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How many players are CPP per week? One GK...no big deal IMO. 3 players every game...when a roster starts with 17 or so...that to me is eh...I can see pulling them UP. is that what is going on?

Sorry, I just read your response a little closer, and you seemed to answer most of this. I certainly understand pulling a CPP for an injured gk, and I like that you are pulling UP for field players.

The reason a GK is different to me is safety. A GK is unique in the sense that she can be in head in collisions at full speed, where most other players don't get that often. Not that it CANT happen, but if a kid is on a break, the defense isn't normally running AT her. Short term, use a field player to fill in...long term it is different to me...and if you look on here, there are always postings for keepers. The incidence of injury is higher and the pool of availability is not large enough to accommodate the number of teams. Ask a kid to play forward for a while, and she will accept. Ask one to play in the goal for the rest of the season...may not be so high on that.

Don't be so defensive about using cpp this year. Especially if you have a history of using them.

CPP is crap and it's used as a front for big club teams to win games. To say it is for development and to help teams hit by injury is disingenuous. All you have to look at is who derives the benefit. A smaller club team is put at a competitive disadvantage.

With respect to the injury argument, every team has 18 roster spots and is faced with the same risks/hazards to start the season. Even if in a remote scenario, you are down to only 11 players in a given match, you still have enough to play, so you roll with that. It baffles me that some can even justify using CPP when they have only 1,2,3 players out (even if it is a GK). So is it really the fact that a couple players are out or is more who those players are? So if it is a key player or two that's out, is that when you bring down the hired guns to help despite the fact that you have enough bodies to fill the positions? I'd like to know that stats on that one..

Send It wrote:Don't be so defensive about using cpp this year.  Especially if you have a history of using them.

Not sure if this is for SG, but we haven't used CPP at all this year. We only ever had one on our roster last year for any game. My defensiveness is because I don't like the whole thing, but it was best for us, and it was justified in our camp. We did it due to a GK injury, I guess my point in all of this is that we could, but we would rather not. And if that happens, our CPP would most likely come from PPL. When we had to use CPP last year, we looked first to Silver, but that would have left them without their GK. Hopefully, we don't have any additional injuries this season, but if we do, we'd rather absorb them with our current roster.

Not saying we won't use it, but that if we do, you can ask, and I will tell you why we did. We won't sit a healthy player for one. We won't go dredging up a "ringer" for a game. We are what we are. Sometimes it looks pretty good, other times we look eh, but the players we have were signed for a reason.

KnK you speak as if the big clubs made the rule and put it into place. You are aware this is a LHGCL rule? Proposed by and instituted by the LHGCL board?

I agree that smaller clubs or indies are at a competitive disadvantage. Clearly. And if you are so inclined maybe you could approach the board. Nothing will change without them.

D-3, I can't believe you muttered those 3 letters

Pardon my soapbox, but I have 2 points about this silliness about CPP and Big Clubs ruling the world....

1.  CPP favors the big clubs, because they have more players and teams, not bc there is some conspiracy against the smaller clubs. Any endeavor that requires paid help is a business, which requires paying customers. Any business that desires to remain doing so, has to take care of its customers and that includes soccer clubs and leagues. Clubs compete for players and leagues have to produce a venue that clubs want to be apart.

Remember Woolworth, Kmart, Sears and the independent drug stores owners? When Walmart came to town, they all complained about how Sam Walton had an unfair advantage over them, but their parking lots remained full everyday. Turned out complaining and conspiracy theories were not a good business model.

2. Your team is in D3, because your team has not earned the right to be any higher, not bc of the evil big clubs or CPP. Before I hear the squeal of  "but, but, but" and "what about's", smaller clubs have been making it to D2 and D1for years... Ever heard of Andromeda, the DFeeters or Texas Spirit or surprise, FEVER (Gasp! They have a D1 team in U-13?!).

If the top half of that D1, U-13 Fever team, decided to quit soccer and join the Harlem Globe Trotters, do you really think the Fever Club is going to abdicate the D1 bye or try its damned best rebuild that team? Should "the evil league" be able take away its bye and give it to some other worthy team of its choosing?

You got a great little team there, I have no doubt that they are going to get  where they want to be, but excuses are the very worst thing you could give any team.

backofthenet wrote:KnK you speak as if the big clubs made the rule and put it into place. You are aware this is a LHGCL rule? Proposed by and instituted by the LHGCL board?

I agree that smaller clubs or indies are at a competitive disadvantage. Clearly. And if you are so inclined maybe you could approach the board. Nothing will change without them.

Is this a trick question, or maybe I'm just totally clueless. Many of you have been around a lot longer than I have, so let me ask you, who comprises the board?

