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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by Coach&Ref 17/12/13, 10:08 pm
gimeemore wrote:Coach can select players with recruiting, players can select teams by trying out/release. This is the environment of SELECT soccer. If you are not used to this because your dd belongs to a team that has not experienced this...just wait, it will come. However, I would address this directly to the coach about how he/she handles new players. Even if the new player shows "flashes of brilliance", I am of the opinion that the core players should always be given precedence. One player is not worth risking the chemistry if in the end it proves to not make the team better in the long term. I have heard that story before...new girl comes...win a few games...then the bad team-play unfolds.
I might be cynical, but I don't believe this to be true. The coach is going to do WHATEVER it takes to keep the team in D1. The coach may be fully aware that only a handful of girls might barely keep the team in D1, but who cares? The team is still in D1. Because of this fact, new players will try out for the team at the end of the season and the weak players will not be invited back if someone beats them out, regardless of chemistry.
Look at teams. 1.5hrs of practice 2x per week and one game on Saturday is CLEARLY not enough to significantly improve. On teams, you will find girls and parents who are just fine with this setup, and you will also find those parents who understand that it is nowhere near the training needed to improve. These competitive girls and parents will seek out extra skills sessions and work at home. They will play pick-up futsal games as well as small 3v3 tourneys that the club is not involved in. They may also play indoor and participate in ODP.
At this point, a gap starts to form and those who are seeking the extra training due to their competitive nature, will greatly surpass the others. Two cliques start to form. You will see the chemistry you pointed out, but it will be in the form of chemistry within the separate cliques.
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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by Guest 18/12/13, 09:33 am
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Look at teams. 1.5hrs of practice 2x per week and one game on Saturday is CLEARLY not enough to significantly improve. On teams, you will find girls and parents who are just fine with this setup, and you will also find those parents who understand that it is nowhere near the training needed to improve. These competitive girls and parents will seek out extra skills sessions and work at home. They will play pick-up futsal games as well as small 3v3 tourneys that the club is not involved in. They may also play indoor and participate in ODP.
At this point, a gap starts to form and those who are seeking the extra training due to their competitive nature, will greatly surpass the others. Two cliques start to form. You will see the chemistry you pointed out, but it will be in the form of chemistry within the separate cliques.[/quote]
This may be a little off-topic for the thread, but this is a GREAT point. Most parents / kids are willing to make the minimum commitment to play Select soccer, but there are many kids who are willing to work outside of the normal schedule to work on individual skill.
Practices focus on improving the TEAM and while the individuals will improve during training, the coaches simply don't have the time to focus on each individual outside of simple corrections in practice. If a player wants to expedite their growth, outside individual instruction can help get them there. In the 1st few years of Select, the players who put in the work at home and outside of the minimum requirements are the ones who will eventually send the kids who just practice to the bench. The ones who don't commit to practicing regularly will find themselves looking for a team.
For some kids and parents, the minimum commitment is good for them. They may start at LHGCL at U11 but find themselves in the next year or 2 in the PPL though based on the time they are willing to put in. That's the nature of Select soccer. The ones willing to put in the time and work will displace those who don't. Some people will be fine with this, but some will struggle figuring out why this happens. If you're one of the ones struggling with why this happens, start at the top and read this again.
Look at teams. 1.5hrs of practice 2x per week and one game on Saturday is CLEARLY not enough to significantly improve. On teams, you will find girls and parents who are just fine with this setup, and you will also find those parents who understand that it is nowhere near the training needed to improve. These competitive girls and parents will seek out extra skills sessions and work at home. They will play pick-up futsal games as well as small 3v3 tourneys that the club is not involved in. They may also play indoor and participate in ODP.
At this point, a gap starts to form and those who are seeking the extra training due to their competitive nature, will greatly surpass the others. Two cliques start to form. You will see the chemistry you pointed out, but it will be in the form of chemistry within the separate cliques.[/quote]
This may be a little off-topic for the thread, but this is a GREAT point. Most parents / kids are willing to make the minimum commitment to play Select soccer, but there are many kids who are willing to work outside of the normal schedule to work on individual skill.
Practices focus on improving the TEAM and while the individuals will improve during training, the coaches simply don't have the time to focus on each individual outside of simple corrections in practice. If a player wants to expedite their growth, outside individual instruction can help get them there. In the 1st few years of Select, the players who put in the work at home and outside of the minimum requirements are the ones who will eventually send the kids who just practice to the bench. The ones who don't commit to practicing regularly will find themselves looking for a team.
For some kids and parents, the minimum commitment is good for them. They may start at LHGCL at U11 but find themselves in the next year or 2 in the PPL though based on the time they are willing to put in. That's the nature of Select soccer. The ones willing to put in the time and work will displace those who don't. Some people will be fine with this, but some will struggle figuring out why this happens. If you're one of the ones struggling with why this happens, start at the top and read this again.
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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by herradura 18/12/13, 10:19 am
I also agree with this, those who put in the extra skills work off the field already have a gap from those who do not. Most of the time, Coaches will run practices to the median level of the team - leaving these more advanced players less challenged. But as the gap widens the more advanced players congregate on top teams, the median bar is raised - and practices become challenging for everyone.
