Round 2 Predictions for 02's

Congratulations to all the teams that played this weekend! The games looked close and everyone had a chance going into today. Good luck to the four teams moving on but to those that didn't make, hold your heads high because you are all deserving, in my opinion.

Zeko2 wrote:Congratulations to all the teams that played this weekend!  The games looked close and everyone had a chance going into today.  Good luck to the four teams moving on but to those that didn't make, hold your heads high because you are all deserving, in my opinion.

  Absolutely agree.

Great Work LP Owen!!!


Good luck going forward!

Great soccer weekend, congratulations FWFC, LP Owen, Dallas Rush and LP Dalglish!

Zeko2 wrote:Congratulations to all the teams that played this weekend!  The games looked close and everyone had a chance going into today.  Good luck to the four teams moving on but to those that didn't make, hold your heads high because you are all deserving, in my opinion.

I agree 100%. I only watched games in the Y bracket and I think all 4 of them are LH team in my opinion. I know Keegan is LH material from watching last weekend. I wish all the teams a great season where ever they end up.

LD9 wrote:Great Work LP Owen!!!


Good luck going forward!

   

Of the teams in D3 last year LP Dalglish was the only one to re-qualify?

Nero will be a good add to the Classic league.

Congrats to all!

Always a tough QT after the first year. The talent level from LH D3 to the top handful in PPL D1 is always very close in most age groups (although the LH teams would like to think otherwise). It doesn't surprise me that most of the previous D3 teams didn't make it back in, they usually lose some players when they have to requalify and the top PPL teams will sometimes attract good players wishing to join a team 'on the rise'.

Congrats to all the teams that made it in. For those that didn't: don't sweat it too much, my older DD's team was there for several years before making it up the ranks of LH, and the grass really is greener over at Russell Creek (one of the nicest facilities in NTx).

Adi-dazzler wrote:Of the teams in D3 last year LP Dalglish was the only one to re-qualify?

Nero will be a good add to the Classic league.

Congrats to all!

They are actually the first team from the bottom 4 of the U11 D3 standings to re-qualify for D3 at U12 in the past 3 years. 1 for 12 in the '00's, '01's, and, '02's...

Congratulations to FWFC 02 White for qualifying on their second go around. Congratulations to all teams that participated it was hard fought and well played especially in the scorching heat !!.

Congrats to the four teams that made it, and feel bad for both FCD Black and Liverpool Keegan for not making.

Keegan gave up 2 goals (in one game) in the 2 weeks of qualifying. In addition they beat Rush Stark in week 1, and didn't qualify. That is a tough outcome.

FCD Black beat FWFC in week 1 and played well for most of week 2. What makes this especially difficult is that if you would look at Lake Highlands league scoring(3 points for win, 1 for tie) FCD Black would have advanced and not LP Daglish, by virtue of their win on Saturday night.

This isn't a knock on LP Daglish(if they knew they needed a win on Sunday they might have played more aggressively) or of Lake Highlands(same scoring used in every tournament), but it does point out a flaw in the scoring system/tiebraker. A win and a tie should be better than 2 ties. It is in league play. It promotes more aggressive soccer.

The only solution(s) I could think of is giving 7 points for a win(instead of 6) or adding in a "games won" criteria ahead of goal differential in the tiebraker system. I haven't thought enough about the impacts of giving teams an extra point for a win(that might create other issues?) but I think the tiebraker addition would be a good add.

Anyway congrats to all for a very good weekend of soccer. Best of luck this year.

soccer12345 wrote:Congrats to the four teams that made it, and feel bad for both FCD Black and Liverpool Keegan  for not making.  

Keegan gave up 2 goals (in one game) in the 2 weeks of qualifying.  In addition they beat Rush Stark in week 1, and didn't qualify.  That is a tough outcome.

FCD Black beat FWFC in week 1 and played well for most of week 2.  What makes this especially difficult is that if you would look at Lake Highlands league scoring(3 points for win, 1 for tie) FCD Black would have advanced and not LP Daglish, by virtue of their win on Saturday night.  

This isn't a knock on LP Daglish(if they knew they needed a win on Sunday they might have played more aggressively) or of Lake Highlands(same scoring used in every tournament), but it does point out a flaw in the scoring system/tiebraker.    A win and a tie should be better than 2 ties.   It is in league play.  It promotes more aggressive soccer.  

