Re: JDL questions

by Uwon't 02/06/16, 10:20 am

Man, this is confusing! So the 10 teams cant play both JDL and LH D1 but can CPP with limitations. What does a scenario look like with lets say, Sting or defeeters. They really only have two LHD1 and/or JDL caliber teams for 06, I believe. I would think they choose JDL for competition reasons. So does that leave them out of qualifying for LHD1 and thus state cup? Solar seems to be in the drivers seat with red, black, blue, and white to be able to do both.

by Lakedad 02/06/16, 10:23 am

Uwon't wrote:Man, this is confusing! So the 10 teams cant play both JDL and LH D1 but can CPP with limitations. What does a scenario look like with lets say, Sting or defeeters. They really only have two LHD1 and/or JDL caliber teams for 06, I believe. I would think they choose JDL for competition reasons. So does that leave them out of qualifying for LHD1 and thus state cup? Solar seems to be in the drivers seat with red, black, blue, and white to be able to do both.

Now I'm starting to understand the whole D'Kicks partnership. That should help out that situation for that club throughout.

by AtThePitch 02/06/16, 10:24 am

What does State cup get you at U11? U12? How many ECNL teams do you see competing for state cup at u14, u15, u16, u17, u18...?

oh and DA starts in 2017 for girls... those players will not be doing State cup in any way shape or form... just check the boys side...

do you see a trend?

by Uwon't 02/06/16, 10:44 am

Got it, no LHD1/D3 for the 10 teams. So the whining this year for 06 parents will be that teams CPP'd a JDL player to LHD1. Sounds fun! BTW, Im just happy my DD's team now has a chance to make DIII, my status at the office will definitely improve.

by 46&2 02/06/16, 11:07 am

Anyone think all of this will be ironed out by July 1st? Ha!!!

by jogobonito06 02/06/16, 11:13 am

46&2 wrote:Anyone think all of this will be ironed out by July 1st? Ha!!!

What's to iron out? Just close your eyes, write a big check and put your faith in the Big 5!!!!

by Hodor 02/06/16, 11:17 am

46&2 wrote:Anyone think all of this will be ironed out by July 1st? Ha!!!

Hodor- it's all done. What is to iron out. Most of the talent has consolidated this month already.

by SkeetsG06 02/06/16, 11:25 am

Sorry I am late to the party, but I thought the JDL teams could also play LH if they desired. Is that not true?

by justchootit 02/06/16, 12:16 pm

From my very limited understanding JDL teams are not a fixed roster and kids could be switched in from any team in that club. Since this is for development.......switch kids out from week to week to find the best kids in each ecnl club.

by Hodor 02/06/16, 12:22 pm

Hodor believes the rosters are open between the 2 JDL teams but the LH rosters are fixed under NTX rules. They will all (LH and JDL) play on Saturday so you can't do both. Hodor is just a simple mind though so take it for what it's worth.

by Guest 02/06/16, 12:38 pm

AtThePitch wrote:BBBAAAAHHHH

Posters have complained for years that the super group of 20 teams was bad, and for a good number of teams it was... non competive games either way you looked at.

so now they are basically making a 10 team league, although limited to ECNL clubs only... the level of competition will rise, already has just by creating it.

The players that had been spread across many teams are now looking to consolidate. We have seen it at our team's practices already and I am sure we are not alone in that.

So the fact that my DD will line up next fall and every game will be highly competitive.... bbbbbbaaaaaahhh bbbbaaaaahhhhhh

dont really care what they call it or what the reason is for it, but mine will benefit from it plain and simple.

+1

by SD69 02/06/16, 12:51 pm

I know this is all about development and everything, but something about this makes me sad. The top two teams from the ECNL 5 will no longer have to go through the hell that is QT. Not saying that QT was great for development as some of the ugliest soccer I have seen happens in QT, but it is a trial by fire that does make the girls, win or lose, mentally stronger, more mature, and in most cases, closer to one another. Glad my DD was able to go through it once (but only once).

by Read_These_Nikes 02/06/16, 02:20 pm

If you think the JDL is all about development then you're sadly mistaken! SMH

by tropicthunder 02/06/16, 11:34 pm

Agreed!

by Vobaso 03/06/16, 07:16 am

If it is true that:

1. They're not keeping score
2. They're not ranking
3. They're only playing "top teams" each week for the same number of games as LHGCL
4. They can take risks without long term ramifications of losing games/ranking

What else is it about then if not for development? Spell it out for those of us who obviously can't see the obvious.

by FCT2016 03/06/16, 07:57 am

Vobaso wrote:If it is true that:

1. They're not keeping score
2. They're not ranking
3. They're only playing "top teams" each week for the same number of games as LHGCL
4. They can take risks without long term ramifications of losing games/ranking

What else is it about then if not for development? Spell it out for those of us who obviously can't see the obvious.

Exactly right. Time to change the NTX bs way of soccer development before Cali continuously kicks our asses.

by AngelinaGoalee 03/06/16, 08:00 am

There will be one coaching coming in flexing his teams athletic muscles to rack up none documented wins and disrupt the whole flow. Sad

by Lefty 03/06/16, 08:26 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:There will be one coaching coming in flexing his teams athletic muscles to rack up none documented wins and disrupt the whole flow.

