I'm not bad at chess.

Busby Babes wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

Rumor has it that KSD had an impeccable record as a hall monitor during his Jr. High years as well...

LOL, and possibly a standout on the Chess Team...

Also heard he rocks the sexy orange field marshal vest like no one else...

go99 wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Why would they jump before they are ECNL? No doubt everyone will lose players once ECNL teams start forming. Biggest lie ever told is join are club so you can be part of the ECNL. The ECNL clubs will take the best players they can get their hands on. Would be curious to hear your rankings. And I have said it before, I am alot of things but biased is not one of them.

In a few years, once select starts for this age group. You will see players jumping ship like the Titanic to ECNL clubs. I laugh when I see the obvious biased posts, mainly because of the fact it's humorous, but moreover, because of the fact that my knowledge of the sport, and ability to siphon through the levels of the talent available, is vast..

bwgophers wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Definitely?

http://www.d-e-f-i-n-i-t-e-l-y.com/

Ooops, got caught by the spelling police.... Apologies..

Rumor has it that KSD had an impeccable record as a hall monitor during his Jr. High years as well...

LOL, and possibly a standout on the Chess Team...

Also heard he rocks the sexy orange field marshal vest like no one else...

Are you complaining? Would you rather do it?

Gopher, in all seriousness, I do appreciate all the work you do for North Texas Soccer with the rankings... and I really mean that without sarcasm.

I'd also add that once select is upon this group, expect about 30-40% of these girls to have moved on from the sport for several reasons..

Busby Babes wrote:I'd also add that once select is upon this group, expect about 30-40% of these girls to have moved on from the sport for several reasons..

Serious question... were the kids playing select this season as "active" in Academy soccer when they were U7 and U8? My kid is an 05 so I have no experience with older age groups. I ask since I'm curious if burn out for the current 05, 06, and 07 age groups may be more severe compared to the kids that went before them. Or were the kids playing select today practicing several times a week and playing as many games when they were U7/8 younglings?

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:I'd also add that once select is upon this group, expect about 30-40% of these girls to have moved on from the sport for several reasons..

Serious question... were the kids playing select this season as "active" in Academy soccer when they were U7 and U8? My kid is an 05 so I have no experience with older age groups. I ask since I'm curious if burn out for the current 05, 06, and 07 age groups may be more severe compared to the kids that went before them. Or were the kids playing select today practicing several times a week and playing as many games when they were younglings?

Some of them I'm sure were. Reasons for kids dropping the sport though include: burnout, parents pushing the sport too much, physical changes in a player and their ability athletically, etc. These are reasons, though there are many others.. Other sports being introduced in middle schools, changing interests..

go99 wrote:Who has the best player pool pre select?

1. Liverpool - Rase, Dalglish, Keegan, and a couple others all basically in the same area. Enough to make 2 top teams at least.

2. Texans - Is this the season Scott steps up? Has the deleon players to add in. Maybe a southie or two but they are really their own team. There is rosales and the GET program. Texans will make a top team. A few Scott parents may be surprised by who is on it.

3. Sting - Has a few solid teams to do a little shuffling with. Just keep the sideline clear of rocks.

4. solar - Has a great team and a master tactician but as a club each team seams to be it's own island.

5. The Feet-rs - I believe they have a new coach assembling a super feet team as we speak

6. FCD - Hello? is anybody there? I am sure Suarez or sombody will descend from Mt. High and assmble something of note so they could rise rapidly. Beware LP you guys are sharing a backyard.

7. DTS - Yes they are their own thing and will probably rise somewhere in there. I don't see them hitting the lofty heights of the 03's though

Overall probably still too early to say. Still 2 years away and I expect we will see a TON of changes.

Right now clearly liverpool has the largest pool to pull from and RASE is the number 1 team. Although RASE has the skill, I don't see the anywhere near the 03 SRSA level athletic dominance of the 04 age group.

I think if Sting were to combine its top players you would have a top 3/4 team.

I hear FC Dallas is starting to focus more on the 04s... They will benefit from unhappy players at other top teams collecting here over the next 12 months.

DTS 03s are the #2/#3 03 team. That's a difficult feat to improve upon. Still, I think the DTS 04s are currently in the top 3 of the 04 age group and have better athletes than the DTS 03s RELATIVE to the age group. Keep in mind the 03s have been with coach Adames for about 18+ more months than the 04s who are still less than a year with him.

I think the 04 teams come select will be tighter at the top than the 03s.