The only solution(s) I could think of is giving 7 points for a win(instead of 6) or adding in a "games won" criteria ahead of goal differential in the tiebraker system.   I haven't thought enough about the impacts of giving teams an extra point for a win(that might create other issues?) but I think the tiebraker addition would be a good add.

Anyway congrats to all for a very good weekend of soccer.   Best of luck this year.

I think you are comparing FCD's 3 games to LP's 2 games if you are reconciling the points they earned. So you are saying a win/tie and loss is better than 3 ties? This would indicate that a team going undefeated is less worthy than one that takes a loss. Just asking.

Before I respond, I want to reinforce this is not a lp daglish doesn't belong in lake highlands post.   Going into Sunday lp daglish had 2 ties, and FCD had 1 win and 1 loss.   Due to the current scoring system lp daglish knew(I assume) they only needed a tie to advance.   They tied and and advanced.   I think FCD should have had the tiebraker, not LP.

To answer your question directly, yes I think a1-1-1 record is better than 0-3-0(3 ties).   As does lake highlands(during regular season), FIFA etc....  You want to encourage teams to play to win.

However the result on Sunday might have been different if lp daglish knew they needed a win.  LP Daglish is worthy of a lake highlands birth, but iMHO so is FCD, and in this case there wasn't enough room for both.    Anyway good luck to both teams.  Both are very solid.

soccer12345 wrote:Before I respond, I want to reinforce this is not a lp daglish doesn't belong in lake highlands post.   Going into Sunday lp daglish had 2 ties, and FCD had 1 win and 1 loss.   Due to the current scoring system lp daglish knew(I assume) they only needed a tie to advance.   They tied and and advanced.   I think FCD should have had the tiebraker, not LP.

To answer your question directly, yes I think a1-1-1 record is better than 0-3-0(3 ties).   As does lake highlands(during regular season), FIFA etc....  You want to encourage teams to play to win.

However the result on Sunday might have been different if lp daglish knew they needed a win.  LP Daglish is worthy of a lake highlands birth, but iMHO so is FCD, and in this case there wasn't enough room for both.    Anyway good luck to both teams.  Both are very solid.

IMHO, all 8 teams are worthy of being in LH.  But, alas, there wasn't enough room.

bwgophers wrote:

Adi-dazzler wrote:Of the teams in D3 last year LP Dalglish was the only one to re-qualify?

Nero will be a good add to the Classic league.

Congrats to all!

They are actually the first team from the bottom 4 of the U11 D3 standings to re-qualify for D3 at U12 in the past 3 years.  1 for 12 in the '00's, '01's, and, '02's...

I think it is a true testament to the coach and to the parents on that team.  I think there were only 2 or 3 changes to the roster.  You are right...  the first in 3 years.  When others bailed and ran to "greener pastures", these girls hunkered down and followed their coach to regain their place.  Good job girls.  (No, my DD does not play on this team. We do have friends on this team however!)

I agree FCD Black was cold bloodedly robbed of a goal in round 2...but what i tell my daughter is you can't leave your wins in the hands of referee's or linesmen (in this case) - that have NO IDEA what they are doing. She was knocked down 2 times heading for the keeper of the opposing team *she's a forward* and no cards were given either...so it was just bad calls all around...just flat our shoves from behind - no cards? seriously? Any other game - they would have gotten at least a yellow card...and again all I can explain to my daughter is to continue to work hard no matter what level you are playing and no matter what type of referee's you get...LESSON is very hard - but that's LIFE.

FCD 02 black is a great skilled group of girls - and they will be back!! Do they deserve lake highlands _ YES! But we (parent's) can't sit and argue with refs or linesmen about their bad calls - cause we only end up being the bad guys - carded for questioning or aguing their screw ups...just not worth my daughter seeing that. She'll just have to play harder next time and score more in each game...so a call here & there by a linemen that isn't right - will not affect them.

...We still have class ;-)

stnetsoccer wrote:I agree FCD Black was cold bloodedly robbed of a goal in round 2...but what i tell my daughter is you can't leave your wins in the hands of referee's or linesmen (in this case) - that have NO IDEA what they are doing.  She was knocked down 2 times heading for the keeper of the opposing team *she's a forward* and no cards were given either...so it was just bad calls all around...just flat our shoves from behind - no cards? seriously? Any other game - they would have gotten at least a yellow card...and again all I can explain to my daughter is to continue to work hard no matter what level you are playing and no matter what type of referee's you get...LESSON is very hard - but that's LIFE.

