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soccer4fun wrote:its hard to remain unbiased as my kids have had great coaches with a great club and we have not made any move; in this case if you asked the parents "hey everyone up for a move" I would suspect the answer would be no. In this case with 4 moves in three years I say selfish, the coach is all about whats right for him, not the kids; How in the world is moving clubs this often good for the players ? It is not and unless you are BW or the club doc you do not know the why, but to me it seems like a coach that is all about "me". Either way history says set your clock as in another 12 to 14 months we will be right back here as this group heads to club number 5.

Doesn't it still take 75% of a team to move with its bye? There was obviously some cohesion among the team parents behind this coach. If the team wanted ecnl status, why would they not go for it? Is it better to try and fail or be be scared and stay #2?

UNC Soccer wrote:BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved...this after it had a ton of success. The families and coach had every right to be upset. This was handled poorly and is a poor reflection on LP leadership - or lack thereof. Great move for BW and his 00 team. BW will get the FC Dallas ENCL 00 team and his kids have an opportunity to play for him in the ECNL capacity. That would never happen at LP because LP does not meet the criteria for an ECNL club...the facts are the fact here. The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months....

Good 1st post . I try my best to hold my tongue but feel this post deserves a response fromo me since I am notably the most knowedgeable parent in NTX, not to mention the best looking (I got the ribbon to prove it).

BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. “What you see and what you hear depends a great deal on where you are standing. It also depends on what sort of person you are.” - CS LEWIS

Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved - It sounds to me (see CS Lewis quote above - speaking of myself) that an assumtion is being made that the club parents, at least the ones approached about CPI, felt that CPI would be a benefit to their children. Well, I can tell you for a fact that after much research and discussion that the decision to not go the CPI route was not made lightly. Just as people have issue with ECNL and ODP, many had issue with CPI. Yes, CPI has had much success but that does not mean it is the right direction for all. Perhaps, just perhaps, the club is moving in another direction that will be a better fit for the majority.

The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months. - LP ELITE 98's are argueably one of the best teams around and the team and parents seem to be very satisfied with the direction the team and club are moving in. The 00's also are argueably one of the best teams around as well...could the moajority possibly be happy with the direction the team and club are heading?

As for coaches doing what is right for the girls, the club, themselves, the parents...well, the important thing to remember is that select soccer is a business and when it comes down to it, the girls and the parents are ultimately, a commodity. For many coaches, the income from soccer puts food on the table, pays mortgages and can be a major part of the total household income. I would not knock any coach for making what they believe to be a good career move. People move from company to company all of the time for what they believe to be a better opportunity. on the flip side, since few of us sit in the meetings and discuss market share, customer expectaions, finances, the economy and how it affects the clubs...it is hard to knowck a clubs decision as well.

All that said, good luck BW and good luck to all of the girls, FC Dallas, Liverpool. I hope the move is good for everyone and improves the level of soccer and competition.

Antipelagian wrote:

UNC Soccer wrote:BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved...this after it had a ton of success. The families and coach had every right to be upset. This was handled poorly and is a poor reflection on LP leadership - or lack thereof. Great move for BW and his 00 team. BW will get the FC Dallas ENCL 00 team and his kids have an opportunity to play for him in the ECNL capacity. That would never happen at LP because LP does not meet the criteria for an ECNL club...the facts are the fact here. The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months....

Good 1st post . I try my best to hold my tongue but feel this post deserves a response fromo me since I am notably the most knowedgeable parent in NTX, not to mention the best looking (I got the ribbon to prove it).

BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. “What you see and what you hear depends a great deal on where you are standing. It also depends on what sort of person you are.” - CS LEWIS

Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved - It sounds to me (see CS Lewis quote above - speaking of myself) that an assumtion is being made that the club parents, at least the ones approached about CPI, felt that CPI would be a benefit to their children. Well, I can tell you for a fact that after much research and discussion that the decision to not go the CPI route was not made lightly. Just as people have issue with ECNL and ODP, many had issue with CPI. Yes, CPI has had much success but that does not mean it is the right direction for all. Perhaps, just perhaps, the club is moving in another direction that will be a better fit for the majority.

The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months. - LP ELITE 98's are argueably one of the best teams around and the team and parents seem to be very satisfied with the direction the team and club are moving in. The 00's also are argueably one of the best teams around as well...could the moajority possibly be happy with the direction the team and club are heading?

