Coach Cicero

I heard an interesting story a few months back in which a player knew her team was in for it from their coach after a mediocre performance in a high-profile event. She turned on the 'memo' function on her phone before he got started, and later went back and counted something like 42 F-bombs he'd dropped while sharing his wisdom with the young ladies on the squad.

I don't know whether this story is true, but I heard something else about the guy yesterday that made me wonder if that recording is still echoing around here and there.

Don't know about the f-bomb, I have heard it too BUT I know that I have a lot of respect for Cicero.
He was one of the only ODP coaches that my DD has had through the years that even bothered to learn the girls' names or speak to them outside of ODP.

Shotshagger wrote:I heard an interesting story a few months back in which a player knew her team was in for it from their coach after a mediocre performance in a high-profile event.  She turned on the 'memo' function on her phone before he got started, and later went back and counted something like 42 F-bombs he'd dropped while sharing his wisdom with the young ladies on the squad.

I don't know whether this story is true, but I heard something else about the guy yesterday that made me wonder if that recording is still echoing around here and there.

I don't even know who this coach is.... But, if you are posting a statement with the comment, I don't know if this is true, then don't post it. Not sure what your agenda is, but you clearly have one. Otherwise, why would one post something so negative regarding one individual. This could be classified as slander. If you want to post something like this, that is so negative, you should at least clarify how you heard it, who, etc. Your intent was just to talk bad about a coach with no "facts".

That could come close to slander but at any rate I would tell the girl to erase the memo and hope nobody finds out she did it. Great that "see mommy and daddy the coach was mean to me" but no college coach is going to want that kid and that kind of problem on their team. The performance was mediocre so take your burro chewing like an athlete

here is an exerpt from an article that applies

Rescue Your Kids From “Affluenza”: Teach Them Grit!

The recent news out of Texas, where a 16 year old driver was only given probation for driving drunk and killing four innocent bystanders, popularized a new psychological term in the process. Apparently, parents raising children in wealthy suburbs with little oversight, few rules, and utter indifference to their behavior are causing “affluenza,” a supposed condition that causes a sense of entitlement, irresponsible behavior and, I will just say it, a generation of spoiled brats. Like many people, I first thought this might be a farcical article from “The Onion.” Then, I was appalled by the lack of a jail sentence for the driver. I was even more appalled that we live in a country where some people see wealth, privilege, and an abandonment of parental responsibilities as an excuse to commit manslaughter. Yet the point of this article is not to discuss the despicable lack of a jail sentence, nor is it to argue the merits of whether this is actually a psychological condition or not. What I would like to discuss is the similar condition that I see in many young athletes. These athletes – many of them, but not all of them, coming from well-to-do families – display an apathetic, indifferent attitude toward challenging situations, difficult training, tough coaches, and most any obstacle that lies in their path toward their goals. At every obstacle, they turn back. They may have great talent and coaching, but they are missing the mental toughness that is required to be a high performer. Usually, this condition exists because the adult role models in their lives shelter them from challenges, swoop in before they can fail, and excuse entitled attitudes by blaming coaches, teachers, and other adults who are actually trying to teach their kids to be a bit tougher. - See more at: http://changingthegameproject.com/rescue-your-kids-from-affluenza-teach-them-grit/#sthash.YRmAzUzr.dpuf

see instead of listening and take what she could from it or possible thinking about her own performance she was focused on let me get this recorded so I can tell mom and dad.

42 F bombs....that doesn't make you mentally tough. Any coach that would do feel that need to do that is a CLOWN. Now 41 is acceptable and more realistic for a non sheltered kid.

42 f bomb makes him a clown but I would be more concerned with the info inbetween the F bombs. But recording so you can tell makes you a problem that no coach wants

Or maybe this sheltered youth had previously explained how tyrant this coach can be, and her disbelieving parents said "toughen up Sally and pay attention, this coach is a U9 guru"--so she wanted to give proof. Cause most certainly this FBomb master wouldn't speak this way while the teams parents were sitting right there with them.

Let me say, I agree when you send your 17/18 year old adult child to college sports, all bets are off. Until then bro, maybe if the coach, whom I do not know at all, wants respect, he should give a little.

guess i'll look this guy up now and see who we are talking about.....

