CFBAL GAMES 2/10

All games playing today at McInnish and Cox complexes!

Good luck today. http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?EventID=29743&Gender=Girls&Age=8
2/10/2013

Girls U8 Platinum 9v9
Game Time Home Team Away Team Location
#001 12:00 PM AZTECS FC LADY AZTECS FC STING 05 - SCARFONE Cox #4
#002 3:30 PM D'FEETERS YOUTH ACADEMY (BLACK) LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 05 GIRLS HYYPIA (PULPANECK) Cox #4


Girls U8 Platinum 8v8

Game Time Home Team Away Team Location
#028 12:00 PM LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA HEIGHWAY LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA LP RUSH 05 Cox #3
#027 1:10 PM COSMOS 05 BLACK DALLAS TEXANS MORENO Cox #3
#026 3:30 PM DALLAS KICKS SC 05 - DIAZ STING EAST 05G Cox #3



Girls U8 Gold
Game Time Home Team Away Team Location
#272 12:00 PM SOLAR CHELSEA BYARS FC DALLAS EAST '05 GIRLS - BARNES RED Cox #2
#274 1:10 PM STING EAST 05G (GRAY) LIVERPOOL REINA 05G Cox #1
#273 2:20 PM STING 05 NORTH GARRETT BLUE STING CENTRAL 05 (SANCHEZ) Cox #2
#271 3:30 PM NATIONALS FC 05G LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 05 GIRLS GERRARD Cox #2



Girls U8 Silver A
Game Time Home Team Away Team Location
#141 4:40 PM DALLAS KICKS SC 05 DAVILA STING EAST 05G (GRAY) WHITE Cox #2



Girls U8 Silver B
Game Time Home Team Away Team Location
#178 1:10 PM TIGERS FC 05 FC DALLAS EAST FC DALLAS '05 GIRLS - BARNES BLUE Cox #2
#177 2:20 PM FC DALLAS WEBB D'FEETERS YOUTH ACADEMY D'FEETERS 05 COLON WHITE Cox #3
#179 2:20 PM MUSTANGS FC MUSTANGS 05 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 05 GIRLS HUNT Cox #1

Liverpool Reina 7
Sting East 0

Solar Chelsea Byars 2
FCD EAST 3
GOOD GAME BY BOTH TEAMS SOLAR BYARS ONLY BEEN TOGETHER SINCE DEC.1ST VERY PROUD OF MY GIRLS, STILL HAVE ALOT OF WORK!!!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

SOLARCHELSEABYARS wrote:Solar Chelsea Byars 2
FCD EAST 3
GOOD GAME BY BOTH TEAMS SOLAR BYARS ONLY BEEN TOGETHER SINCE DEC.1ST VERY PROUD OF MY GIRLS, STILL HAVE ALOT OF WORK!!!! GOOD LUCK TO ALL!!

Great game to watch!!!!! Solar has a great group of girls!!! FCD East Red has only been together since November 1st. This was our 1st out door game together. We are very proud of all the girls. Way To Go FCD East Red!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the7wolf wrote:Liverpool Reina 7
Sting East 0

Who's the coach for Sting East?

Crest1998 wrote:

the7wolf wrote:Liverpool Reina 7
Sting East 0

Who's the coach for Sting East?

Stephen Gray according to the posted schedule: http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=29743&FieldID=0&applicationID=1722068&action=Go

L'Pool Rush 1
L'Pool Heighway 0

Very good game. Enjoyable to watch...

KSD wrote:

Crest1998 wrote:

the7wolf wrote:Liverpool Reina 7
Sting East 0

Who's the coach for Sting East?

Stephen Gray according to the posted schedule: http://events.gotsport.com/events/schedule.aspx?eventid=29743&FieldID=0&applicationID=1722068&action=Go

Caught bits and pieces of this game, Liverpool looked to be a very solid group.

There was lots of good soccer out there yesterday. We made a day of it and caught some great games, both at Cox and McInnish. The U9 games were all pretty exciting but the U8 group is just amazing. To have all of those teams playing in one spot is awesome. The only thing I didn't like was watching them play 9v9 on the huge field. I can't believe they are making 7 and 8 year olds play on the full field - although "making" them is probably not the way to couch it as there are obviously 2 platinum divisions by choice. I would love to see them all play on the 8v8 fields and just be a Super League and all play each other. I wonder if there is any re-thinking going on today.

TatonkaBurger wrote:There was lots of good soccer out there yesterday. We made a day of it and caught some great games, both at Cox and McInnish. The U9 games were all pretty exciting but the U8 group is just amazing. To have all of those teams playing in one spot is awesome. The only thing I didn't like was watching them play 9v9 on the huge field. I can't believe they are making 7 and 8 year olds play on the full field - although "making" them is probably not the way to couch it as there are obviously 2 platinum divisions by choice. I would love to see them all play on the 8v8 fields and just be a Super League and all play each other. I wonder if there is any re-thinking going on today.