This is not directed specifically at you, but why is it that whenever I or someone makes a comment about the current structure, the fall back response always seems to be to approach the board or some such thing? Not that I would have a problem with doing so, but why should I have to? If they cared about the integrity of the game they would make the necessary changes. If they don't care about the concerns voiced by the affected clubs, would they really listen to an individual parent?

The reason I say that is because the board, comprised of various soccer-related parents or enthusiasts, made the rule for LHGCL. They made the change to implement the rule to begin with. I think if someone has a complaint or concern they should absolutely approach the board. Ask the hard questions. Posters doing it here will never change things.

Packrabbit wrote:D-3, I can't believe you muttered those 3 letters

Pardon my soapbox, but I have 2 points about this silliness about CPP and Big Clubs ruling the world....

1.  CPP favors the big clubs, because they have more players and teams, not bc there is some conspiracy against the smaller clubs. Any endeavor that requires paid help is a business, which requires paying customers. Any business that desires to remain doing so, has to take care of its customers and that includes soccer clubs and leagues. Clubs compete for players and leagues have to produce a venue that clubs want to be apart.

Remember Woolworth, Kmart, Sears and the independent drug stores owners? When Walmart came to town, they all complained about how Sam Walton had an unfair advantage over them, but their parking lots remained full everyday. Turned out complaining and conspiracy theories were not a good business model.

2. Your team is in D3, because your team has not earned the right to be any higher, not bc of the evil big clubs or CPP. Before I hear the squeal of  "but, but, but" and "what about's", smaller clubs have been making it to D2 and D1for years... Ever heard of Andromeda, the DFeeters or Texas Spirit or surprise, FEVER (Gasp! They have a D1 team in U-13?!).

If the top half of that D1, U-13 Fever team, decided to quit soccer and join the Harlem Globe Trotters, do you really think the Fever Club is going to abdicate the D1 bye or try its damned best rebuild that team? Should "the evil league" be able take away its bye and give it to some other worthy team of its choosing?

You got a great little team there, I have no doubt that they are going to get  where they want to be, but excuses are the very worst thing you could give any team.

I try hard to ignore you because you are irrelevant. But I'm going to help you try to gain some relevance though by affording you the opportunity to tell me directly which club/team you and your DD are affiliated with. Others on here may already know, but I'm a late arrival, so will you please humor me? Please, do tell. It's okay to come into the light.

It's obvious that you're directing your post towards me (I've underlined the evidence of that above), though many on this forum have voiced concerns about CPP, you've singled me out to direct your little comments. I simply posted voicing my concerns with CPP in response to someone else's comments on the same subject. Did you pick me out because I'm with Fever and we just don't fit your little worldview? You mention excuses, so please point out those excuses I've made for our team.

Although my post was about CPP, you saw fit to bring the club bye thing into the discussion, so in response to your little questions, if our team fell apart I personally do not believe that we should be able to retain the bye, the spot should be given to next best team based on their on the field performance. It's obvious by the way you framed your questions that you do not believe it should be done that way.

backofthenet wrote:The reason I say that is because the board, comprised of various soccer-related parents or enthusiasts, made the rule for LHGCL. They made the change to implement the rule to begin with. I think if someone has a complaint or concern they should absolutely approach the board. Ask the hard questions. Posters doing it here will never change things.

I apologize for speaking out in ignorance then. It was my understanding that the board was comprised of club representatives, not soccer related parents or enthusiasts.

Knksdad,

Some of the board members happen to have players in the big clubs and on teams in the league. So it is a bit self-serving to support CPP, or at the very least a conflict of interest. Although my player plays on a big club team. I do not support the CPP rule.

For that matter, player parents are involved in all aspects of LH, the directors, the board, etc. I think if the rule were exactly like the rule for the boys teams, it would be more acceptable. I understand the small clubs or independent teams' viewpoint, but this isn't just an isolated avenue for North Texas clubs. It is used elsewhere. As I stated on the other thread. Perhaps you should form a club shell for independents and utilize available players from each other.

InaB wrote:For that matter, player parents are involved in all aspects of LH, the directors, the board, etc. I think if the rule were exactly like the rule for the boys teams, it would be more acceptable. I understand the small clubs or independent teams' viewpoint, but this isn't just an isolated avenue for North Texas clubs. It is used elsewhere. As I stated on the other thread. Perhaps you should form a club shell for independents and utilize available players from each other.

Or, just do away with CPP all together. Just because it is used elsewhere does not mean it is great policy. It is what it is. But why not go to war with what you have signed on YOUR squad. Not a pool of players to make up multiple teams. Why is that such a hard concept to accept? As have always said, put together for the big clubs best interest. That's OK, think those that do not have the deep pools to pull from will still show up and play their best regardless of what they are up against.

Independent Clubs United Federation aka:

I.C.U. Federation

There you go. All indys fall under the club are transferable intra-club. Club fees are $100 per team annually.
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