U.S. U-17 WNT CONCACAF

Congrats to the single NTX player who made the U17 WNT team. Congrats to Madison and make NTX proud.


U.S. U-17 WNT CONCACAF Qualifying Roster by Position:
GOALKEEPERS (1) : Lauren Rood (Washington Timbers; Camas, Wash.)
DEFENDERS (7): Gabriella Carreiro (FC Stars of Mass; Upton, Mass.), Mia Gyau (Bethesda Lions; Silver Springs, Md.), Natalie Jacobs (Slammers FC; Coto de Caza, Calif.), Ellie Jean (Oakwood SC; Coventry, Conn.), Tegan McGrady (MVLA SC; San Jose, Calif.), Zoe Morse (Michigan Hawks; East Lansing, Mich.), Taylor Otto (CASL; Apex, N.C.)
MIDFIELDERS (5): Dorian Bailey (Sporting BVSC; Mission, Ks.), Marley Canales (San Diego Surf; San Diego, Calif.), Taylor Racioppi (PDA Clash; Ocean Township, N.J.), Anika Rodriguez (So Cal Blues; Torrance, Calif.), Frankie Tagliaferri (PDA; Colts Neck, N.J.)
FORWARDS (6): Madison Haley (Dallas Texans; Dallas, Texas), Kelcie Hedge (Washington Premier; Post Falls, Idaho), Civana Kuhlmann (Colorado Rush; Parker, Colo.), Mallory Pugh (Real Colorado; Highlands Ranch, Colo.), Zoe Redei (Eclipse Select; Highland Park, Ill.), Maddy Schultz (Northwest Nationals; Edmonds, Wash.)

Definitely inherited dad's determination and drive! Well done  

Great job.... a u14 on the u17 National team. That is one helluva feat.

Size/speed kills and she has plenty to burn but you don't jump that many levels unless you are insanely physically AND technically gifted.

U15, but who's counting.

Yes you are right....I just shed a tear as that means my baby is a u14 now. :-(

outonthelimb wrote:Great job.... a u14 on the u17 National team.  That is one helluva feat.  

Size/speed kills and she has plenty to burn but you don't jump that many levels unless you are insanely physically AND technically gifted.

Is she really a U14 player? If so, that is insane.... That is the kind of thing this site should be celebrating and making a big deal about. The individual excellence of a player that allowed her to be one of the best in the Country....

There should be a page dedicated to how she got there and what the DT team did to make her that great. That, in my view, would be much better than the ridiculous FBR rankings the young parents are obsessed about ad nausiem.

How did this girl become so great and a superstar?

Move your feet is correct. MH is a '99 playing '97 ECNL which means she is a u15.

She's got a pretty good gene pool to start from so I don't think the Texans can take all the credit. Perhaps Texans helped on the technical side though and I know they haven't been shy about getting her out of her age group and into 1 and now 2 age groups up despite how it impacts the team she left behind.

She has always been a stud. The type of scores her team posted when she played with her age group is the stuff of legends. 2009 u11 - 104 goals scored. She had a stud for a running mate as well.

Her combination of speed/power/skill is a sight. It should be illegal to be that fast with the ball, turn like she does and score with surgical precision.

outonthelimb wrote:Move your feet is correct.  MH is a '99 playing '97 ECNL which means she is a u15.

She's got a pretty good gene pool to start from so I don't think the Texans can take all the credit.  Perhaps Texans helped on the technical side though and I know they haven't been shy about getting her out of her age group and into 1 and now 2 age groups up despite how it impacts the team she left behind.  

She has always been a stud.  The type of scores her team posted when she played with her age group is the stuff of legends.  2009 u11 - 104 goals scored.  She had a stud for a running mate as well.

Her combination of speed/power/skill is a sight.  It should be illegal to be that fast with the ball, turn like she does and score with surgical precision.

Thanks for the info. It is great to hear about truly gifted players like this coming out of NTX. Also weakens the argument that the kids who are studs at U10 and U11 wont be the best players when they get older. I tend to think that the ones that stand out at the younger ages, ( like this girl did) will also be the best at the older ages. It is likely most will never rise to the level of this player, but this is something for the younger kids to shoot for.

Congratulations to her and her family and hopefully we see her on the USWNT top roster in years to come.

I'm a bit surprised that Kaycie Tillman (KT- Sting '97 ECNL) did not make the roster this time.  She is another highly regarded but not well known NTX stud.  She was on the u17 WNT roster (along with MH) a few months ago that went to Costa Rica in April and also on the roster in January against Germany.