I can't imagine 9v9 with 8 year olds on a full size soccer field looks anything like soccer. The team with the fastest player will win every time.

DDx3 wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:There was lots of good soccer out there yesterday. We made a day of it and caught some great games, both at Cox and McInnish. The U9 games were all pretty exciting but the U8 group is just amazing. To have all of those teams playing in one spot is awesome. The only thing I didn't like was watching them play 9v9 on the huge field. I can't believe they are making 7 and 8 year olds play on the full field - although "making" them is probably not the way to couch it as there are obviously 2 platinum divisions by choice. I would love to see them all play on the 8v8 fields and just be a Super League and all play each other. I wonder if there is any re-thinking going on today.

I can't imagine 9v9 with 8 year olds on a full size soccer field looks anything like soccer. The team with the fastest player will win every time.

9 v 9 is nothing more than a money $$$ grab by coaches to field larger teams $$$$. It ultimately comes down to more money $$$ in their pockets. It's mind boggling that a league director doesn't think of separating themselves by forming a u9 or u10 8 v 8 league. The rest of the world cannot be wrong. Do you think for a minute those HUGE fields are going to amount to more touches for the girls? I'd be very worried that by playing on a field that big could potentially cause injuries.

The more I'm around NTX soccer the more I'm rethinking my decision. At some point, parents as consumers are going to have to take back power from the clubs.

Case in point, one of my daughter's ex-coaches played on a European national team, he said that prior to U11, he practiced once a week with one of the most famous clubs in Europe. Do you think for a minute that AC Milan for example would throw a 8, 9, or 10 year old on a full sided field?



Golf anyone?
Swimming?

Wild.

Texasdude wrote:

DDx3 wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:There was lots of good soccer out there yesterday. We made a day of it and caught some great games, both at Cox and McInnish. The U9 games were all pretty exciting but the U8 group is just amazing. To have all of those teams playing in one spot is awesome. The only thing I didn't like was watching them play 9v9 on the huge field. I can't believe they are making 7 and 8 year olds play on the full field - although "making" them is probably not the way to couch it as there are obviously 2 platinum divisions by choice. I would love to see them all play on the 8v8 fields and just be a Super League and all play each other. I wonder if there is any re-thinking going on today.

I can't imagine 9v9 with 8 year olds on a full size soccer field looks anything like soccer. The team with the fastest player will win every time.

9 v 9 is nothing more than a money $$$ grab by coaches to field larger teams $$$$. It ultimately comes down to more money $$$ in their pockets. It's mind boggling that a league director doesn't think of separating themselves by forming a u9 or u10 8 v 8 league. The rest of the world cannot be wrong. Do you think for a minute those HUGE fields are going to amount to more touches for the girls? I'd be very worried that by playing on a field that big could potentially cause injuries.

The more I'm around NTX soccer the more I'm rethinking my decision. At some point, parents as consumers are going to have to take back power from the clubs.

Case in point, one of my daughter's ex-coaches played on a European national team, he said that prior to U11, he practiced once a week with one of the most famous clubs in Europe. Do you think for a minute that AC Milan for example would throw a 8, 9, or 10 year old on a full sided field?



Golf anyone?
Swimming?

Wild.

In 13 years of coaching in NTX, I have never met a coach in favor of 11v11 at U10 or U11. They all know it's a counter-productive, technique crushing and tactically void system of play for kids with kids playing on an adult sized field. Having coached 5 teams at Solar and now 4 at Liverpool, I can assure you no league has ever petitioned my support or any coach I know for their input on 11v11, 9v9, etc.

Where you get the impression that coaches somehow either want, devised or promote these situations is beyond me. I would rather stay 7v7 until U11, graduate to 9v9 until U14 then go to 11v11. I tend to keep about 9 players on my roster for 7v7 rather than carry 5 subs and for 9v9 will carry 11 or 12. If I have an injury or in availability I will borrow a kid from within my own club or play one of younger age group kids up.

I can assure you the coaches (not saying clubs but coaches) have next to little power in shaping leagues at any level and the extra minimal $ gain from carrying additional players is more of a pain in having too many kids to rotate than that extra pittance is worth.

the7wolf wrote:

Texasdude wrote:

DDx3 wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:There was lots of good soccer out there yesterday. We made a day of it and caught some great games, both at Cox and McInnish. The U9 games were all pretty exciting but the U8 group is just amazing. To have all of those teams playing in one spot is awesome. The only thing I didn't like was watching them play 9v9 on the huge field. I can't believe they are making 7 and 8 year olds play on the full field - although "making" them is probably not the way to couch it as there are obviously 2 platinum divisions by choice. I would love to see them all play on the 8v8 fields and just be a Super League and all play each other. I wonder if there is any re-thinking going on today.

