'04 Girls FBR Rankings - 05-13-13

^ one of the two best players didn't decline one player to go.

"two best players" weren't on the team together. I think the first one your talking about left about 2 years ago and she is still with rase last time i saw her, and she looks to be doing well.

ANYONE can recruit athletes. It takes a true coach to bring in players and develop them into a top team! Just sayin.

Pinkie wrote:ANYONE can recruit athletes. It takes a true coach to bring in players and develop them into a top team! Just sayin.

Perhaps, but no coach can develop non-athletes into athletes. A certain level of athleticism is necessary to become a top player. The myth that it can work otherwise is the reason so many people can make their living in short pants in NTX.

007shaken wrote:

Pinkie wrote:ANYONE can recruit athletes. It takes a true coach to bring in players and develop them into a top team! Just sayin.

Perhaps, but no coach can develop non-athletes into athletes. A certain level of athleticism is necessary to become a top player. The myth that it can work otherwise is the reason so many people can make their living in short pants in NTX.

you mean athletes are born with six packs out of the womb? fascinating.

American male players are extremely athletic. Fit, fast, strong - you name it. Why doesn't this translate to the world stage?

Also, ask "fat" Frank Lampard about his childhood and tell him he couldn't play at a top level on a top team due to his lack of athleticism..

But even Fatty Frank had the tools. The idea that if I could just get the right coach they will turn my dd into a top player is a lie. You can develop the talent into its greatest potential or ruin it but coaches do not create it. That is just the lie people here tell so they can get parents to spend the money for coaching and then skills and strength and agility and finishing etc. Personally I think it hilarious that a brazillian kid gets a ball and play and we spends thousands of dollars and hours with "professionals" and he still comes out best. So no coach does it because you can't. You can't take a group of mediocre players and turn them into a top team. You can improve them but thats about it.

No but you can "send it" and play long ball!

go99 wrote:But even Fatty Frank had the tools. The idea that if I could just get the right coach they will turn my dd into a top player is a lie. You can develop the talent into its greatest potential or ruin it but coaches do not create it. That is just the lie people here tell so they can get parents to spend the money for coaching and then skills and strength and agility and finishing etc. Personally I think it hilarious that a brazillian kid gets a ball and play and we spends thousands of dollars and hours with "professionals" and he still comes out best. So no coach does it because you can't. You can't take a group of mediocre players and turn them into a top team. You can improve them but thats about it.

I agree.
The coach needs to find the good in each player and effectively paint a picture for them to better understand the game. They can show the technique over and over, explain it in different ways and go above and beyond. The rest is up to the player. Some girls have an "a-ha!" moment, and some never do.

007shaken wrote:

Pinkie wrote:ANYONE can recruit athletes. It takes a true coach to bring in players and develop them into a top team! Just sayin.

Perhaps, but no coach can develop non-athletes into athletes. A certain level of athleticism is necessary to become a top player. The myth that it can work otherwise is the reason so many people can make their living in short pants in NTX.

Agree 100%. Not every kid is an athlete just because they participate in an athletic activity just as dressing my cat in an astronaut suit isn't going to get him a job at NASA.

Sorry, every kid does not have potential. Just like in every fat person there isn't necessarily a thin one struggling to get out.

If every player with the same access to the same opportunities in coaching had an equal chance of development, they'd be 500,000 Messi's, not 1 of them.

The formula for success in anything relative to sports, including Soccer:

Talent + Athleticism + Skill Development + Motivation/Focus + Hard Work = Results (on a sliding scale)

There are ample examples of top players (think Pete Rose) who weren't the most talented but were highly motivated to develop what talent they have. If you take each category above and rank it between 1 - 10, with 10 as highest, you can equate where someone might fall.

Michael Jordan = 10 in all 3 areas, in my opinion
Pac-Man Jones = 10 in Talent / Athleticism, 3 on motivation/focus
and so on . . .

