Landscape changes with ECNL?

go99 wrote:okay enough of the look how great our DD's are and others shouldn't even dare to attempt to step into the ECNL world.  Yes many inside the clubs have been identified so if your DD is out at the "tryout" for her club and she hasn't been told anything then they are "trying out" for her replacement.  And it's not a diamond in the rough.  There are many kids on lower teams who are better individual players.  Some show despite their teams and others may not.  As the game itself gets better, the ability to dominate by athleticism alone starts to end and the need for actual (skilled) soccer players increase. So being on a "top" team doesn't mean that your kid is a "top" player.  I know a girl from a D3 team that was offered a spot on a ECNL team a year ago.  She turned it down because her dad told her if she went she would then have to work hard and she said she really just wanted to have fun playing soccer.  So great for all those trying out and yes it is a tryout.  Hope the girls give it their best and ignore the people trying to scare away the competition.  If your DD feels like she wants to be a top level player take her out to ECNL tryouts.  Solca at least is a fair person and a good judge of talent.  She either makes the team or knows what she needs to work on and compete against.  A true player cannot be afraid of "NO"

I will say for all of the internet confidence about solar ECNL tryouts, I sure did see alot of nervous parent faces.  You could feel the tension in the building last night.  It was hilarious

go99 wrote:The "benches" won't just show up and start, not because development matters.  It's because they are not as good.  If the bench player is better than texans or feet player then there will be a spot.  NOBODY is looking at TEAMS or RANKINGS.  You are a product of YOURSELF not your team.  Talent, skill, athleticism, all matter to coaches.  Magic gel, rank, team accomplishments do not.

go99 wrote:The "benches" won't just show up and start, not because development matters.  It's because they are not as good.  If the bench player is better than texans or feet player then there will be a spot.  NOBODY is looking at TEAMS or RANKINGS.  You are a product of YOURSELF not your team.  Talent, skill, athleticism, all matter to coaches.  Magic gel, rank, team accomplishments do not.

futbollove wrote:

go99 wrote:okay enough of the look how great our DD's are and others shouldn't even dare to attempt to step into the ECNL world.  Yes many inside the clubs have been identified so if your DD is out at the "tryout" for her club and she hasn't been told anything then they are "trying out" for her replacement.  And it's not a diamond in the rough.  There are many kids on lower teams who are better individual players.  Some show despite their teams and others may not.  As the game itself gets better, the ability to dominate by athleticism alone starts to end and the need for actual (skilled) soccer players increase. So being on a "top" team doesn't mean that your kid is a "top" player.  I know a girl from a D3 team that was offered a spot on a ECNL team a year ago.  She turned it down because her dad told her if she went she would then have to work hard and she said she really just wanted to have fun playing soccer.  So great for all those trying out and yes it is a tryout.  Hope the girls give it their best and ignore the people trying to scare away the competition.  If your DD feels like she wants to be a top level player take her out to ECNL tryouts.  Solca at least is a fair person and a good judge of talent.  She either makes the team or knows what she needs to work on and compete against.  A true player cannot be afraid of "NO"

bigtex wrote:

futbollove wrote:

go99 wrote:okay enough of the look how great our DD's are and others shouldn't even dare to attempt to step into the ECNL world.  Yes many inside the clubs have been identified so if your DD is out at the "tryout" for her club and she hasn't been told anything then they are "trying out" for her replacement.  And it's not a diamond in the rough.  There are many kids on lower teams who are better individual players.  Some show despite their teams and others may not.  As the game itself gets better, the ability to dominate by athleticism alone starts to end and the need for actual (skilled) soccer players increase. So being on a "top" team doesn't mean that your kid is a "top" player.  I know a girl from a D3 team that was offered a spot on a ECNL team a year ago.  She turned it down because her dad told her if she went she would then have to work hard and she said she really just wanted to have fun playing soccer.  So great for all those trying out and yes it is a tryout.  Hope the girls give it their best and ignore the people trying to scare away the competition.  If your DD feels like she wants to be a top level player take her out to ECNL tryouts.  Solca at least is a fair person and a good judge of talent.  She either makes the team or knows what she needs to work on and compete against.  A true player cannot be afraid of "NO"

I am really glad to see the tone of this thread changed.  I honestly was amazed at some of the posts almost mocking weaker players/parents from attending “OPEN” try-outs. I have to wonder what message these parents/grandparents are sending the kids?  

Are we so protective of our kids that we only let them try out for things we know they can make?  Should we try to limit the goals/dreams of our kids because they may not achieve them?  

My daughter knows she has an uphill battle to make an ECNL roster, but she wants to give it her best shot just the same.

As my daughter told me before she started ECNL try-outs Dad I know it's a long shot but I really want to  to make ECNL.  She said worst case they tell me NO, but I still had a chance to get better competing against the best players and best case I make it, so what do I have to lose.  I have to say that was a very proud moment for her mother and I and whether or not she makes it to ECNL  she has already won in our book.

