***rankings*** Best player pool for select

go99 wrote:Who has the best player pool pre select?

1. Liverpool - Rase, Dalglish, Keegan, and a couple others all basically in the same area. Enough to make 2 top teams at least.

2. Texans - Is this the season Scott steps up? Has the deleon players to add in. Maybe a southie or two but they are really their own team. There is rosales and the GET program. Texans will make a top team. A few Scott parents may be surprised by who is on it.

3. Sting - Has a few solid teams to do a little shuffling with. Just keep the sideline clear of rocks.

4. solar - Has a great team and a master tactician but as a club each team seams to be it's own island.

5. The Feet-rs - I believe they have a new coach assembling a super feet team as we speak

6. FCD - Hello? is anybody there? I am sure Suarez or sombody will descend from Mt. High and assmble something of note so they could rise rapidly. Beware LP you guys are sharing a backyard.

7. DTS - Yes they are their own thing and will probably rise somewhere in there. I don't see them hitting the lofty heights of the 03's though

RoidRage wrote:
I heard Grubb might be forming an FCD Premier 04 team soon. When that happens I'm sure FCD will get some very good players based on his reputation of forming very good teams. Also, everyone knows that FCD has the best facilities, uniforms(maybe Celtic has a claim here) and their prices both academy and select are usually cheaper.

10sDad wrote:

RoidRage wrote:
I heard Grubb might be forming an FCD Premier 04 team soon. When that happens I'm sure FCD will get some very good players based on his reputation of forming very good teams. Also, everyone knows that FCD has the best facilities, uniforms(maybe Celtic has a claim here) and their prices both academy and select are usually cheaper.

Yes...uniforms is my biggest factor when picking a team...

10sDad wrote:

RoidRage wrote:
I heard Grubb might be forming an FCD Premier 04 team soon. When that happens I'm sure FCD will get some very good players based on his reputation of forming very good teams. Also, everyone knows that FCD has the best facilities, uniforms(maybe Celtic has a claim here) and their prices both academy and select are usually cheaper.

Yes...uniforms is my biggest factor when picking a team...

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:I'd also add that once select is upon this group, expect about 30-40% of these girls to have moved on from the sport for several reasons..

Serious question... were the kids playing select this season as "active" in Academy soccer when they were U7 and U8? My kid is an 05 so I have no experience with older age groups. I ask since I'm curious if burn out for the current 05, 06, and 07 age groups may be more severe compared to the kids that went before them. Or were the kids playing select today practicing several times a week and playing as many games when they were U7/8 younglings?

bigtex75081 wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:I'd also add that once select is upon this group, expect about 30-40% of these girls to have moved on from the sport for several reasons..

Serious question... were the kids playing select this season as "active" in Academy soccer when they were U7 and U8? My kid is an 05 so I have no experience with older age groups. I ask since I'm curious if burn out for the current 05, 06, and 07 age groups may be more severe compared to the kids that went before them. Or were the kids playing select today practicing several times a week and playing as many games when they were U7/8 younglings?

At this age there is only one source for burnout and that's the parents. A kid alone on a field with a soccer ball isn't going to burn out. A kid playing on a goofy but fun rec soccer team once a week and taking dance classes and taking art classes... isn't going to burn out.

A kid can play soccer all day as long as it's fun. Burnout comes because soccer just being for fun isn't good enough for some parents. It's the parents that insist that their kid has some type of compulsion to compete on the "next level" that facilitate burnout.

Burnout comes from stress. If the kid is feeling stressed about soccer, burnout will be coming around the corner very soon.

Maybe they're feeling too much pressure to win. Maybe they keep hearing mom complain about how bad traffic is during the car rides to practice. Maybe they hear about all the things they screwed up on after each game. Maybe they hear about how their family is going broke because soccer costs too much. Maybe everytime they try to play their Nintendo they're ordered into the backyard to practice juggling instead. Maybe they just want to play soccer but the coach thinks your 8 year-old hasn't done enough to earn those minutes yet.

Burnout comes when soccer is percieved to be a punishment or a chore.

Blank77 wrote:

10sDad wrote:

RoidRage wrote:
I heard Grubb might be forming an FCD Premier 04 team soon. When that happens I'm sure FCD will get some very good players based on his reputation of forming very good teams. Also, everyone knows that FCD has the best facilities, uniforms(maybe Celtic has a claim here) and their prices both academy and select are usually cheaper.

Yes...uniforms is my biggest factor when picking a team...

I go by sponser - Samsung, Windows Phone, or Advocare...hmm, where to play?

WingNut wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

kellersoccerdad wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:I'd also add that once select is upon this group, expect about 30-40% of these girls to have moved on from the sport for several reasons..

Serious question... were the kids playing select this season as "active" in Academy soccer when they were U7 and U8? My kid is an 05 so I have no experience with older age groups. I ask since I'm curious if burn out for the current 05, 06, and 07 age groups may be more severe compared to the kids that went before them. Or were the kids playing select today practicing several times a week and playing as many games when they were U7/8 younglings?

At this age there is only one source for burnout and that's the parents. A kid alone on a field with a soccer ball isn't going to burn out. A kid playing on a goofy but fun rec soccer team once a week and taking dance classes and taking art classes... isn't going to burn out.

A kid can play soccer all day as long as it's fun. Burnout comes because soccer just being for fun isn't good enough for some parents. It's the parents that insist that their kid has some type of compulsion to compete on the "next level" that facilitate burnout.