FCD 02 black is a great skilled group of girls - and they will be back!! Do they deserve lake highlands _ YES! But we (parent's) can't sit and argue with refs or linesmen about their bad calls - cause we only end up being the bad guys - carded for questioning or aguing their screw ups...just not worth my daughter seeing that. She'll just have to play harder next time and score more in each game...so a call here & there by a linemen that isn't right - will not affect them.

...We still have class ;-)

They might be a great group of girls, but no team "deserves" to be in LH.  You either earn it or you don't.  Qualifying aside, FCD had all last year to prove they "deserved" to be in LH - they only won 2 games in league play an did not earn a bye.

Do not know what happen in reference to the call on FCD Black vs LP Dag but I am surprised that FCD Black didn’t not make it as they were one of the more skillful teams out the past two weekends. They made a great effort to play an all-around game on both sides of the pitch.

LHD - Yeah "deserves" it the appropriate word...the team plays a different type of game - not just kick the ball and chase it. AND don't be bitter of me using deserve - these girls work hard and do deserve to be there...and if you read my whole post, I'm not bitter about the whole ordeal (crap happens) - I agree that they will "EARN" it(cause it makes you happy for me to use that word instead)...as it didn't work in their favor this time around.

LAST YEAR - FCD BLACK didn't participate in lake highlands as this team is a NEWLY FORMED TEAM - so don't know what you are talking about?

If you are saying that WEST as some people have commented in pasts posts - then know that in order to be considered a "previous team" you have to have kept a percentage of players??? There are 5 girls from west that came to this team - NOT A majority...so not the same team...

I'm not bitter LHD - you shouldn't be either..."deserves is a great word"...lol!!

stnetsoccer wrote:LHD - Yeah "deserves" it the appropriate word...the team plays a different type of game - not just kick the ball and chase it.  AND don't be bitter of me using deserve - these girls work hard and do deserve to be there...and if you read my whole post, I'm not bitter about the whole ordeal (crap happens) - I agree that they will "EARN" it(cause it makes you happy for me to use that word instead)...as it didn't work in their favor this time around.

LAST YEAR - FCD BLACK didn't participate in lake highlands as this team is a NEWLY FORMED TEAM - so don't know what you are talking about?  

If you are saying that WEST as some people have commented in pasts posts - then know that in order to be considered a "previous team" you have to have kept a percentage of players???  There are 5 girls from west that came to this team - NOT A majority...so not the same team...

I'm not bitter LHD - you shouldn't be either..."deserves is a great word"...lol!!

To each his own.  I prefer the words "earn" and "achieve."  As aptly stated by Will Munny: "deserves got nothin' to do with it."  If a team earns or achieves a spot in LH . . . they will be in LH.

Not sure where you get that I'm bitter?  I have no connection to FCD West, Black, Purple, etc.  I just don't agree with this generational entitlement attitude that someone is owed (or deserves) something without doing what is necessary to earn or achieve the desired result.  I see it all the time with my younger employees - whether successful or not, they think they should be praised and rewarded for just trying.  

*I assumed it was basically the same team with a new name since FCD West's game history is now listed under FCD Black, they got FCD West's returning LH team seeding in qualifying, and have the same coach.  My bad.  Regardless, good luck with the new team.

LHD - "I assumed it was basically the same team with a new name since FCD West's game history is now listed under FCD Black, they got FCD West's returning LH team seeding in qualifying, and have the same coach. My bad. Regardless, good luck with the new team."

ASSUMED - wrong...NOT THE SAME COACH EITHER...wrong again...sorry bud ;-(

stnetsoccer wrote:LHD - "I assumed it was basically the same team with a new name since FCD West's game history is now listed under FCD Black, they got FCD West's returning LH team seeding in qualifying, and have the same coach.  My bad.  Regardless, good luck with the new team."

ASSUMED - wrong...NOT THE SAME COACH EITHER...wrong again...sorry bud ;-(

Coach Young originally had this team. The team was handed off to his brother, Gil. This is not a brand new team. Only a name and coach change with some new player additions. Good luck to them and everyone this year!

stnetsoccer wrote:LHD - "I assumed it was basically the same team with a new name since FCD West's game history is now listed under FCD Black, they got FCD West's returning LH team seeding in qualifying, and have the same coach.  My bad.  Regardless, good luck with the new team."

ASSUMED - wrong...NOT THE SAME COACH EITHER...wrong again...sorry bud ;-(

Good thing you are not bitter.