Roster Size

LHGCL website says max roster size for U-12 is 16.
What happens if a coach has signed 18 and is taking the team to QT? Do only 16 play? If team makes it does the coach cut 2 players?

At QT, the max size the submitted roster can be is 16, so two girls of the 18 would not be allowed to play in QT - and if the team makes LH, 2 of the girls would not be able to be rostered.

PPL allows 18, so the 2 girls who don't play in QT should be either looking for a new team or hoping the team doesn't qualifying.

Isn't the roster size generally max. at 16 in U12? Coach can't 'roster' 18 payers at any point in that year?

PPL can have 18 at u12, so if the team doesn't qualify - they can roster and use 18. Some PPL teams enter qualifying as a measuring stick knowing that qualifying is unrealistic & maybe the roster size wasn't considered an issue as they plan to play in PPL.

18 in U12? Way too many. Someone's DD's are going to be #17 and #18 and unhappy

Plus I can't see ANY LH team releasing #17 and #18. probably have to go to another team within their club and keep the bench warm.

Maybe not, in PPL if you have lots of multi-sport or kids who lack comittment, 16 may not be enough. There are plenty of teams in the lower select ranks that struggle with attendance.

Blank77 wrote:Maybe not, in PPL if you have lots of multi-sport or kids who lack comittment, 16 may not be enough.  There are plenty of teams in the lower select ranks that struggle with attendance.

I can see that from a coach perspective, but from a parent/player perspective 18 is too many. In most cases you are going to end up with some kids not getting much playing time. Generally a bad idea.

Blank77 wrote:At QT, the max size the submitted roster can be is 16, so two girls of the 18 would not be allowed to play in QT - and if the team makes LH, 2 of the girls would not be able to be rostered.

PPL allows 18, so the 2 girls who don't play in QT should be either looking for a new team or hoping the team doesn't qualifying.

Players 17 and 18 should never have signed in the first place. Not going to play any meaningful time, which means no development and the gap between them and the starters grows with every missed opportunity. The problem is knowing that your DD is one of these.

Some clubs require that teams max rosters in order to be eligible to provide a scholarship.

Same sin occurs in U19 when team signs 22 players knowing that showcase tournaments limit rosters also. Sure the club will take your money and expect you to pay travel expenses and then tell you "oh by the way, DD can't play this game".

Parents should stay away from any team that signs more than 5 field player subs at the younger ages and 6 at the older ages, unless of course, your DD clearly will start and play most of every game.

upper95 wrote:

Blank77 wrote:At QT, the max size the submitted roster can be is 16, so two girls of the 18 would not be allowed to play in QT - and if the team makes LH, 2 of the girls would not be able to be rostered.

PPL allows 18, so the 2 girls who don't play in QT should be either looking for a new team or hoping the team doesn't qualifying.

Players 17 and 18 should never have signed in the first place.  Not going to play any meaningful time, which means no development and the gap between them and the starters grows with every missed opportunity.   The problem is knowing that your DD is one of these.

Some clubs require that teams max rosters in order to be eligible to provide a scholarship.  

Same sin occurs in U19 when team signs 22 players knowing that showcase tournaments limit rosters also.  Sure the club will take your money and expect you to pay travel expenses and then tell you "oh by the way, DD can't play this game".

Parents should stay away from any team that signs more than 5 field player subs at the younger ages and 6 at the older ages, unless of course, your DD clearly will start and play most of every game.

Exactly. It gets tough because coaches aren't always straight up with you and won't tell you your kids is at the end of the roster until after you have signed and your kid doesn't play (much).

In this scenario, why can't #s 17 and 18 just request a competitive release and go join another team? This way they can get more playing time elsewhere. Can be done right? Unless of course player/parent really want to pay to be part of the team, coach or club.

Ok, we are all just speculating unless someone actually familiar with the situation contributes. Pretty much all agree that 18 players at u12 is excessive and not allowed at QT or LH, just PPL & who knows why that league does anything. PYSA is ran by the most ignorant self important people I have met in the entire soccer world.

kickballrules wrote:In this scenario, why can't #s 17 and 18 just request a competitive release and go join another team? This way they can get more playing time elsewhere. Can be done right? Unless of course player/parent really want to pay to be part of the team, coach or club.

A release only allows the player to move to another team. It doesn't void the contract $$ so the club may hassle the parents into paying even if they are released. Plus it doesn't deal with the hassle of looking for another team, particularly midseason.

All in all it would be best if coaches were upfront to everyone instead of lying money grabbers. I know some that are, they will tell you exactly where your kids stands and it is the truth. Too many others lie or evade the question. I've seen coaches swear up and down they are going to sign only 18 (older ages) and on signing day there are 22 signed. "Too much talent, I couldn't turn away". Yeah, right you mean too much $$$ coach...