Then the gap becomes who puts in the most fitness work off the field.
Then the gap becomes who puts in the most fitness work off the field.
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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by Guest 18/12/13, 10:33 am
"Most parents / kids are willing to make the minimum commitment to play Select soccer"
to play devils advocate lets look at this. select soccer is training nearly 52 weeks a year, leagues in the spring and fall,many tournaments, many that fall on holidays, driving a kid(or kids) to practice 2 times a week some a long distance, that is usually about 2-2 1/2 hours of time commitment, postponing vacations, missing out on many other experiences, dragging siblings to games they dont want to go to, paying nearly 3k a year, shuffling homework, church, etc, paying for expensive cleats uniforms etc. all in all select soccer is a huge time and money suck, for kids who 99 percent of will not play pro soccer or even college soccer. so stop being so sanctimonious about a KIDS sport. Many many parents are making a huge commitment for the simple act of the love of their kid.....
to play devils advocate lets look at this. select soccer is training nearly 52 weeks a year, leagues in the spring and fall,many tournaments, many that fall on holidays, driving a kid(or kids) to practice 2 times a week some a long distance, that is usually about 2-2 1/2 hours of time commitment, postponing vacations, missing out on many other experiences, dragging siblings to games they dont want to go to, paying nearly 3k a year, shuffling homework, church, etc, paying for expensive cleats uniforms etc. all in all select soccer is a huge time and money suck, for kids who 99 percent of will not play pro soccer or even college soccer. so stop being so sanctimonious about a KIDS sport. Many many parents are making a huge commitment for the simple act of the love of their kid.....
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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by Guest 18/12/13, 10:44 am
If you made an analysis of the 03's right now (1st year of Select), I can guarantee there is a significant player / parent commitment gap between the top 5 teams and the bottom 5 teams in Classic. The top 5 (or so) teams have players who put in significant time outside of the team training sessions. The bottom 5 (or so) will stick to the schedule emailed out by the coach / manager each week and will have a handful of players who miss practice once or twice a month. Those are the players and parents who "feel" committed, but will quickly find themselves on the outside looking in.
It's kind of strange that teams have dedicated coaches and training for keepers, but don't have that same focus on skills for their field players.
It's kind of strange that teams have dedicated coaches and training for keepers, but don't have that same focus on skills for their field players.
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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by Guest 18/12/13, 11:11 am
silentparent wrote: "Most parents / kids are willing to make the minimum commitment to play Select soccer"
to play devils advocate lets look at this. select soccer is training nearly 52 weeks a year, leagues in the spring and fall,many tournaments, many that fall on holidays, driving a kid(or kids) to practice 2 times a week some a long distance, that is usually about 2-2 1/2 hours of time commitment, postponing vacations, missing out on many other experiences, dragging siblings to games they dont want to go to, paying nearly 3k a year, shuffling homework, church, etc, paying for expensive cleats uniforms etc. all in all select soccer is a huge time and money suck, for kids who 99 percent of will not play pro soccer or even college soccer. so stop being so sanctimonious about a KIDS sport. Many many parents are making a huge commitment for the simple act of the love of their kid.....
No doubt! The "minimum" commitment to play Select is a big commitment for sure. Year-round training, 20 game schedule, anywhere from 6-8 tourneys and an indoor / futsal season mixed in is a lot of soccer. My point is, everyone is swimming with the big fish now and it is possible to be outworked by someone who is willing to put in the extra time. My DD loves the structure, the "habit" if you will of our Select schedule, but she doesn't do a lot of work outside of the regular schedule on her own. I'm totally OK with that. If she wanted to she would. I'm not being sanctimonious at all, just stating a simple fact. People have to choose carefully what level of "Select" soccer they and their kid are comfortable with. If you know your comfort level, you're probably happy. If you don't, or don't know your childs, then you probably are setting yourself up for disappointment.
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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by pitchafit 29/12/13, 10:51 pm
silentparent wrote: "Most parents / kids are willing to make the minimum commitment to play Select soccer"
to play devils advocate lets look at this. select soccer is training nearly 52 weeks a year, leagues in the spring and fall,many tournaments, many that fall on holidays, driving a kid(or kids) to practice 2 times a week some a long distance, that is usually about 2-2 1/2 hours of time commitment, postponing vacations, missing out on many other experiences, dragging siblings to games they dont want to go to, paying nearly 3k a year, shuffling homework, church, etc, paying for expensive cleats uniforms etc. all in all select soccer is a huge time and money suck, for kids who 99 percent of will not play pro soccer or even college soccer. so stop being so sanctimonious about a KIDS sport. Many many parents are making a huge commitment for the simple act of the love of their kid.....
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Re: Unwelcomed Guest
by pitchafit 29/12/13, 10:56 pm
Love it! Just enjoy these moments.. You will be disappointed when the path YOU paved isn't the path they want.. Some will lose interest, get injured, academically challenged, and some may have coaches with weak recruitment skills.. I have seen brilliant players not score high enough to make it into the colleges that wanted them! If you're wanting to pay for college, spend money on a tutor. As for now, relax, cherish these short years..boy they come and go quickly!
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