I think the key for all parents is to be honest with ourselves as to where our daughters fall. Just because she might not be top for talent and athleticism, doesn't mean she can't become a special player, especially if she is high in the other areas. My belief is that a good coach will be honest with parents about potential - they can help develop skills and actually impact motivation as well (think Hoosiers or Coach Carter).

The key is that a kid isn't athletic or not, it is where they fall on the scale between 1 - 10. This holds true for the other categories as well. As a parent, the best thing we can do in help our kids find what they are passionate about (not what we are - think Dead Poet's Society and the father who wanted his son to be a Doctor) and then help them become the best they can be.

a good coach will be honest but most won't. There is a green carrot that dangles in front of them. $2k plus in select. Skills fees, futsal, oh my favorite the magic carpet, summer camps. Now they could tell you you dd has fun but she doesn't have that kind of talent but then they might cost themselves all that sweet cash. Beside how many parents really want to hear you little princess just isn't that good

go99 wrote:a good coach will be honest but most won't. There is a green carrot that dangles in front of them. $2k plus in select. Skills fees, futsal, oh my favorite the magic carpet, summer camps. Now they could tell you you dd has fun but she doesn't have that kind of talent but then they might cost themselves all that sweet cash. Beside how many parents really want to hear you little princess just isn't that good

Good points - I guess I am constantly amazed how many parents are blind to the obvious. The fact that it would take a coach to help them see that little 'Suzy' isn't as good as 'Sally' still amazes me. I guess denial can manifest itself for parents, like it does for the individual.

Peak_Performance_Dad wrote:

go99 wrote:a good coach will be honest but most won't. There is a green carrot that dangles in front of them. $2k plus in select. Skills fees, futsal, oh my favorite the magic carpet, summer camps. Now they could tell you you dd has fun but she doesn't have that kind of talent but then they might cost themselves all that sweet cash. Beside how many parents really want to hear you little princess just isn't that good

Good points - I guess I am constantly amazed how many parents are blind to the obvious. The fact that it would take a coach to help them see that little 'Suzy' isn't as good as 'Sally' still amazes me. I guess denial can manifest itself for parents, like it does for the individual.

Parents are always biased, that's why we rely somewhat on the coaches input to put us straight... In my case, I never played soccer so I can't tell you what the potential of my little DD is but I can say she is motivated. If she doesn't have the tools to be a good player at some point in her growth and development, I'd like to know sooner than later. The other issue I have is coaches that decide what your DD is best suited for and your DD may have other ideas. It's a fine line between good coaching, good parenting and common sense I believe.

go99 wrote:a good coach will be honest but most won't. There is a green carrot that dangles in front of them. $2k plus in select. Skills fees, futsal, oh my favorite the magic carpet, summer camps. Now they could tell you you dd has fun but she doesn't have that kind of talent but then they might cost themselves all that sweet cash. Beside how many parents really want to hear you little princess just isn't that good

I hate agreeing with you go But you are 100% correct here. I would want to know ASAP if my dd was not good enough....I could stop wasting the $ and/or go play another sport

However, I think parents like us you do not have to tell….we already know. It is the delusional parents that you have to tell and I have found that their delusion continues even when a good coach tells them the truth about their dd. They just add conspiracy to their delusion- thinking the coach/team is out to get the gifted dd. Then they just take their show down the road and throw their green to the next coach willing to take it.

Cmon_Man wrote:

go99 wrote:a good coach will be honest but most won't. There is a green carrot that dangles in front of them. $2k plus in select. Skills fees, futsal, oh my favorite the magic carpet, summer camps. Now they could tell you you dd has fun but she doesn't have that kind of talent but then they might cost themselves all that sweet cash. Beside how many parents really want to hear you little princess just isn't that good

I hate agreeing with you go But you are 100% correct here. I would want to know ASAP if my dd was not good enough....I could stop wasting the $ and/or go play another sport

However, I think parents like us you do not have to tell….we already know. It is the delusional parents that you have to tell and I have found that their delusion continues even when a good coach tells them the truth about their dd. They just add conspiracy to their delusion- thinking the coach/team is out to get the gifted dd. Then they just take their show down the road and throw their green to the next coach willing to take it.

