03 Solar Rush (Nero) Guess players - Club Pass

Liverpool Barnes using 2 CPP this morning against our Aguero 03's. I guess we take it as a compliment that they think they can't beat us with their own squad. Sparta you should do the same!

gimeemore wrote:There are a lot of strong words being used like "cheating" and "violation" being thrown aroun...and if anyone is still unclear of CPP, then read the rule book.  Although the CPP rule has been discussed to exhaustion on this forum, its probably here to stay.  Not a fan of it myself since I believe it has as many negative impacts as it does positive...but send your complaints to LH.  I seriously doubt they are taking notes on any of these threads.

not strong words, the truth. It's sanctioned cheating and its a disgrace that adults have stooped to cheating to win children's soccer games and those in charge are sanctioning it....

So tell me how the CPP is about Development?
LP Barnes brought 2 LP Elite players down to play with them today. One player played the whole game and yet they had a full roster of Barnes players so had no injuries. We played at 11am, LP Elite played at 11am.obviously the results don't matter to Elite as they will stay in 3rd in D1. If these are players not getting much playing time on Elite why didn't they stay and play with them. Any way you slice and dice it LP Barnes didn't need to CPP's so it's not about development it's about trying to get them a win. A win they can't get on their own! Game finished 2-2 with the Elite player scoring the games first goal. I just hope LP never use the word development on their web site because it's win at all costs!

Triumph FC wrote:So tell me how the CPP is about Development?
LP Barnes brought 2 LP Elite players down to play with them today. One player played the whole game and yet they had a full roster of Barnes players so had no injuries. We played at 11am, LP Elite played at 11am.obviously the results don't matter to Elite as they will stay in 3rd in D1. If these are players not getting much playing time on Elite why didn't they stay and play with them. Any way you slice and dice it LP Barnes didn't need to CPP's so it's not about development it's about trying to get them a win. A win they can't get on their own! Game finished 2-2 with the Elite player scoring the games first goal. I just hope LP never use the word development on their web site because it's win at all costs!

Are you 100% certain LP Elite 03 brought players to play with Barnes today? Your accusations sound somewhat biased. Are you sure??

I've always know Triumph FC to be the complainer of all whiners.

I know exactly where they came from because we asked them!
My deal is with LP and the authorities to explain how this is about the development of the players?
It would be a whine if we lost but we didn't

Triumph FC wrote:I know exactly where they came from because we asked them!
My deal is with LP and the authorities to explain how this is about the development of the players?
It would be a whine if we lost but we didn't

03 Elite or 04 Elite?? Are you sure??

LP Elite 03 had a full roster today. So, either their players played 2 games today which isnt allowed, or they pulled from a diff team for one of the games today. As Joe mentions, maybe the 04 team which is done for the first half of the season.

Like I said don't let me hear the word development!

Triumph FC,

I feel your pain, really! If it was 04 CP players, I just had this conversation with a friend. Bringing up 04 players from strong teams like RASE is not much better then bringing down 03 players from SRSA 02 teams. If it was done in the true spirit of development, there is a little more (not much) civility to it, since LH D2-03 teams can in most cases compete against 04’s. But that is not always the case, especially when you have SRSA or RASE type teams and you are bringing D1 talent into lower talent division (D2, D3) league play. If the CPP rule were to remain in place at all, it should be modified to restrict any team from CPP'ing players from higher talent divisions to lower talent divisions, regardless of age bracket, (03 or 04 in this case).  If the developmental purposes of a rule like CPP can be abused, it will.

Personally, I and it seams a whole lot of others, think you should play with the team you qualified with. Imagine that - Now thats an original concept!! I would rather see an increase in the roster limit, (say 18 like in U14), rather then bringing on superior talent, (03 or 04), just to win games. Developing players would get more competitive practice/ game time and game time would increase as they contribute more. The fairness doctrin would then be in place for all teams in the league and the players/parents know what they are getting into. At the same time, a true development path would also be in place for players with above average potential.  