Politics and chemistry will play a part. I am going to use Liverpool as an example, but this is not exclusive to them - but here is the problem with picking from a "pool" as you say:

Say a player is on Rase, has dutifully done the camps, paid the money, etc...but doesn't make the "A" team when the U-11 teams are built due to the pool mentality. They get disappointed, possibly in the whole Liverpool organization, and instead of being a key player on the "B" team, they leave the club altogether - possibly making the "A" team of another club a bit stronger.

Assembling a team from a pool means you have to start almost from scratch in building chemistry. If you are pulling in the core players from 3-4 teams, you are in even worse shape, because you have to break down the "clique" factor in the players and even the parents. Its a tough psychological exercise for the coach - and chances are, you will have at least 2 former team managers competing with each other to be "in charge" which may cause some bad blood.

Generally, from my experience, the team seperation (or cream rising if you take a conceited view of it like most parents of top players) happens at U-10 (U-9 is your tryout year). This gives the coach a year to get the team personality formed, but still have time to weed out any cancerous attitudes from kids or parents. It also gives the coach the ability to bring in a disgruntled player from a different club mid-season or mid-year, as s/he will not have that luxury at U-11. By February/March 2014, the roster will pretty much be set for the LHGCL qualifiers even though "open tryouts" officially do not happen until July.

From my experience, 8 of the 10 spots in Classic U-11 are from the "big clubs". Their top team will almost assuredly be in it, and their second team has about a 30-40% chance. The other two teams are usually small club teams that have been together for quite a while, and although they generally are less athletic compared to the big clubs, their team chemistry is superior, they work as a unit, and they have a couple of stud players. That's good enough to get them into D-1, but not win a lot of games due to limited recruiting potential. One will be top 6, the other will be battling to stay out of the cellar with a #2 big club team.

So back on topic - the pool approach will yield you one guaranteed D-1 team. The second team may or may not form, even if you had 3 really great teams to pick from. Your second tier players may scatter to the wind, and your third tier players are gone for sure. They won't want to accept being labeled a D-3 or PPL player after investing so much in the program they were sold.

10sDad wrote:Politics and chemistry will play a part. I am going to use Liverpool as an example, but this is not exclusive to them - but here is the problem with picking from a "pool" as you say:

Say a player is on Rase, has dutifully done the camps, paid the money, etc...but doesn't make the "A" team when the U-11 teams are built due to the pool mentality. They get disappointed, possibly in the whole Liverpool organization, and instead of being a key player on the "B" team, they leave the club altogether - possibly making the "A" team of another club a bit stronger.

Assembling a team from a pool means you have to start almost from scratch in building chemistry. If you are pulling in the core players from 3-4 teams, you are in even worse shape, because you have to break down the "clique" factor in the players and even the parents. Its a tough psychological exercise for the coach - and chances are, you will have at least 2 former team managers competing with each other to be "in charge" which may cause some bad blood.

Generally, from my experience, the team seperation (or cream rising if you take a conceited view of it like most parents of top players) happens at U-10 (U-9 is your tryout year). This gives the coach a year to get the team personality formed, but still have time to weed out any cancerous attitudes from kids or parents. It also gives the coach the ability to bring in a disgruntled player from a different club mid-season or mid-year, as s/he will not have that luxury at U-11. By February/March 2014, the roster will pretty much be set for the LHGCL qualifiers even though "open tryouts" officially do not happen until July.

From my experience, 8 of the 10 spots in Classic U-11 are from the "big clubs". Their top team will almost assuredly be in it, and their second team has about a 30-40% chance. The other two teams are usually small club teams that have been together for quite a while, and although they generally are less athletic compared to the big clubs, their team chemistry is superior, they work as a unit, and they have a couple of stud players. That's good enough to get them into D-1, but not win a lot of games due to limited recruiting potential. One will be top 6, the other will be battling to stay out of the cellar with a #2 big club team.

So back on topic - the pool approach will yield you one guaranteed D-1 team. The second team may or may not form, even if you had 3 really great teams to pick from. Your second tier players may scatter to the wind, and your third tier players are gone for sure. They won't want to accept being labeled a D-3 or PPL player after investing so much in the program they were sold.

A lot of truth in this.. Well done.

10sDad wrote:Politics and chemistry will play a part. I am going to use Liverpool as an example, but this is not exclusive to them - but here is the problem with picking from a "pool" as you say:

Say a player is on Rase, has dutifully done the camps, paid the money, etc...but doesn't make the "A" team when the U-11 teams are built due to the pool mentality. They get disappointed, possibly in the whole Liverpool organization, and instead of being a key player on the "B" team, they leave the club altogether - possibly making the "A" team of another club a bit stronger.