No offense here, but why would you stop wasting your money and go play another sport? Are you putting your daughter in soccer and spending money with the hopes you will get some kind of finanical gain out of it or if she will be on the US NAtional team, then you are setting yourself up for disapointment. I can tell you right now, she has a greater chance of winning the lottery than being on the US National team and I hope that is not why any parent is paying the fees for their kid.

I know my kid will not go far in soccer but I enjoy spending the money because she likes it, we like to watch the games and it fun for the family.

I don't think spending money to play soccer is a waste. I do think all of the skills etc is a waste of money.

Just have to accept there is different level of parents... Oh, did I say parents, I meant players.

1.) Talented and Gifted
2.) Competitive
3.) Recreational

Cmon_Man wrote:

go99 wrote:a good coach will be honest but most won't. There is a green carrot that dangles in front of them. $2k plus in select. Skills fees, futsal, oh my favorite the magic carpet, summer camps. Now they could tell you you dd has fun but she doesn't have that kind of talent but then they might cost themselves all that sweet cash. Beside how many parents really want to hear you little princess just isn't that good

I hate agreeing with you go But you are 100% correct here. I would want to know ASAP if my dd was not good enough....I could stop wasting the $ and/or go play another sport

However, I think parents like us you do not have to tell….we already know. It is the delusional parents that you have to tell and I have found that their delusion continues even when a good coach tells them the truth about their dd. They just add conspiracy to their delusion- thinking the coach/team is out to get the gifted dd. Then they just take their show down the road and throw their green to the next coach willing to take it.

Or you have the exact opposite problem where a coach feeds into the parents delusion just for the almighty $$$. Or, even worse, the parents don't know how good or bad they have it with their current coach and don't go looking to see just how far ahead or behind their DD really is only to find out their DD isn't nearly as good as the coach had told them. We as parents have to take the initiative to be absolutely sure our DD is not only getting the very best coaching they can get for their personality but that we're keeping ourselves educated on the coaches of other clubs. The FBR is an OK place to start but that doesn't mean the best coach (i.e. LW) will be the best coach for your DD. We just have find the coach that will not only be honest with us but also will attempt to get the very best from our DD in practice and during games. They SHOULD be able to tell us if our DD is "un-coachable" instead of telling us our gem is such a prodigy just for that almighty green stuff.

go99 wrote:I don't think spending money to play soccer is a waste. I do think all of the skills etc is a waste of money.

But isn't that what we end up paying for in the end? All the OTHER stuff... the abundance of the money that leaves my pocket is specifically FOR skills - i.e. coaches, fields to train on, equipment to train with, etc. I think the cheapest part of my kiddo playing soccer is the game or tournament registration.

RunsLikeWind wrote:

Cmon_Man wrote:

go99 wrote:a good coach will be honest but most won't. There is a green carrot that dangles in front of them. $2k plus in select. Skills fees, futsal, oh my favorite the magic carpet, summer camps. Now they could tell you you dd has fun but she doesn't have that kind of talent but then they might cost themselves all that sweet cash. Beside how many parents really want to hear you little princess just isn't that good

I hate agreeing with you go But you are 100% correct here. I would want to know ASAP if my dd was not good enough....I could stop wasting the $ and/or go play another sport

However, I think parents like us you do not have to tell….we already know. It is the delusional parents that you have to tell and I have found that their delusion continues even when a good coach tells them the truth about their dd. They just add conspiracy to their delusion- thinking the coach/team is out to get the gifted dd. Then they just take their show down the road and throw their green to the next coach willing to take it.