Similar build as MH....lower body strength out the wazoo and goes from zero to fast...fast combined with excellent touch and great leg playing outside.  KT is more of a winger while MH is a target both should get more pub from their respective clubs IMHO.

outonthelimb wrote:I'm a bit surprised that Kaycie Tillman (KT- Sting '97 ECNL) did not make the roster this time.  She is another highly regarded but not well known NTX stud.  She was on the u17 WNT roster (along with MH) a few months ago that went to Costa Rica in April and also on the roster in January against Germany.

Similar build as MH....lower body strength out the wazoo and goes from zero to fast...fast combined with excellent touch and great leg playing outside.  KT is more of a winger while MH is a target both should get more pub from their respective clubs IMHO.

KT is out with a torn ACL which happened in Richmond, VA at the ECNL Nationals. And you are right, KT would have made this roster if she was healthy. One heck of a player.

If you have never seen MH play, you should definitely get out to watch her. I have never seen an acceleration from 0-60 in a player, boy or girl, in any sport. Truly special. Size, speed, attitude... She guested on the U17 team last year (as a U14) and scored a goal (or two) in Costa Rica if I'm not mistaken.

KT is also a lot of fun to watch albeit a different type of player. I remember seeing her trot up to a free kick last year from 40 yds out and put a strike to the far post upper corner on a rope. Not sure the goalie ever moved. I remember watching Mario Lemieux hit five plates in five corners with five pucks in an all star competition when I was 10 and being amazed that someone could control the puck like that. I remember feeling the same after seeing the shot by KT. Didn't seem lucky at all to me. She wanted to hit the far post and hit the far post. What next...

I see all the posts about what is wrong with NT soccer but there is a lot right about it as well. There are extremely talented players coming out of the Metroplex and whether they make the team you think they should or not is a mix of talent, politics, desire, injuries etc etc. There are also some terrific teams that are in the mix for a National title every year. It's crazy that we measure success only with National titles. There is exactly 1 team that achieves that. In a game of 1 goal, to even make it to Nationals should be a celebrated feat yet is deemed a failure if you don't win it all. Soap box done

Go see MH or KT or any of the other really talented kids out there. Take your DD. You can spend hundreds of hours in skills and training and your DD can learn more in watching these girls compete for 80 minutes than you can believe. I guarantee you that every single person playing her knows who she is, what her weaknesses are and is gunning to stop her. Some kid from Costa Rica might learn the hard way who she is but locally... they know. It is a battle every time out. and yes... she has flattened my DD more than once.

Who did MH play for at U11?

Congrats to MH, her fam and the Texans. That's an amazing accomplishment and worthy of celebration.

Scary that some are asking how/what steps it took to get there, as if it can be replicated.
The first step the club takes is 1. Recruit MH. Then, step 2 is Keep MH at club.

She's a phenom, always has been. There is truth to the fact that the stars at 10/11 aren't necessarily the stars at U15+, but the inverse is usually the case - the stars at U15+ were indeed standouts at U10/11. Girls can lose a lot as they age (speed, interest...).

If you want your daughter to have this same opportunity, you have to start at birth, not U10/U11.

intrinsic wrote:Who did MH play for at U11?

Texans. They were Grand Champs with a 19-0-0 record and 104 goals for and 8 goals against. Still barely beat Sting because Sting's only loss was to Texans. Sting GF/GA was 67/6. Two super teams at the time.

dfeetersarethebomb wrote:Scary that some are asking how/what steps it took to get there, as if it can be replicated.
The first step the club takes is 1. Recruit MH. Then, step 2 is Keep MH at club.

She's a phenom, always has been. There is truth to the fact that the stars at 10/11 aren't necessarily the stars at U15+, but the inverse is usually the case - the stars at U15+ were indeed standouts at U10/11.  Girls can lose a lot as they age (speed, interest...).

If you want your daughter to have this same opportunity, you have to start at birth, not U10/U11.

Although I may disagree with your username,   this may be one of the truest post ever on this forum.

geno105 wrote:

intrinsic wrote:Who did MH play for at U11?

Texans. They were Grand Champs with a 19-0-0 record and 104 goals for and 8 goals against.  Still barely beat Sting because Sting's only loss was to Texans.  Sting GF/GA was 67/6.  Two super teams at the time.

Yeah, but Sting was definitely more beatable than were the Texans. At least it seemed that way.

futbollove wrote:

geno105 wrote:

intrinsic wrote:Who did MH play for at U11?

Texans. They were Grand Champs with a 19-0-0 record and 104 goals for and 8 goals against.  Still barely beat Sting because Sting's only loss was to Texans.  Sting GF/GA was 67/6.  Two super teams at the time.