Assembling a team from a pool means you have to start almost from scratch in building chemistry. If you are pulling in the core players from 3-4 teams, you are in even worse shape, because you have to break down the "clique" factor in the players and even the parents. Its a tough psychological exercise for the coach - and chances are, you will have at least 2 former team managers competing with each other to be "in charge" which may cause some bad blood.

Generally, from my experience, the team seperation (or cream rising if you take a conceited view of it like most parents of top players) happens at U-10 (U-9 is your tryout year). This gives the coach a year to get the team personality formed, but still have time to weed out any cancerous attitudes from kids or parents. It also gives the coach the ability to bring in a disgruntled player from a different club mid-season or mid-year, as s/he will not have that luxury at U-11. By February/March 2014, the roster will pretty much be set for the LHGCL qualifiers even though "open tryouts" officially do not happen until July.

From my experience, 8 of the 10 spots in Classic U-11 are from the "big clubs". Their top team will almost assuredly be in it, and their second team has about a 30-40% chance. The other two teams are usually small club teams that have been together for quite a while, and although they generally are less athletic compared to the big clubs, their team chemistry is superior, they work as a unit, and they have a couple of stud players. That's good enough to get them into D-1, but not win a lot of games due to limited recruiting potential. One will be top 6, the other will be battling to stay out of the cellar with a #2 big club team.

So back on topic - the pool approach will yield you one guaranteed D-1 team. The second team may or may not form, even if you had 3 really great teams to pick from. Your second tier players may scatter to the wind, and your third tier players are gone for sure. They won't want to accept being labeled a D-3 or PPL player after investing so much in the program they were sold.

Is there a top 5 select team (any age group) that wasn't assembled via the pool model? I really don't know. My guess is smaller clubs may grow teams "organically" for lack of a better word. But what about the big clubs? Are their select rosters similar to what they were when they were U8/9?

kellersoccerdad wrote:

10sDad wrote:Politics and chemistry will play a part. I am going to use Liverpool as an example, but this is not exclusive to them - but here is the problem with picking from a "pool" as you say:

Say a player is on Rase, has dutifully done the camps, paid the money, etc...but doesn't make the "A" team when the U-11 teams are built due to the pool mentality. They get disappointed, possibly in the whole Liverpool organization, and instead of being a key player on the "B" team, they leave the club altogether - possibly making the "A" team of another club a bit stronger.

Assembling a team from a pool means you have to start almost from scratch in building chemistry. If you are pulling in the core players from 3-4 teams, you are in even worse shape, because you have to break down the "clique" factor in the players and even the parents. Its a tough psychological exercise for the coach - and chances are, you will have at least 2 former team managers competing with each other to be "in charge" which may cause some bad blood.

Generally, from my experience, the team seperation (or cream rising if you take a conceited view of it like most parents of top players) happens at U-10 (U-9 is your tryout year). This gives the coach a year to get the team personality formed, but still have time to weed out any cancerous attitudes from kids or parents. It also gives the coach the ability to bring in a disgruntled player from a different club mid-season or mid-year, as s/he will not have that luxury at U-11. By February/March 2014, the roster will pretty much be set for the LHGCL qualifiers even though "open tryouts" officially do not happen until July.

From my experience, 8 of the 10 spots in Classic U-11 are from the "big clubs". Their top team will almost assuredly be in it, and their second team has about a 30-40% chance. The other two teams are usually small club teams that have been together for quite a while, and although they generally are less athletic compared to the big clubs, their team chemistry is superior, they work as a unit, and they have a couple of stud players. That's good enough to get them into D-1, but not win a lot of games due to limited recruiting potential. One will be top 6, the other will be battling to stay out of the cellar with a #2 big club team.

So back on topic - the pool approach will yield you one guaranteed D-1 team. The second team may or may not form, even if you had 3 really great teams to pick from. Your second tier players may scatter to the wind, and your third tier players are gone for sure. They won't want to accept being labeled a D-3 or PPL player after investing so much in the program they were sold.

Is there a top 5 select team (any age group) that wasn't assembled via the pool model? I really don't know. My guess is smaller clubs may grow teams "organically" for lack of a better word. But what about the big clubs? Are their select rosters similar to what they were when they were U8/9?