No offense here, but why would you stop wasting your money and go play another sport? Are you putting your daughter in soccer and spending money with the hopes you will get some kind of finanical gain out of it or if she will be on the US NAtional team, then you are setting yourself up for disapointment. I can tell you right now, she has a greater chance of winning the lottery than being on the US National team and I hope that is not why any parent is paying the fees for their kid.

I know my kid will not go far in soccer but I enjoy spending the money because she likes it, we like to watch the games and it fun for the family.

Nope you missed it- the way I read go's post was that the dd was not good enough to play academy/select soccer. If that is true I would not waste my money putting my kid at a level she could not play in or would not be successful. If she loved the game I would put her in rec. I do not find the rec. word to be offensive and you can find some pretty good coaches there. Or if she wanted to try another sport at a high competitive level I would throw my $ that way.

I have not delusions that I will get any financial gain- scholarships or otherwise. The way I see it from a financial perspective very few will ever get out of it what they put into it (even with scholarships). From a non-financial perspective my family has already received far more out of the experiences than we have every paid in. But just because I do not have these delusions does not mean that I believe in wasting money either. I personally would not pay $3K a year to have my dd playing PPL D2 or riding the bench almost the whole game in stronger leagues. If she still loved soccer I would find other cost effective alternatives (which might be independents in PPL D2). Others may feel different, but that’s how I see it. And I might see it that way, because rec. to me is not a 4 letter word.

PDub wrote:

To the tx Spirit girls parents and the DTS C Ronaldo we are having a open practice at blue sky so come check it out and see the difference and lets get you fitted for a brand new rase jersey.

LMAO!! You buck wild!!

Got a little fan club going..I like it..

go99 wrote:

KnKsDad wrote:

go99 wrote:

KnKsDad wrote:

go99 wrote:Actually I have the BEST ranking system. It is contained on the Watson super computer running in the basement at Blue Sky. I just can't disclose it to you. It's how we figure out when and where to shift the Dalglish Sweeper and assorted RASE girls for maximum effectivness

..and to figure out which key players to pluck off of other teams..lol As evidenced at Kick It, a couple of nice new additions.

Wouldn't know about kick it 3v3. But I only know a handful of players in the 04's that we could actually use on our team and haven't seen them out yet.

I guess that means your DD wasn't there at kick it, or perhaps you weren't. But that is beside the point. Interesting response you give about there only being a handful of 04's that you could actually use. That must be just your personal opinion. Your coach must feel differently or what's the point of the recruiting efforts? I ask that question with the recognition that some of it is probably not recruiting, but just wishful parents hoping to get a favorable look.

Nope we weren't. And yes as always, that was my personal opinion based on how you see girls come in. I know many feel that "my dd could play there and just chooses not too" The reality is most can't and are in the way. Again thats my opinion based on observation. As far as the coach and recruting goes, he is DOC and his job is to bring as many kids into the club as possible. So he has a bigger job than just our team. But it would seem that he wouldn't have to do much recruiting we have more than enough finding their way. So if he is ponding the pavement recruiting then he is not doing it right. To the tx Spirit girls parents and the DTS C Ronaldo we are having a open practice at blue sky so come check it out and see the difference and lets get you fitted for a brand new rase jersey.

Maybe not pounding the pavement..maybe just a little phone call here and there.. As far as getting fitted, unfortunately (or fortunately) mine is not in that handful that you could use.

Those who can't play coach. Those who can't coach recruit. Look at the top LP teams.... Great talent! Coaching?

The myth of the uninformed.

Lobo_Momma wrote:The myth of the uninformed.

What do uniforms have to do with coaching? LP does have a nice kit but does that translate to Ws on the pitch? Though it probably does help with recruiting.

oh I think she was pointing out the coaching myth. Those who cant get talents and wins complain about recruiting. Oh we don't recruit and we are developing our own talent. So lets flip it around the teams that don't bring in players are closed of enviornments that are unfriendly to outsiders and don't take in new players. Or your play and coaching isn't good enough to attract any talent.