I can't imagine 9v9 with 8 year olds on a full size soccer field looks anything like soccer. The team with the fastest player will win every time.

9 v 9 is nothing more than a money $$$ grab by coaches to field larger teams $$$$. It ultimately comes down to more money $$$ in their pockets. It's mind boggling that a league director doesn't think of separating themselves by forming a u9 or u10 8 v 8 league. The rest of the world cannot be wrong. Do you think for a minute those HUGE fields are going to amount to more touches for the girls? I'd be very worried that by playing on a field that big could potentially cause injuries.

The more I'm around NTX soccer the more I'm rethinking my decision. At some point, parents as consumers are going to have to take back power from the clubs.

Case in point, one of my daughter's ex-coaches played on a European national team, he said that prior to U11, he practiced once a week with one of the most famous clubs in Europe. Do you think for a minute that AC Milan for example would throw a 8, 9, or 10 year old on a full sided field?



Golf anyone?
Swimming?

Wild.

In 13 years of coaching in NTX, I have never met a coach in favor of 11v11 at U10 or U11. They all know it's a counter-productive, technique crushing and tactically void system of play for kids with kids playing on an adult sized field. Having coached 5 teams at Solar and now 4 at Liverpool, I can assure you no league has ever petitioned my support or any coach I know for their input on 11v11, 9v9, etc.

Where you get the impression that coaches somehow either want, devised or promote these situations is beyond me. I would rather stay 7v7 until U11, graduate to 9v9 until U14 then go to 11v11. I tend to keep about 9 players on my roster for 7v7 rather than carry 5 subs and for 9v9 will carry 11 or 12. If I have an injury or in availability I will borrow a kid from within my own club or play one of younger age group kids up.

I can assure you the coaches (not saying clubs but coaches) have next to little power in shaping leagues at any level and the extra minimal $ gain from carrying additional players is more of a pain in having too many kids to rotate than that extra pittance is worth.

Great to hear, but I know for a fact that most leagues are just listening to what the coaches are demanding. Basically, head coach Joe Schmoe tells the league director that they won't commit to their league unless they can play 9 v 9 at u8. Do you think for a moment that a league director's first priority isn't actually having enough teams to form a league? In other words, promise the coaches all they want so you can make money and keep your customers/coaches happy.

Again, I'm so glad there are coaches like yourself that see the big picture. Having played sports at a very high level, I can tell you that I didn't actually start taking sports seriously until I entered middle school. Granted back then we didn't have select baseball, basketball, soccer (soccer was something we made fun of kids for playing back then), and football.


You are spot on in terms of 7 v 7 until U11.

Nice!!!

Part of the issue is that select leagues are 11v11. If you wait until the first year of select to try it, you will not do well.

Coaches prefer to get their teams learning the full sided system, granted the vast majority of kids are not ready from a mental, skill, or athletic ability, at least a year before having to actually do it.

I think waiting until U14 as is making blanket statements such as "all kids are not ready for 9v9 until age X". In everything, people advance at different rates and just as it is not productive to promote kids too early to bigger fields, it is counterproductive to hold kids back who are ready.

Shelby427 wrote:Part of the issue is that select leagues are 11v11. If you wait until the first year of select to try it, you will not do well.

Coaches prefer to get their teams learning the full sided system, granted the vast majority of kids are not ready from a mental, skill, or athletic ability, at least a year before having to actually do it.

I think waiting until U14 as is making blanket statements such as "all kids are not ready for 9v9 until age X". In everything, people advance at different rates and just as it is not productive to promote kids too early to bigger fields, it is counterproductive to hold kids back who are ready.

That right there is probably the key. It is NTX, against how 95% of the country operates, who decides that select at U11 has to be 11v11.

Your second point can be addressed by playing those kids up an age group if they are mentally and physically capable of handling the challenge.

Shelby427 wrote:Part of the issue is that select leagues are 11v11. If you wait until the first year of select to try it, you will not do well.

Great point. They don't play 11s in South Texas...As U12s we had to play up in their tournaments in order to play 11s. We were much better than them at 11s since we had the experience using the width and depth, but now that the field is equal it is coming down to skills...

same as wolf...

If you have a coach pushing 11 v 11 or 9 v 9 for a u8, u9, hell a u 10 kid then that coach is about developing teams and NOT players.

I'd run, and I would run fast. At some point, parents need to take back control of select/academy soccer.

If you don't agree with my statement that is fine, but then again, it's part of the reason that American soccer is just that, American soccer.

Wild.

Texasdude wrote:If you have a coach pushing 11 v 11 or 9 v 9 for a u8, u9, hell a u 10 kid then that coach is about developing teams and NOT players.