Why have qualification tournaments when after the tournament is over, the teams can change by however many CP players you can stack the team with each game.  MONEY, MONEY MONEY

Silent parent said it well, it is just sanctioned cheating.

Actually if the players in question were from the 04 division playing up in the 03's I have zero problems with that scenario. I don't care if they came from one of the top teams or not, DII 03 is a step up in competition and is good for development. Plus LP is going to drop from DII and one game is not going to change that so quit your bitching.

So I guess those 03 LP Elite girls were running back and forth from field 4 and Field 8 so they could play in both games at the same time. You know how hard it was to verify that information, I simply looked at the schedules to see they were both playing at the same time. What a moron.

Yes. And LP Elite 03 had a full roster. So, either the 03's also used CPP, or LP Barnes used 04's. If the 04's played up, kudo's to them. That is a prime example of what CPP should be used for.

After the players telling me they play for Elite I have since found out they do not play for Elite 03's or any LP 04 team. The point I was making is there is no development on Barnes if they are having to use CPP players to try to win. Why not just use the old fashioned way of developing what you have

Correct me if I am wrong, but any CPP players used by your opponent will be clearly designated on the game card that you or your manager had to print out from GotSoccer and give to the referee on game day.  It's been a couple of years for me, but when I had to print out game cards, they had the DOB for every player on each team's roster listed.

So you should have the names and DOB of the CPP players that were used by your opponent in that game.  Have you tried contacting your age group commissioner at LHGCL to ask them if they could provide information on which NTSSA roster those CPP players are assigned to?  If so, was the age group commissioner helpful?

They provide id name and DOB. I KNOW exactly where they came from and that's for me to know. My whole point is develop what you have not bring in players to help you try and win.

Triumph FC wrote:They provide id name and DOB. I KNOW exactly where they came from and that's for me to know. My whole point is develop what you have not bring in players to help you try and win.

And that should hold true in every age group, right?

Triumph FC wrote:So tell me how the CPP is about Development?
LP Barnes brought 2 LP Elite players down to play with them today. One player played the whole game and yet they had a full roster of Barnes players so had no injuries. We played at 11am, LP Elite played at 11am.obviously the results don't matter to Elite as they will stay in 3rd in D1. If these are players not getting much playing time on Elite why didn't they stay and play with them. Any way you slice and dice it LP Barnes didn't need to CPP's so it's not about development it's about trying to get them a win. A win they can't get on their own! Game finished 2-2 with the Elite player scoring the games first goal. I just hope LP never use the word development on their web site because it's win at all costs!

Triumph FC wrote:After the players telling me they play for Elite I have since found out they do not play for Elite 03's or any LP 04 team. The point I was making is there is no development on Barnes if they are having to use CPP players to try to win. Why not just use the old fashioned way of developing what you have

Triumph FC wrote:They provide id name and DOB. I KNOW exactly where they came from and that's for me to know. My whole point is develop what you have not bring in players to help you try and win.

Your backtracking on this thread is not making you look good coach, and not helping you to make your point.  Next time, you might want to have your facts verified before coming on here to rant.

CPP clearly is an emotional topic to many, but emotion won't bring about effective change.  It will be accomplish through reasoned dialogue backed by facts, as opposed to emotional rants backed by speculation and insinuation.

They had told us after the game they were Elite players. No paperwork is given to the opposition coach which help find out exactly where they came from. My thought is why would players lie unless they had something to hide. I was contacted by LP who told me they were not Elite players so I asked questions given the information we had and was told Sunday morning exactly who they play for. I didn't have to admit that but they do not play on the 03 or 04 Elite team as they told me. Paperwork would help but we as coaches get nothing!

the real question is why LP Barnes choose to sit their regular players and give their minutes to other kids not on the team. And surprise!, LP Barnes is in big relegation danger...