DTS 02s. DTS is as "organic" as an indpendant club and doesn't really operate via pools and doesn't share players back and forth with Texans in part due to distance and also that the coach doesn't like to recruit or share players he develops. They will however send players to Texans ECNL when the time comes.

okay there's alot of stating the obvious here. There is no telling what will happen in the last year plus that they have but the reality is it is always a pool of players in a club. A team is 12 maybe 13 players and has to go to 16 and then player fallout has to be included. So yes there will be alot of changes before select but thats how I see the pool as it stands today. I would be interested to hear if you have a take on the current groups. ECNL pilfering players will happen but I don't see it playing a major impact at U10

Shelby427 wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

10sDad wrote:Politics and chemistry will play a part. I am going to use Liverpool as an example, but this is not exclusive to them - but here is the problem with picking from a "pool" as you say:

Say a player is on Rase, has dutifully done the camps, paid the money, etc...but doesn't make the "A" team when the U-11 teams are built due to the pool mentality. They get disappointed, possibly in the whole Liverpool organization, and instead of being a key player on the "B" team, they leave the club altogether - possibly making the "A" team of another club a bit stronger.

Assembling a team from a pool means you have to start almost from scratch in building chemistry. If you are pulling in the core players from 3-4 teams, you are in even worse shape, because you have to break down the "clique" factor in the players and even the parents. Its a tough psychological exercise for the coach - and chances are, you will have at least 2 former team managers competing with each other to be "in charge" which may cause some bad blood.

Generally, from my experience, the team seperation (or cream rising if you take a conceited view of it like most parents of top players) happens at U-10 (U-9 is your tryout year). This gives the coach a year to get the team personality formed, but still have time to weed out any cancerous attitudes from kids or parents. It also gives the coach the ability to bring in a disgruntled player from a different club mid-season or mid-year, as s/he will not have that luxury at U-11. By February/March 2014, the roster will pretty much be set for the LHGCL qualifiers even though "open tryouts" officially do not happen until July.

From my experience, 8 of the 10 spots in Classic U-11 are from the "big clubs". Their top team will almost assuredly be in it, and their second team has about a 30-40% chance. The other two teams are usually small club teams that have been together for quite a while, and although they generally are less athletic compared to the big clubs, their team chemistry is superior, they work as a unit, and they have a couple of stud players. That's good enough to get them into D-1, but not win a lot of games due to limited recruiting potential. One will be top 6, the other will be battling to stay out of the cellar with a #2 big club team.

So back on topic - the pool approach will yield you one guaranteed D-1 team. The second team may or may not form, even if you had 3 really great teams to pick from. Your second tier players may scatter to the wind, and your third tier players are gone for sure. They won't want to accept being labeled a D-3 or PPL player after investing so much in the program they were sold.

Is there a top 5 select team (any age group) that wasn't assembled via the pool model? I really don't know. My guess is smaller clubs may grow teams "organically" for lack of a better word. But what about the big clubs? Are their select rosters similar to what they were when they were U8/9?

DTS 02s. DTS is as "organic" as an indpendant club and doesn't really operate via pools and doesn't share players back and forth with Texans in part due to distance and also that the coach doesn't like to recruit or share players he develops. They will however send players to Texans ECNL when the time comes.

That is why i put DTS as a seperate entity. Both girls and boys sides seem to operate independently. I do agree on your take with the 04 team vs the 03 team though. Oh, what happened to Juve turning to FCD east? That could be promising.

go99 wrote:Who has the best player pool pre select?

1. Liverpool - Rase, Dalglish, Keegan, and a couple others all basically in the same area. Enough to make 2 top teams at least.

2. Texans - Is this the season Scott steps up? Has the deleon players to add in. Maybe a southie or two but they are really their own team. There is rosales and the GET program. Texans will make a top team. A few Scott parents may be surprised by who is on it.

3. Sting - Has a few solid teams to do a little shuffling with. Just keep the sideline clear of rocks.

4. solar - Has a great team and a master tactician but as a club each team seams to be it's own island.

5. The Feet-rs - I believe they have a new coach assembling a super feet team as we speak

6. FCD - Hello? is anybody there? I am sure Suarez or sombody will descend from Mt. High and assmble something of note so they could rise rapidly. Beware LP you guys are sharing a backyard.

7. DTS - Yes they are their own thing and will probably rise somewhere in there. I don't see them hitting the lofty heights of the 03's though

I heard Grubb might be forming an FCD Premier 04 team soon. When that happens I'm sure FCD will get some very good players based on his reputation of forming very good teams. Also, everyone knows that FCD has the best facilities, uniforms(maybe Celtic has a claim here) and their prices both academy and select are usually cheaper.