As for coaches doing what is right for the girls, the club, themselves, the parents...well, the important thing to remember is that select soccer is a business and when it comes down to it, the girls and the parents are ultimately, a commodity. For many coaches, the income from soccer puts food on the table, pays mortgages and can be a major part of the total household income. I would not knock any coach for making what they believe to be a good career move. People move from company to company all of the time for what they believe to be a better opportunity. on the flip side, since few of us sit in the meetings and discuss market share, customer expectaions, finances, the economy and how it affects the clubs...it is hard to knowck a clubs decision as well.

All that said, good luck BW and good luck to all of the girls, FC Dallas, Liverpool. I hope the move is good for everyone and improves the level of soccer and competition.

Great Post. A distinction to the above statement that would serve clubs and parents well to remember is that Girls/Parents are clients (pay to participate) instead of commodities (paid to participate), and should be treated as such. We pay an organization and their employees to train our daughters so they can judge her ability to compete on the soccer field.

Business and greedy employees have perverted girls soccer when a group of clients decide to change venders, but when a 12 yr gets cut the week of signing, it's "not personal"; its competion, its ntx soccer: she just wasnt good enough and its about what's best for the team. Competition. No disrespect to any other previous posts, but any moral indignation we have for these clubs, in a matter like this, is somewhat misplaced.

Someone told these parents that their DDs werent good enough to play ecnl ... obviously someone disagreed. IF Competition is good measure of our girls and their coaches, then it should be good measure for the clubs as well. I think these clubs have great people and intentions in them. None are are perfect, but competition will make them better.

SoccerJedi wrote:

Antipelagian wrote:

UNC Soccer wrote:BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved...this after it had a ton of success. The families and coach had every right to be upset. This was handled poorly and is a poor reflection on LP leadership - or lack thereof. Great move for BW and his 00 team. BW will get the FC Dallas ENCL 00 team and his kids have an opportunity to play for him in the ECNL capacity. That would never happen at LP because LP does not meet the criteria for an ECNL club...the facts are the fact here. The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months....

Good 1st post . I try my best to hold my tongue but feel this post deserves a response fromo me since I am notably the most knowedgeable parent in NTX, not to mention the best looking (I got the ribbon to prove it).

BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. “What you see and what you hear depends a great deal on where you are standing. It also depends on what sort of person you are.” - CS LEWIS

Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved - It sounds to me (see CS Lewis quote above - speaking of myself) that an assumtion is being made that the club parents, at least the ones approached about CPI, felt that CPI would be a benefit to their children. Well, I can tell you for a fact that after much research and discussion that the decision to not go the CPI route was not made lightly. Just as people have issue with ECNL and ODP, many had issue with CPI. Yes, CPI has had much success but that does not mean it is the right direction for all. Perhaps, just perhaps, the club is moving in another direction that will be a better fit for the majority.

The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months. - LP ELITE 98's are argueably one of the best teams around and the team and parents seem to be very satisfied with the direction the team and club are moving in. The 00's also are argueably one of the best teams around as well...could the moajority possibly be happy with the direction the team and club are heading?

As for coaches doing what is right for the girls, the club, themselves, the parents...well, the important thing to remember is that select soccer is a business and when it comes down to it, the girls and the parents are ultimately, a commodity. For many coaches, the income from soccer puts food on the table, pays mortgages and can be a major part of the total household income. I would not knock any coach for making what they believe to be a good career move. People move from company to company all of the time for what they believe to be a better opportunity. on the flip side, since few of us sit in the meetings and discuss market share, customer expectaions, finances, the economy and how it affects the clubs...it is hard to knowck a clubs decision as well.

All that said, good luck BW and good luck to all of the girls, FC Dallas, Liverpool. I hope the move is good for everyone and improves the level of soccer and competition.

Great Post. A distinction to the above statement that would serve clubs and parents well to remember is that Girls/Parents are clients (pay to participate) instead of commodities (paid to participate), and should be treated as such. We pay an organization and their employees to train our daughters so they can judge her ability to compete on the soccer field.

Business and greedy employees have perverted girls soccer when a group of clients decide to change venders, but when a 12 yr gets cut the week of signing, it's "not personal"; its competion, its ntx soccer: she just wasnt good enough and its about what's best for the team. Competition. No disrespect to any other previous posts, but any moral indignation we have for these clubs, in a matter like this, is somewhat misplaced.

Someone told these parents that their DDs werent good enough to play ecnl ... obviously someone disagreed. IF Competition is good measure of our girls and their coaches, then it should be good measure for the clubs as well. I think these clubs have great people and intentions in them. None are are perfect, but competition will make them better.

