How big is the difference between D1 and D2?

InaB wrote:Knk, knk, knk, I would say that the Silver team shows great promise and would be at least able to make some headway if they were slotted. I think if Solar Gold is a good example of the coach's prowess then they should have some quality.

Ina, Ina, Ina, no disrespect to you, I heard you are a very nice old lady and I say that with all due respect because I too am AARP eligible, but some of the stuff you say... No doubt the Silver team has great promise and no doubt they have some quality due to the coaches prowess, but they aren't Solar Gold are they? Should gaining a slot be based on proven performance or just being able to "make some headway" if slotted? That could be said for any number of teams. They haven't earned that slot which is my whole point. Do you have so much club bias that it blinds your sense of fairness? Unlike some teams which shall remain nameless, my DD's team earned their way into LH. After failing to make it in the previous two yrs., despite being obviously able to compete/win at that level, they finally played their way in last summer. I say that only to make this next point. Now that we are in, what is the chance that we will even make it up to D1 (despite being good enough to compete at that level right now) by the time these girls graduate from HS? I know what has to happen on the playing field, which is difficult enough, but with the present system of promotion/relegation, club byes, etc., not to mention the internal self-destruction from players leaving to go play at the highest level possible because they are being unfairly held back from doing so with their current team/club, it will be tough odds. Competition on the playing field should be the only thing that stands in the way.

00scrmom wrote:It would seem to...which would FCD West Gold be next in line? If so, they better start writing their apology letters!   

What a travesty if that were the case. Nothing personal against this team, my DD goes to school with players on this team, but really? At least make sure to let them know soon enough so they can recruit to fill those slots to be able to attempt to justify a spot they didn't earn in the first place.

Dear, dear KNK, what bothers you more, that your club can't do it or that your DD isn't being allowed to shine where she is? I couldn't tell for sure from your lengthy reply. OK, so you don't like the idea that a team from Plano could potentially land in D2 of LH. Why not petition to change that rule then? My question is, IF the offer to FCDE has indeed been made, was it made to the coach, the team or both? If the coach only, does he step into the Missimo coaching shoes and rebuild that team and save the bye for that team? Does it mean the entire team and coach cross over and bring their bye with them? If that is the case, who takes the D1 Bye left by Missimo? If Solar Gold takes that slot, does another team get Gold's slot in D2? If the answer is yes, and there is no other Solar team available in LH does the bye go to the next available team which would be Solar Silver? So under these scenarios, it seems logical that a PPL team could bypass QT and move up within its club. In the case of the DTFW issue last year, it was purely logical that they would take the vacated slot left in their club rather than a sister PPL team.

As to anything else you might have said in your War and Peace Epic, I will take it all with a large grain of salt and a margarita.    

Was out there again last night and I can definitely say this is not the case of a team coming over to take someone's bye. The majority of the girls had solar jerseys on.

It looked like about 40 girls out there trying out for both teams. There was a lot of existing solar girls from both teams and girls from just about every club there as well.

I overheard girls from texans, FC Dallas, sting, mustangs, and others.

Basically it looks like there is a lot of interest from all over, not just one team.

Ina, I stipulate to you on all of the details of how the LH rules work in these situations. You've been involved in this far longer than I. In it's most basic form my question/issue has to do with fairness and the integrity of the game on the field, that's all. If the current method is fair to everyone involved, so be it. It just doesn't appear that way to me. I would like to think I am a fair-minded reasonable person, so if I'm missing something or misunderstanding I'm always willing to listen.

Now with respect to your phrase "your club can't do it" what are you referring to, so I can understand your point and properly respond? With respect to your question if it bothers me that my DD is "not being allowed to shine where she is", the only thing that would prevent my DD from shining where she's at is her own skills or lack thereof. If she isn't good enough to have a spot on the team, that spot should go to someone who is.

InaB wrote:Dear, dear KNK, what bothers you more, that your club can't do it or that your DD isn't being allowed to shine where she is? I couldn't tell for sure from your lengthy reply....

As to anything else you might have said in your War and Peace Epic, I will take it all with a large grain of salt and a margarita.  

InaB, War and Peace Epic? No dear, his written opinion was clearly not that long...my posts are clearly more lengthy! The verbose gentleman from D3 made some points that need to examined....

KnKsDad wrote:Foreword/Introduction:
What a travesty if that were the case. Nothing personal against this team, my DD goes to school with players on this team, but really? At least make sure to let them know soon enough so they can recruit to fill those slots to be able to attempt to justify a spot they didn't earn in the first place.

I would hope Solar has a little more foresight than the Texans with DTFW, however, the Bye belongs to the club, unless the players unite to keep and move it. Lamenting otherwise, won't change it.

KnKsDad wrote:Acknowledgements
Ina, Ina, Ina, no disrespect to you, I heard you are a very nice old lady and I say that with all due respect because I too am AARP eligible, but some of the stuff you say...