Just one?

Thought that was the definition of what a coach is in NTX.

by AngelinaGoalee 03/06/16, 08:36 am

Lefty wrote:
AngelinaGoalee wrote:There will be one coaching coming in flexing his teams athletic muscles to rack up none documented wins and disrupt the whole flow.

Just one?

Thought that was the definition of what a coach is in NTX.

Not "all"
Just "some"

by 05DD 03/06/16, 09:26 am

AngelinaGoalee wrote:There will be one coaching coming in flexing his teams athletic muscles to rack up none documented wins and disrupt the whole flow.

Do tell.

by jogobonito06 03/06/16, 09:28 am

Vobaso wrote:If it is true that:

1. They're not keeping score
2. They're not ranking
3. They're only playing "top teams" each week for the same number of games as LHGCL
4. They can take risks without long term ramifications of losing games/ranking

What else is it about then if not for development? Spell it out for those of us who obviously can't see the obvious.

The problem in NTX is not that we keep score. It's that we don't have enough quality coaches who either don't know how or don't care to teach the game properly. It's not easy. It takes a certain skill set and loads of patience

Look around the coaching landscape in any age group. Many of the exact same coaches will be taking their teams into JDL. The fact that no standings are kept will instantly turn them into Pep Guardiola? Don't think so.

It's a very cleverly-designed tool to consolidate power in a format with fluid rosters. It's a good developmental coach's dream. It's also a great smokescreen for mediocrity. Build it and they will come

by Lefty 03/06/16, 09:37 am

I think we have way more than enough soccer coaches, but not nearly enough soccer teachers and trainers.

Most all the coaches measure their success on game outcome

by thunderlipz 03/06/16, 09:58 am

jogobonito06 wrote:
Vobaso wrote:If it is true that:

1. They're not keeping score
2. They're not ranking
3. They're only playing "top teams" each week for the same number of games as LHGCL
4. They can take risks without long term ramifications of losing games/ranking

What else is it about then if not for development? Spell it out for those of us who obviously can't see the obvious.

The problem in NTX is not that we keep score. It's that we don't have enough quality coaches who either don't know how or don't care to teach the game properly. It's not easy. It takes a certain skill set and loads of patience

Look around the coaching landscape in any age group. Many of the exact same coaches will be taking their teams into JDL. The fact that no standings are kept will instantly turn them into Pep Guardiola? Don't think so.

It's a very cleverly-designed tool to consolidate power in a format with fluid rosters. It's a good developmental coach's dream. It's also a great smokescreen for mediocrity. Build it and they will come

Best post I've seen on here yet.

Instead of coaches selling parents and players on how good or great they can teach the game? They are now simply selling the fact they will be the top team for said club in this new league. I'm sorry, but just because a coach says he or she has the top team, does not make he or she a great coach and teacher of the game. I hear parents all the time brag and talk about their kids playing or wanting to play for the top team. News flash folks, it doesn't matter! Finding a coach that can teach the game at a very high level right now should be the premium, not what league the team is playing in!!

by Guest 03/06/16, 10:03 am

jogobonito06 wrote:
Vobaso wrote:If it is true that:

1. They're not keeping score
2. They're not ranking
3. They're only playing "top teams" each week for the same number of games as LHGCL
4. They can take risks without long term ramifications of losing games/ranking

What else is it about then if not for development? Spell it out for those of us who obviously can't see the obvious.

The problem in NTX is not that we keep score. It's that we don't have enough quality coaches who either don't know how or don't care to teach the game properly. It's not easy. It takes a certain skill set and loads of patience

Look around the coaching landscape in any age group. Many of the exact same coaches will be taking their teams into JDL. The fact that no standings are kept will instantly turn them into Pep Guardiola? Don't think so.

It's a very cleverly-designed tool to consolidate power in a format with fluid rosters. It's a good developmental coach's dream. It's also a great smokescreen for mediocrity. Build it and they will come

All the way spot on.
Same training/coach + "New" League = Same Results
IMO....

The same team with same coach your daughters team played in TGPL on Sunday was the same team with same coach your daughters team played in SDL and PTCL on Saturday etc...
So whats new?

by miller287 03/06/16, 10:09 am

Does anyone have any facts on this new league

I see that the 5 clubs that are ECNL get to have 2 teams in this new higher than Division 1 league. but all for development league. ( which pretty much takes PPL div 1 up to div 3 LH).

10 teams is a good start. 9 games a season

Next thing I see advertised is that these will be standard roster teams--
Not a fluid roster that can be changed out with any player in the club week to week

So I am assuming... these players will be under the same CPP rules and be a separate division. Also LH has a good rule of one team per day.

any info would be helpful about this league

by Guest 03/06/16, 10:11 am

you want to try and fix US soccer?
lets try and get a QA team to anonymously monitor these coaches and their training/practices and maybe games and if they dont meet the standards set or curriculum suggested or even have certain licenses...they get dinged and the club has to pay a decent fine. Accountability is missing.

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