...and as a Coach and official club representative for Triumph FC, did you contact the opposing coach from LP, or the DOC from LP, to get their input on why they felt bringing in those CPP players was about development? Or did you just decide to call them out publicly on the forum without doing that first?

bwgophers wrote:...and as a Coach and official club representative for Triumph FC, did you contact the opposing coach from LP, or the DOC from LP, to get their input on why they felt bringing in those CPP players was about development?  Or did you just decide to call them out publicly on the forum without doing that first?

lol, he called out people gaming the system to avoid possible relegation, good for him! only the most obtuse or cynically naive would think that players are called up to play the whole game for "development"..no one believes in the nero game that srsa girls need to play in d3 for "development"....

If he wants to attract parents like you to his club and team, then he clearly did the right thing.

However, I'm suggesting that, just maybe, in the bigger picture, that as a coach and representive for his club, that his calling out the opposing team, coach, and club, based on what a couple of 10-11 yr old girls said to him, then backtracking and refusing to providing the full accurate details once he got the facts, might actually hurt his and his club's reputation and ability to attract talent to develop in the future.

bwgophers wrote:If he wants to attract parents like you to his club and team, then he clearly did the right thing.

However, I'm suggesting that, just maybe, in the bigger picture, that as a coach and representive for his club, that his calling out the opposing team, coach, and club, based on what a couple of 10-11 yr old girls said to him, then backtracking and refusing to providing the full accurate details once he got the facts, might actually hurt his and his club's reputation and ability to attract talent to develop in the future.

yet you say nothing about barnes attracting talent with using ringers to help them avoid relegation.....very interesting your value system...i would be interested when looking for a team if the coach was against using ringers to help him win at the expense of his regular girls, so guilty as charged and plenty more people would too i bet...

btw answer me gophers, how does playing in d3 help srsa girls development? you skipped over that....

Since we don't know where the "ringers" came from... we don't know they were even brought in. For all we know they came from the Elite Diva's from the local YMCA.

jsullivan81 wrote:Since we don't know where the "ringers" came from... we don't know they were even brought in. For all we know they came from the Elite Diva's from the local YMCA.

Oh course you know your statement can't be true because you have to use the CPP to have players play for Barnes they have to be in the LP system. Where they came from is not the issue

silentparent wrote:

bwgophers wrote:If he wants to attract parents like you to his club and team, then he clearly did the right thing.

However, I'm suggesting that, just maybe, in the bigger picture, that as a coach and representive for his club, that his calling out the opposing team, coach, and club, based on what a couple of 10-11 yr old girls said to him, then backtracking and refusing to providing the full accurate details once he got the facts, might actually hurt his and his club's reputation and ability to attract talent to develop in the future.

yet you say nothing about barnes attracting talent with using ringers to help them avoid relegation.....very interesting your value system...i would be interested when looking for a team if the coach was against using ringers to help him win at the expense of his regular girls, so guilty as charged and plenty more people would too i bet...

btw answer me gophers, how does playing in d3 help srsa girls development? you skipped over that....

I've publicly declared my stance on CPP multiple times on this forum so I'm not going to rehash it. I am neither defending SRSA '03 and LP for their use of CPP, nor am I accusing them of anything nefarious or unethical for their use of CPP, because I do not know the facts of either case.

If you want to come on here as a parent and rant about CPP without anyone knowing your team/club affiliation, that's one thing, and carries one set of potential consequences.

If you want to come here and identify yourself as a coach and use your club's name to identify yourself on the forum, call out one of your opponents, and do so without first getting your facts straight, that carries a completely different set of potential consequences, and I'm just trying to make Triumph aware of that, and suggest that he may want to take a different path in the future.

You never spoke to either player because they are my players and I took them both to the game and they came and left with me. Those who know my handle know what team they play for. That's all I'll say. They deserved the experience of playing in Classic d-2 and I'm grateful that they were given a chance to play at that level. Triumph is a great team they played well. All I ask is that you please not say that my players lied about playing on 03 Elite because they did not say that. They are just two great kids who wanted to see if they were ready to play at the next level.