I'd run, and I would run fast. At some point, parents need to take back control of select/academy soccer.

If you don't agree with my statement that is fine, but then again, it's part of the reason that American soccer is just that, American soccer.

Wild.

I would be careful at who you point fingers at. I know many coaches have told me that they would rather play smaller numbers but parents have told them they would leave unless they play 11v11. So that puts the coach in a no win situation, damned if you do, damned if you dont.
It might help with the team dynamics (as a poster pointed out)and it helps the athletic players and teams but then we moan the US never produce flare players, thats because when they are young they are never challenged to go around players in tight areas! No development at all playing 11v11 at U9, U10 or even U11 but we continue to do it here in North Texas. EVERYONE is to blame from the leagues, to the coaches and the parents!

I would say the blame is on the parents and coaches. So what if the league is available don’t sign up and they will do away with it. Coaches are allowing too many on their roster and parents want their kids to get the most playing time, so they assume bigger fields and more players equals more playing time for all. Kick it hard and chase it and the kid with the fastest 50 yard dash will win the ball every time...kickball??
They should look forward to the challenge of dribbling around a player, use a move learned at skills - cut, scissors, something innovative not a track race to the goal. Yes every team will send a through ball and the speedy forward may score, but should not be the focus of your attack. Lets see the development from the back. Two or three long ball attacks and your opponent will bring their line forward to catch you offside or pull back some and force you to dribble and the defender will be a lot more confident in this match up.

Triumph FC wrote:

Texasdude wrote:If you have a coach pushing 11 v 11 or 9 v 9 for a u8, u9, hell a u 10 kid then that coach is about developing teams and NOT players.

I'd run, and I would run fast. At some point, parents need to take back control of select/academy soccer.

If you don't agree with my statement that is fine, but then again, it's part of the reason that American soccer is just that, American soccer.

Wild.

I would be careful at who you point fingers at. I know many coaches have told me that they would rather play smaller numbers but parents have told them they would leave unless they play 11v11. So that puts the coach in a no win situation, damned if you do, damned if you dont.
It might help with the team dynamics (as a poster pointed out)and it helps the athletic players and teams but then we moan the US never produce flare players, thats because when they are young they are never challenged to go around players in tight areas! No development at all playing 11v11 at U9, U10 or even U11 but we continue to do it here in North Texas. EVERYONE is to blame from the leagues, to the coaches and the parents!

I totally agree. I'm sure it really is a little of both. However, from my dealings with several league directors/tournament directors, the information I received is that it's the coaches who were the force behind 9 v 9 at u8.

OUCH!!!

I'm glad there are a few coaches that "get it."

If I were to count the number of futsal games ,3v3 tournaments and 8v8 games she has played and is still playing a lot of futsal in her developement it would amount to double the amount of small sided games to 11v11. I think a lot of developing players do play a lot of small sided games and tons of futsal.

totalsoccer wrote:If I were to count the number of futsal games ,3v3 tournaments and 8v8 games she has played and is still playing a lot of futsal in her developement it would amount to double the amount of small sided games to 11v11. I think a lot of developing players do play a lot of small sided games and tons of futsal.

This is a good point. If you are getting the small sided work in practice or other leagues, 11v11 and 9v9 can be ok/good earlier, again for those who are ready.

Shelby427 wrote:

totalsoccer wrote:If I were to count the number of futsal games ,3v3 tournaments and 8v8 games she has played and is still playing a lot of futsal in her developement it would amount to double the amount of small sided games to 11v11. I think a lot of developing players do play a lot of small sided games and tons of futsal.

This is a good point. If you are getting the small sided work in practice or other leagues, 11v11 and 9v9 can be ok/good earlier, again for those who are ready.

Good for whom? I can think of a number of developmental advantages of small-sided ball, and even of playing 7v7 and 8v8, but what exactly are the developmental advantages to and for "the player" of playing 11v11 at a young age? What does "those who are ready" mean, exactly?

ZenFutbol wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

totalsoccer wrote:If I were to count the number of futsal games ,3v3 tournaments and 8v8 games she has played and is still playing a lot of futsal in her developement it would amount to double the amount of small sided games to 11v11. I think a lot of developing players do play a lot of small sided games and tons of futsal.

This is a good point. If you are getting the small sided work in practice or other leagues, 11v11 and 9v9 can be ok/good earlier, again for those who are ready.

Good for whom? I can think of a number of developmental advantages of small-sided ball, and even of playing 7v7 and 8v8, but what exactly are the developmental advantages to and for "the player" of playing 11v11 at a young age? What does "those who are ready" mean, exactly?

This is actually 9v9 played by U8 girls on a field sized for 11v11 (i.e. full field). I would guess that there are a couple of players on a couple of teams "who are ready" for this type of play at that age.