Yeah, but Sting was definitely more beatable than were the Texans. At least it seemed that way.

Absolutely. They scored the majority of their goals against the 11-19 teams that year and beat the top 10 in 1-0 & 2-0 games mostly.

geno105 wrote:

futbollove wrote:

geno105 wrote:

intrinsic wrote:Who did MH play for at U11?

Texans. They were Grand Champs with a 19-0-0 record and 104 goals for and 8 goals against.  Still barely beat Sting because Sting's only loss was to Texans.  Sting GF/GA was 67/6.  Two super teams at the time.

Yeah, but Sting was definitely more beatable than were the Texans. At least it seemed that way.

Absolutely.  They scored the majority of their goals against the 11-19 teams that year and beat the top 10 in 1-0 & 2-0 games mostly.

3/27/2010
Game Time Home Team Away Team Location
#622 12:00 PM DALLAS TEXANS DALLAS 99 3 STING 99 0 Toyota of Lewisville - Railroad Park #8

I don't know if any team will score 104 Goals in a single season again. The 20 team U11 season certainly lends itself to inflated Goals scored, but 104 was absolutely amazing.  Last year's goal leader was not the grand champion of U11.  FC DALLAS 02G PREMIER  had 74 Goals and came in second place.

dfeetersarethebomb wrote:Scary that some are asking how/what steps it took to get there, as if it can be replicated.
The first step the club takes is 1. Recruit MH. Then, step 2 is Keep MH at club.

She's a phenom, always has been. There is truth to the fact that the stars at 10/11 aren't necessarily the stars at U15+, but the inverse is usually the case - the stars at U15+ were indeed standouts at U10/11.  Girls can lose a lot as they age (speed, interest...).

If you want your daughter to have this same opportunity, you have to start at birth, not U10/U11.

That was my general question, but I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment. Players like MH are born and not made by a club. In reality there is not much a parent can do to make their kid a phenom that will play on the US National team. The kid has to have the drive and the God-given ability. As to the clubs, it sounds like MH made the Texans better and not the other way around.

Should be an interesting lesson for those always looking for the best or top ranked team to play on. Its not about the team...

Coach is a better choice than the club, but, if you are playing and practicing against D3 or Plano/Arlington opponents, your improvement opportunities are not as great.
Big clubs do offer better exposure and better opportunities to play against older teams or better nationwide opponents.

At the level we are talking about - the club is virtually a nonfactor. There are plenty of examples of people from smaller states or clubs that advance through the chain- as mentioned, more of a genetic and internal drive thing.

Lebron probably could have been found on a playground and he'd be as good as he is now.

dfeetersarethebomb wrote:
At the level we are talking about - the club is virtually a nonfactor. There are plenty of examples of people from smaller states or clubs that advance through the chain- as mentioned, more of a genetic and internal drive thing.

Lebron probably could have been found on a playground and he'd be as good as he is now.

For sure the club or coaches cant take all the credit, or even most the credit, but to say they are non-factors is overstating it quite a bit.

MH is a physically dominant player...like a full grown woman playing with girls. Texans could've left her at age so they could win hardware instead of allowing her the challenge of playing up.

When chi came through folks recognized her talent and genetic pedigree, but feet still got their share of the credit....rightfully so IMO.

4-3-3 wrote:

dfeetersarethebomb wrote:
At the level we are talking about - the club is virtually a nonfactor. There are plenty of examples of people from smaller states or clubs that advance through the chain- as mentioned, more of a genetic and internal drive thing.

Lebron probably could have been found on a playground and he'd be as good as he is now.

For sure  the club or coaches cant take all the credit, or even most the credit, but to say they are non-factors is overstating it quite a bit.

MH is a physically dominant player...like a full grown woman playing with girls. Texans could've left her at age so they could win hardware instead of allowing her the challenge of playing up.

When chi came through folks recognized her talent and genetic pedigree, but feet still got their share of the credit....rightfully so IMO.

So then... let's ask this question and see what the masses say...

If MH had been with the following clubs since U10/U11, instead of Texans, would she be in the same spot she is today?  If your answer to any of these is NO, elaborate why you think so...

D'Feeters
FC Dallas
Solar
Sting

Are there any other non-ECNL NTX clubs that would have gotten her to same place?

Sting, Feet - yes
Solar - probably
FCD - Doubt it. I don't think anyone over there (a. has a clue when it comes to the girls side of things, or (b. don't care enough about the girls side.
My bet would be on b.