And I have to say I am starting to see a return on some of those $ I have been directing toward NTX soccer.  I never expected a $ return in the way of scholarships etc.  The return I am seeing is a tough minded daughter who isn’t afraid of tough competition who is hardworking and never gives up.  Isn’t this what we want our kids learning, so why then are we surprised when a lot of players show up to an ECNL OPEN try-out  

Sho'nuff wrote: +4

bigtex wrote:

futbollove wrote:

go99 wrote:okay enough of the look how great our DD's are and others shouldn't even dare to attempt to step into the ECNL world.  Yes many inside the clubs have been identified so if your DD is out at the "tryout" for her club and she hasn't been told anything then they are "trying out" for her replacement.  And it's not a diamond in the rough.  There are many kids on lower teams who are better individual players.  Some show despite their teams and others may not.  As the game itself gets better, the ability to dominate by athleticism alone starts to end and the need for actual (skilled) soccer players increase. So being on a "top" team doesn't mean that your kid is a "top" player.  I know a girl from a D3 team that was offered a spot on a ECNL team a year ago.  She turned it down because her dad told her if she went she would then have to work hard and she said she really just wanted to have fun playing soccer.  So great for all those trying out and yes it is a tryout.  Hope the girls give it their best and ignore the people trying to scare away the competition.  If your DD feels like she wants to be a top level player take her out to ECNL tryouts.  Solca at least is a fair person and a good judge of talent.  She either makes the team or knows what she needs to work on and compete against.  A true player cannot be afraid of "NO"

I am really glad to see the tone of this thread changed.  I honestly was amazed at some of the posts almost mocking weaker players/parents from attending “OPEN” try-outs. I have to wonder what message these parents/grandparents are sending the kids?  

Are we so protective of our kids that we only let them try out for things we know they can make?  Should we try to limit the goals/dreams of our kids because they may not achieve them?  

My daughter knows she has an uphill battle to make an ECNL roster, but she wants to give it her best shot just the same.

As my daughter told me before she started ECNL try-outs Dad I know it's a long shot but I really want to  to make ECNL.  She said worst case they tell me NO, but I still had a chance to get better competing against the best players and best case I make it, so what do I have to lose.  I have to say that was a very proud moment for her mother and I and whether or not she makes it to ECNL  she has already won in our book.

And I have to say I am starting to see a return on some of those $ I have been directing toward NTX soccer.  I never expected a $ return in the way of scholarships etc.  The return I am seeing is a tough minded daughter who isn’t afraid of tough competition who is hardworking and never gives up.  Isn’t this what we want our kids learning, so why then are we surprised when a lot of players show up to an ECNL OPEN try-out  

Used2bKix wrote:Go isn't embelishing either, it looked like parents were in the hospital family area waiting to hear the outcome of a surgery. American Idol audition atmosphere.

sccrprntsrcrazy wrote:

Used2bKix wrote:Go isn't embelishing either, it looked like parents were in the hospital family area waiting to hear the outcome of a surgery. American Idol audition atmosphere.

Well I'm sure they where just nervous on how much $$ or dinners there about to have to shell out to AS to keep there kid on the team, everyone know's AS loves to be pampered its a sure way to get your get ahead.

skynet wrote:

sccrprntsrcrazy wrote:

Used2bKix wrote:Go isn't embelishing either, it looked like parents were in the hospital family area waiting to hear the outcome of a surgery. American Idol audition atmosphere.

Well I'm sure they where just nervous on how much $$ or dinners there about to have to shell out to AS to keep there kid on the team, everyone know's AS loves to be pampered its a sure way to get your get ahead.

I'm sure all coaches enjoy nice dinners. Get Real. We all would  like to be the few that have our daughters be included in the top ECNL programs just like the parents of singers for American Idol or The Voice would like to be included in those programs. Your analogy is perfect! Wouldn't we all want this for our kids.  I don't think that the same atmosphere exists at the noted lessor ECNL tryouts. The potential is not there.

http://youthsoccerrankings.us

This website tells the story;  Top programs/coaches offer the most potential. Why wouldn't any of us want to have our daughters be part of these top programs.  Food for thought:  Based upon the rankings, wouldn't The Fever United Team be better served to (as an entire group) move to the D'Feeters or merge with the Texans to make a better team? I have to wonder if that call has happened.  Hell, based upon the rankings,  D'Feeters would love to have the entire Sting Brown team to propel it's self.  

go99 wrote:I am sure all coaches like good dinners. They just don't all take them as bribes from parents. It's pretty pathetic if a parent offers but even worse for the coach that takes it. Soccer belongs to the kid and its important for the kid to know that what they have they have earned. Not been given by some shady backroom deal of their parents

skynet wrote:

go99 wrote:I am sure all coaches like good dinners. They just don't all take them as bribes from parents. It's pretty pathetic if a parent offers but even worse for the coach that takes it. Soccer belongs to the kid and its important for the kid to know that what they have they have earned. Not been given by some shady backroom deal of their parents

Can you offer a specific situation where a "bribe" has resulted in a player landing on a team where the player clearly had no chance to be on that team based upon merit? Winning is too important.  But adding a player to fill a roster could happen.  But why would a parent want to be on a team where their player only trains to sit the bench and possible not even dress for a game?  Seems like a stretch.

I call B.S.

I love snow days!

go99 wrote:

skynet wrote:

go99 wrote:I am sure all coaches like good dinners. They just don't all take them as bribes from parents. It's pretty pathetic if a parent offers but even worse for the coach that takes it. Soccer belongs to the kid and its important for the kid to know that what they have they have earned. Not been given by some shady backroom deal of their parents

Can you offer a specific situation where a "bribe" has resulted in a player landing on a team where the player clearly had no chance to be on that team based upon merit? Winning is too important.  But adding a player to fill a roster could happen.  But why would a parent want to be on a team where their player only trains to sit the bench and possible not even dress for a game?  Seems like a stretch.

I call B.S.

I love snow days!

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I never suggested that AS did.  Go back and read the thread.  Someone else suggested it.  But yes I have seen kids on the field playing because of contributions.  Rather that be cash, drinks, dinners or moms putting in work.  Now I don't claim to know if AS is of that character but it does happen.