Burnout comes from stress. If the kid is feeling stressed about soccer, burnout will be coming around the corner very soon.

Maybe they're feeling too much pressure to win. Maybe they keep hearing mom complain about how bad traffic is during the car rides to practice. Maybe they hear about all the things they screwed up on after each game. Maybe they hear about how their family is going broke because soccer costs too much. Maybe everytime they try to play their Nintendo they're ordered into the backyard to practice juggling instead. Maybe they just want to play soccer but the coach thinks your 8 year-old hasn't done enough to earn those minutes yet.

Burnout comes when soccer is percieved to be a punishment or a chore.

Busby Babes wrote:

go99 wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Why would they jump before they are ECNL? No doubt everyone will lose players once ECNL teams start forming. Biggest lie ever told is join are club so you can be part of the ECNL. The ECNL clubs will take the best players they can get their hands on. Would be curious to hear your rankings. And I have said it before, I am alot of things but biased is not one of them.

In a few years, once select starts for this age group. You will see players jumping ship like the Titanic to ECNL clubs. I laugh when I see the obvious biased posts, mainly because of the fact it's humorous, but moreover, because of the fact that my knowledge of the sport, and ability to siphon through the levels of the talent available, is vast..

Joe scafone wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

go99 wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Why would they jump before they are ECNL? No doubt everyone will lose players once ECNL teams start forming. Biggest lie ever told is join are club so you can be part of the ECNL. The ECNL clubs will take the best players they can get their hands on. Would be curious to hear your rankings. And I have said it before, I am alot of things but biased is not one of them.

In a few years, once select starts for this age group. You will see players jumping ship like the Titanic to ECNL clubs. I laugh when I see the obvious biased posts, mainly because of the fact it's humorous, but moreover, because of the fact that my knowledge of the sport, and ability to siphon through the levels of the talent available, is vast..

I hear that Liverpool has been accepted to ECNL. Any truth to this? Anyone hear this as well?

totalsoccer wrote:

Joe scafone wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:

go99 wrote:

Busby Babes wrote:Definately nothing biased about this post....I've seen players from all these clubs, and all I can say is your rankings are off...I expect to see players jumping ship to an ECNL affiliated club in a few years..

Why would they jump before they are ECNL? No doubt everyone will lose players once ECNL teams start forming. Biggest lie ever told is join are club so you can be part of the ECNL. The ECNL clubs will take the best players they can get their hands on. Would be curious to hear your rankings. And I have said it before, I am alot of things but biased is not one of them.

In a few years, once select starts for this age group. You will see players jumping ship like the Titanic to ECNL clubs. I laugh when I see the obvious biased posts, mainly because of the fact it's humorous, but moreover, because of the fact that my knowledge of the sport, and ability to siphon through the levels of the talent available, is vast..

I hear that Liverpool has been accepted to ECNL. Any truth to this? Anyone hear this as well?

That would be two clubs I heard in the past week that have been excepted!

kellersoccerdad wrote:

10sDad wrote:Politics and chemistry will play a part. I am going to use Liverpool as an example, but this is not exclusive to them - but here is the problem with picking from a "pool" as you say:

Say a player is on Rase, has dutifully done the camps, paid the money, etc...but doesn't make the "A" team when the U-11 teams are built due to the pool mentality. They get disappointed, possibly in the whole Liverpool organization, and instead of being a key player on the "B" team, they leave the club altogether - possibly making the "A" team of another club a bit stronger.

Assembling a team from a pool means you have to start almost from scratch in building chemistry. If you are pulling in the core players from 3-4 teams, you are in even worse shape, because you have to break down the "clique" factor in the players and even the parents. Its a tough psychological exercise for the coach - and chances are, you will have at least 2 former team managers competing with each other to be "in charge" which may cause some bad blood.

Generally, from my experience, the team seperation (or cream rising if you take a conceited view of it like most parents of top players) happens at U-10 (U-9 is your tryout year). This gives the coach a year to get the team personality formed, but still have time to weed out any cancerous attitudes from kids or parents. It also gives the coach the ability to bring in a disgruntled player from a different club mid-season or mid-year, as s/he will not have that luxury at U-11. By February/March 2014, the roster will pretty much be set for the LHGCL qualifiers even though "open tryouts" officially do not happen until July.

From my experience, 8 of the 10 spots in Classic U-11 are from the "big clubs". Their top team will almost assuredly be in it, and their second team has about a 30-40% chance. The other two teams are usually small club teams that have been together for quite a while, and although they generally are less athletic compared to the big clubs, their team chemistry is superior, they work as a unit, and they have a couple of stud players. That's good enough to get them into D-1, but not win a lot of games due to limited recruiting potential. One will be top 6, the other will be battling to stay out of the cellar with a #2 big club team.

So back on topic - the pool approach will yield you one guaranteed D-1 team. The second team may or may not form, even if you had 3 really great teams to pick from. Your second tier players may scatter to the wind, and your third tier players are gone for sure. They won't want to accept being labeled a D-3 or PPL player after investing so much in the program they were sold.

Is there a top 5 select team (any age group) that wasn't assembled via the pool model? I really don't know. My guess is smaller clubs may grow teams "organically" for lack of a better word. But what about the big clubs? Are their select rosters similar to what they were when they were U8/9?

go99 wrote:FU is not a big club so no they don't use player pools because they don't have any

go99 wrote:FU is not a big club so no they don't use player pools because they don't have any