KnK is obviously a charming, word smith: Old lady? If you called my wife or grandmother an "old lady", they'd put a mean beat-down on your AARP butt and make you use your Medicare card.... man...

KnKsDad wrote:Chapter One:
No doubt the Silver team has great promise and no doubt they have some quality due to the coaches prowess, but they aren't Solar Gold are they? Should gaining a slot be based on proven performance or just being able to "make some headway" if slotted?

Excellent point: Solar Silver is indeed NOT Solar Gold...

KnKsDad wrote:Chapter Two
That could be said for any number of teams. They haven't earned that slot which is my whole point. Do you have so much club bias that it blinds your sense of fairness? Unlike some teams which shall remain nameless, my DD's team earned their way into LH. After failing to make it in the previous two yrs., despite being obviously able to compete/win at that level, they finally played their way in last summer.

I understand your team is very good now, but obviously, Solar organized a more competitive team 2 or 3 years ago.  

KnKsDad wrote:Chapter 3:
I say that only to make this next point. Now that we are in, what is the chance that we will even make it up to D1 (despite being good enough to compete at that level right now) by the time these girls graduate from HS?

How would you propose fairly taking a Bye away from a club that demonstrated it can assemble multiple competitive teams earlier in in this age group's careers and give it to another club that didn't? IMO, Owning an asset is about who bought it, not who deserves it in a couple of years from now.

KnKsDad wrote:Last Chapter
I know what has to happen on the playing field, which is difficult enough, but with the present system of promotion/relegation, club byes, etc., not to mention the internal self-destruction from players leaving to go play at the highest level possible because they are being unfairly held back from doing so with their current team/club, it will be tough odds.

Early successful does not guarantee long term success, but it is not unfair advantage. Keep fighting and winning.

KnKsDad wrote:Prologue:
Competition on the playing field should be the only thing that stands in the way.

Choose to find better competition. I would hope your position in LHCGL wouldn't preclude your DD's team from realizing their goals. Don't let these D1, D2 teams hide, go find them in tournaments or state cup!

InaB! What time is happy hour?!

So with all the discussion as to who will get a bye and what team will land in D1, if your desire is to play on a D1 team which team do you visit? Solar Gold or FCDE?

Other than visiting a D1 team?

FCDE won't be the same obviously. And coach isn't gonna take all of them with him, or if he does, they won't all get rostered. Gold will keep building steadily.

Neither "team" will inherit a D1 spot if that's what you might be wondering.

Go2goal wrote:So with all the discussion as to who will get a bye and what team will land in D1, if your desire is to play on a D1 team which team do you visit? Solar Gold or FCDE?

Come visit both. Both are good teams. Play divergent styles. They aren't the only teams either. I am partial, but this is what I would tell any prospect. Go see. I am sure they are a nice group. I know you will be welcomed at solar. We have a practice from 2-4 tomorrow and then a regular schedule after that. I am sure others are doing the same.

Of course, come to us first-lol!

Good luck!

InaB wrote:Dear, dear KNK, what bothers you more, that your club can't do it or that your DD isn't being allowed to shine where she is? I couldn't tell for sure from your  lengthy reply. OK, so you don't like the idea that a team from Plano could potentially land in D2 of LH. Why not petition to change that rule then? My question is, IF the offer to FCDE has indeed been made, was it made to the coach, the team or both? If the coach only, does he step into the Missimo coaching shoes and rebuild that team and save the bye for that team? Does it mean the entire team and coach cross over and bring their bye with them? If that is the case, who takes the D1 Bye left by Missimo? If Solar Gold takes that slot, does another team get Gold's slot in D2? If the answer is yes, and there is no other Solar team available in LH does the bye go to the next available team which would be Solar Silver? So under these scenarios, it seems logical that a PPL team could bypass QT and move up within its club. In the case of the DTFW issue last year, it was purely logical that they would take the vacated slot left in their club rather than a sister PPL team.

As to anything else you might have said in your War and Peace Epic, I will take it all with a large grain of salt and a margarita.

Now That's funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

Unfortunately for FCDE there are a bunch of really great girls who are getting screwed. It's sad.

sickofit wrote:Unfortunately for FCDE there are a bunch of really great girls who are getting screwed.  It's sad.

Maybe not. Stay tuned.

sickofit wrote:Unfortunately for FCDE there are a bunch of really great girls who are getting screwed.  It's sad.

I can't see FCD NOT trying to keep the majority of them...They have coaches who would willingly step up to take a team that was close to making, and they have the Premier team that if fused would make a pretty top team in D2...then there is also Red and Gold that with a player or two would be pretty competitive that could take a spot and not have to go through the QT...the trick to me is that they need to make the announcement so that the team selected can recruit D2 players.

And there are also probably some teams that would welcome a D2 spot to change their name to FDC Magenta...right old boot??