I doubt we are talking U9 (high profile event) but if you carry their load until they are 17 they will be unable to from there. There doesn't seem to be any issues with the message, just the delivery. Is he unfair? Is he not developing or coaching? Is he physically abusive? Coach yelled, used profanity and was mean to me    . Suck it up buttercup and next time step up and perform so you don't get yelled at. We are raising a generation of self entitled, uncompetitive, wimps who think they are all special because mommy and daddy have always told them so. I even hear about drill sergeants being told they couldn't be too mean or use profanity.

42 f bombs isn't appropriate when speaking to anyone. I don't care how old you are. If he is as good a coach as you want to give him credit for being... he can communicate effectively with his team without speaking to them that way. It isn't about making anyone mentally strong or weak; It's about simple decency. Do you want your girls thinking they can marry someone that speaks to them that way? They should be taught to expect respect. I wouldn't put up with that from a boss, from a husband...and not from a coach either. Want to teach me something? Increase your vocabulary. I can't believe parents think it is ok for anyone to speak to their children that way... I don't care how old the child is or how high level the coach is.

I don't know if he is a good coach or not and don't actually care but if you don't want any profanity I would stay away from competitive athletics. And for the record I think there are better ways to teach but I also think my kids are not that fragile that 42 f bombs will break them. I have also seen a number of NTX coaches do things way more damaging to a kids soccer development and self esteem than use profanity.

go99 wrote:I don't know if he is a good coach or not and don't actually care but if you don't want any profanity I would stay away from competitive athletics.  And for the record I think there are better ways to teach but I also think my kids are not that fragile that 42 f bombs will break them.  I have also seen a number of NTX coaches do things way more damaging to a kids soccer development and self esteem than use profanity.

Is it OK for their HS coach? If so, what about their math or english teacher? Would you take this from a tutor hired to help their grades? Don't mind being tough, in fact, I encourage it, but there's a right way and a wrong way..

I didn't say f bombs would break anyone.  It is simply disrespectful.  My dd has been in competitive soccer for over 5 years, she also plays volleyball, basketball, softball and whatever other sports she can manage...and she has no intention of quitting club soccer, but she doesn't have to put up with that either...there are plenty of quality coaches that coach and communicate with players more effectively.  But go ahead...let your daughter have a coach that is that way if you want.  I don't judge you...I just don't agree with you.

It is no longer okay for their HS coach because he would be fired for it but it certianly used to be okay. The image of the screaming hard nosed football coach driving his team didn't just come out of the minds of hollywood. A coach is not just a teacher. A coach also drives towards performance, expectation and excellence. Did the coach lose it? Yep. Is he the worst coach on the planet, needs to get fired, I have to get my dd out immediately? Nope. Now if all he does is scream and yell profanity all of the time, I would question his ability to teach what is needed to accomplish the expectations he has. There is a difference between condone and not overreacting. Message to my dd would have been what did he say that you can use? Throw away the rest and move on. Don't like it you can finish your season and move somewhere else. And no my DD's coach is on the opposite end of that. He is probably way too nice. Great teacher but doesn't really drive or push the girls hard. Sons favorite coach was a driver and really pushed hard (rarely if ever used profanity). You can see the results in how hard his boys team plays and runs thru their competition. And as good as this coach is he could never coach HS. A kid would run to tell mommy and daddy after the first practice when he got on someone

Alright, now im curious. After spending approximately 3.3 seconds googling, I had no luck. What club is the alleged F bomb abuser associated with? Please note, I said alleged.

probably got fired lol

Slander?

Who did I 'slander,' and how would you know that?

Per your statement, you don't know if you slandered or not. Since you claim you heard... but were not sure if it was true. It was not true, it would be considered slander. But, I have a feeling you know it to be true, just don't want to cite sources, etc.

also the coach would have to prove that he was damaged by the statement.

Yea... I wasn't implying there was any legal standing here. I was simply stating, we could all post what we have heard, etc. It's just irresponsible to post something so negative that may or may not be factual.

go99 wrote:also the coach would have to prove that he was damaged by the statement.

Wonder if he could prove it in less than 42 F-Bombs???

im thinking 40 would be enough

I didn't ask 'whether.' I asked 'who.'

I'll worry about your question when you can answer mine.

bwgophers wrote:

go99 wrote:also the coach would have to prove that he was damaged by the statement.

Wonder if he could prove it in less than 42 F-Bombs???

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If a person cannot communicate his or her point without the use of profanity, then he/she need to brush on his/her communication skills. Adults dropping f-bombs when speaking to preteens is unacceptable.
There are plenty of coaches out there than can get their points across to their players without f-bombs.