I used to laugh and say "all coaches lie". But now I don't laugh...even the ones you truly believe don't, do. Sad to say but I am a firm believer of that little quip.

mommabear1 wrote:I used to laugh and say "all coaches lie".  But now I don't laugh...even the ones you truly believe don't, do.  Sad to say but I am a firm believer of that little quip.  

It isn't so much that they lie, as the are going to do what they want...even if it goes against things they have told you in the past, and they don't really care as their goal is not your happuness.

Blank77 wrote:

mommabear1 wrote:I used to laugh and say "all coaches lie".  But now I don't laugh...even the ones you truly believe don't, do.  Sad to say but I am a firm believer of that little quip.  

It isn't so much that they lie, as the are going to do what they want...even if it goes against things they have told you in the past, and they don't really care as their goal is not your happuness.

No, that is not correct. There are coaches that flat out lie to your face. "I am only going to sign "x" players not "y" like the rules permit, "y" is too many".
or
in response to where "susy" stands on the roster, "Susy is a hard worker, she definitely has a spot on the team and will play". Reality Susy is #18 and never gets off the bench.

Real examples of what I have heard coaches tell parents.

Ed wrote:

upper95 wrote:

Blank77 wrote:At QT, the max size the submitted roster can be is 16, so two girls of the 18 would not be allowed to play in QT - and if the team makes LH, 2 of the girls would not be able to be rostered.

PPL allows 18, so the 2 girls who don't play in QT should be either looking for a new team or hoping the team doesn't qualifying.

Players 17 and 18 should never have signed in the first place.  Not going to play any meaningful time, which means no development and the gap between them and the starters grows with every missed opportunity.   The problem is knowing that your DD is one of these.

Some clubs require that teams max rosters in order to be eligible to provide a scholarship.  

Same sin occurs in U19 when team signs 22 players knowing that showcase tournaments limit rosters also.  Sure the club will take your money and expect you to pay travel expenses and then tell you "oh by the way, DD can't play this game".

Parents should stay away from any team that signs more than 5 field player subs at the younger ages and 6 at the older ages, unless of course, your DD clearly will start and play most of every game.

Exactly. It gets tough because coaches aren't always straight up with you and won't tell you your kids is at the end of the roster until after you have signed and your kid doesn't play (much).

And unfortunately, some parents aren't always up front on what they have decided. Only on Signing day, when the ink dries is it clear who is or is not on a roster.

I know my scenario doesn't apply to the majority on here but having a 16 player max roster in LHGCL makes it tough on out of town teams. We are from Lubbock and it doesn't make sense this season to attend QT when trying to travel with 16. We have made the decision as a team to wait until next season to attend QT so that we can bring a full 18 roster.

I understand the reasoning for 16 at the younger age for the local teams but I would like to see provision to allow out of town teams an 18 roster.

SWGSB 52 wrote:I know my scenario doesn't apply to the majority on here but having a 16 player max roster in LHGCL makes it tough on out of town teams. We are from Lubbock and it doesn't make sense this season to attend QT when trying to travel with 16. We have made the decision as a team to wait until next season to attend QT so that we can bring a full 18 roster.

I understand the reasoning for 16 at the younger age for the local teams but I would like to see provision to allow out of town teams an 18 roster.

What does where you live have to do with roster size? Not following your rational for wanting an exception.

I think it is all about calling BS when you first see it. If you look at practices and look at how your kid is in practice and then look at how they play you can tell if your kid is going to be just a number on the rooster or really gonna get some playing time and be a factor on the team. if your child is a non factor on the any  team it does way more harm then good..IMO..

02Dad wrote:

SWGSB 52 wrote:I know my scenario doesn't apply to the majority on here but having a 16 player max roster in LHGCL makes it tough on out of town teams. We are from Lubbock and it doesn't make sense this season to attend QT when trying to travel with 16. We have made the decision as a team to wait until next season to attend QT so that we can bring a full 18 roster.

I understand the reasoning for 16 at the younger age for the local teams but I would like to see provision to allow out of town teams an 18 roster.

What does where you live have to do with roster size? Not following your rational for wanting an exception.

When you travel, all the little headaches on game day (car issues, grandma's birthday party this afternoon, cousin's wedding, etc.) become larger issues to deal with. Most traveling teams from our area, don't anticipate getting every player on the roster to each game. So a 17 or 18 player roster, will end up as 15 or 16 players available at the game. Then add an injury or a sick kid or two and it becomes a real issue.

#9156 wrote:LHGCL website says max roster size for U-12 is 16.
What happens if a coach has signed 18 and is taking the team to QT? Do only 16 play? If team makes it does the coach cut 2 players?

If anyone actually cares, the reason Plano allows 18 on the roster is because North Texas allows 18.  The 16 player limit is a Classic League rule (which the boys side removed around 2 years ago).

So you can actually have rec teams and Plano/Arlington teams with 18 while Classic League teams are limited to 16.

For the record, I like the rule and was very disappointed in the Boys Side when they rescinded it.