I would still term the girls and parents as a commodity in many respects as they are a marketable item produced to satisfy wants and needs (of both parents and clubs) but I also agree that we are also clients. While I certainly feel my daughter's coach cares about her after nearly 9 years of interaction with her I also understand that if she or her parents do not fit into the grand scheme she will be let go. No matter, I agree that the moral indignation towards clubs and coaches is misplaced.

Antipelagian wrote:

SoccerJedi wrote:

Antipelagian wrote:

UNC Soccer wrote:BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved...this after it had a ton of success. The families and coach had every right to be upset. This was handled poorly and is a poor reflection on LP leadership - or lack thereof. Great move for BW and his 00 team. BW will get the FC Dallas ENCL 00 team and his kids have an opportunity to play for him in the ECNL capacity. That would never happen at LP because LP does not meet the criteria for an ECNL club...the facts are the fact here. The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months....

Good 1st post . I try my best to hold my tongue but feel this post deserves a response fromo me since I am notably the most knowedgeable parent in NTX, not to mention the best looking (I got the ribbon to prove it).

BW was promised many things at LP that never came to him. “What you see and what you hear depends a great deal on where you are standing. It also depends on what sort of person you are.” - CS LEWIS

Most notably the CPI program and it was promised to the parents as well but....the LP Elite coach did not like the program or his girls attending it so it was shelved - It sounds to me (see CS Lewis quote above - speaking of myself) that an assumtion is being made that the club parents, at least the ones approached about CPI, felt that CPI would be a benefit to their children. Well, I can tell you for a fact that after much research and discussion that the decision to not go the CPI route was not made lightly. Just as people have issue with ECNL and ODP, many had issue with CPI. Yes, CPI has had much success but that does not mean it is the right direction for all. Perhaps, just perhaps, the club is moving in another direction that will be a better fit for the majority.

The bet is (and I would take this bet) is that Pulp's 00 girls will end up trying out for BW's ECNL team in about 9-10 months. - LP ELITE 98's are argueably one of the best teams around and the team and parents seem to be very satisfied with the direction the team and club are moving in. The 00's also are argueably one of the best teams around as well...could the moajority possibly be happy with the direction the team and club are heading?

As for coaches doing what is right for the girls, the club, themselves, the parents...well, the important thing to remember is that select soccer is a business and when it comes down to it, the girls and the parents are ultimately, a commodity. For many coaches, the income from soccer puts food on the table, pays mortgages and can be a major part of the total household income. I would not knock any coach for making what they believe to be a good career move. People move from company to company all of the time for what they believe to be a better opportunity. on the flip side, since few of us sit in the meetings and discuss market share, customer expectaions, finances, the economy and how it affects the clubs...it is hard to knowck a clubs decision as well.

All that said, good luck BW and good luck to all of the girls, FC Dallas, Liverpool. I hope the move is good for everyone and improves the level of soccer and competition.

Great Post. A distinction to the above statement that would serve clubs and parents well to remember is that Girls/Parents are clients (pay to participate) instead of commodities (paid to participate), and should be treated as such. We pay an organization and their employees to train our daughters so they can judge her ability to compete on the soccer field.

Business and greedy employees have perverted girls soccer when a group of clients decide to change venders, but when a 12 yr gets cut the week of signing, it's "not personal"; its competion, its ntx soccer: she just wasnt good enough and its about what's best for the team. Competition. No disrespect to any other previous posts, but any moral indignation we have for these clubs, in a matter like this, is somewhat misplaced.

Someone told these parents that their DDs werent good enough to play ecnl ... obviously someone disagreed. IF Competition is good measure of our girls and their coaches, then it should be good measure for the clubs as well. I think these clubs have great people and intentions in them. None are are perfect, but competition will make them better.

I would still term the girls and parents as a commodity in many respects as they are a marketable item produced to satisfy wants and needs (of both parents and clubs) but I also agree that we are also clients. While I certainly feel my daughter's coach cares about her after nearly 9 years of interaction with her I also understand that if she or her parents do not fit into the grand scheme she will be let go. No matter, I agree that the moral indignation towards clubs and coaches is misplaced.

My apologies, maybe I "mis-wrote" above, but by "any moral...we have for these clubs"... Maybe I should have written "any indignation we have on BEHALF of these clubs... Is misplaced". Just want to be clear that I wasnt criticizing this coach or his parents for exercising their right to change "vendors" just as I wouldn't question a Club on its right to exchange its "commodities" as it needed to further its interests...