let your players rest!

Zizou wrote:

kick_tha_ball wrote:

Zizou wrote:Playing young athletes year round with no time off is not development. I would not put winning and QT's in the top three of development. With age pure, tryouts and QT dates should change. LHGCL is not the gold standard anymore. Why do we punish our players in the heat for a crappy league?

Yet you pay for your DD to play there. You don't have to ya know. Apparently you know of better options so.....

Then go play rec.

Lol, LHGCL is rec.

Zizou wrote:

kick_tha_ball wrote:

Zizou wrote:Playing young athletes year round with no time off is not development. I would not put winning and QT's in the top three of development. With age pure, tryouts and QT dates should change. LHGCL is not the gold standard anymore. Why do we punish our players in the heat for a crappy league?

Then go play rec.

Lol, LHGCL is rec.

dadof3 wrote:Only NTX soccer parents will pay the $49.95 when the forum is free

CBTeamworks wrote:4-3-3 I think it'll take a few generations to educate the parents since most grew up playing basketball, football and baseball rather than soccer.

Even when parents are given the information they make choices that favor league status over development.

bwgophers wrote:...and all this time, I thought parent ignorance started with me...

soccerjack wrote:

CBTeamworks wrote:4-3-3 I think it'll take a few generations to educate the parents since most grew up playing basketball, football and baseball rather than soccer.

Even when parents are given the information they make choices that favor league status over development.

No offense... But a lot of coaches ....clubs also....hide behind the ...it's all about development stuff and charge the same amount without development or results. I really don't think a coach without a track record should be compensated for a .....say division 4 ppl team, as a coach that is consistently in lh and has earnd a good reputation from results. This imo is a bigger problem.  This is where the money grab and parent ignorance starts.

Zizou wrote:Regulation and control

soccerjack wrote:

bwgophers wrote:...and all this time, I thought parent ignorance started with me...

Believe me we helped..... trying to be loyal and keep the team together..:.mostly being shamed by a coach more concerned about keeping the money Rollin than development.

newbiefornow wrote:My very Newbie opinion based on one kid and still on the journey.

In order to develop a Soccer Athlete to their full potential at the top of the sport you would need to:

1. Find  and stick with a club and a coach that resonates with your daughter’s style and temperament enough for them to look forward to practice three times a week and to playing

2. Find a team that is competitive and has a style that fits your daughters play and position well enough for them to be effective and have opportunities to engage and to enjoy their game time

3. Practice and play Futsal sufficiently competitively and often enough to learn close ball control and speed of reaction in tight environments

4. Have individual skills training with a coach that is empathetic and can develop specific skills for your daughter as well as their mental development in attitude and acuity.

5. Regular Speed Agility and Quickness (SAQ) training that is aligned with Soccer training but in addition to it so that they develop specific athletic technique and strength

6. Camps that allow your daughter to work with other players outside the club and experience other coaching styles that give her additional insight into her game and the game in general

7. Opportunities to watch and engage with professional games by teams and with players your daughter identifies with and wishes to emulate

That’s a lot to ask and it’s expensive. There is so much to get right that an outcome from just a coach and a team is probably going to be difficult. You kind of have to calibrate your expectations around your investment and it’s certainly not for everyone. In my opinion the DA is saying no to High school sports because if you’re doing everything they expect then you’re just risking injury by trying to do more.  There’s the “small” matter of academics and balance in all of that. Taking a couple of weeks off makes sense and coaches want time off. They deserve it and so does your DD.  The money you pay, pays for a coaches time, tournament fees and club infrastructure. It's an important foundation but not the only factor for "success" depending on how you measure it. Another way to do that is, does your daughter love the game, is she fit and will she want to play it in College and stop there. That's cheaper and probably better...

newbiefornow wrote:My very Newbie opinion based on one kid and still on the journey.

In order to develop a Soccer Athlete to their full potential at the top of the sport you would need to:

1. Find  and stick with a club and a coach that resonates with your daughter’s style and temperament enough for them to look forward to practice three times a week and to playing

2. Find a team that is competitive and has a style that fits your daughters play and position well enough for them to be effective and have opportunities to engage and to enjoy their game time

3. Practice and play Futsal sufficiently competitively and often enough to learn close ball control and speed of reaction in tight environments

4. Have individual skills training with a coach that is empathetic and can develop specific skills for your daughter as well as their mental development in attitude and acuity.

5. Regular Speed Agility and Quickness (SAQ) training that is aligned with Soccer training but in addition to it so that they develop specific athletic technique and strength

6. Camps that allow your daughter to work with other players outside the club and experience other coaching styles that give her additional insight into her game and the game in general

7. Opportunities to watch and engage with professional games by teams and with players your daughter identifies with and wishes to emulate

That’s a lot to ask and it’s expensive. There is so much to get right that an outcome from just a coach and a team is probably going to be difficult. You kind of have to calibrate your expectations around your investment and it’s certainly not for everyone. In my opinion the DA is saying no to High school sports because if you’re doing everything they expect then you’re just risking injury by trying to do more.  There’s the “small” matter of academics and balance in all of that. Taking a couple of weeks off makes sense and coaches want time off. They deserve it and so does your DD.  The money you pay, pays for a coaches time, tournament fees and club infrastructure. It's an important foundation but not the only factor for "success" depending on how you measure it. Another way to do that is, does your daughter love the game, is she fit and will she want to play it in College and stop there. That's cheaper and probably better...

Teufel Hunden wrote:The list is fantastic!! I will try to not deviating too much from the main topic (Let players rest!!); I think that the list brings up to light in a general context what is needed to really become, in this case a soccer athlete. As it is stated in this thread and others, it is not for everyone, hence the existence of many levels of play from REC to ECNL and soon DA. The discipline and commitment requirements in many cases are not well understood by players and families and commitments rise as the competition rises.

We can always discuss which coaches develop and which don't, and what coach is successful by recruiting the right players and cutting less performing players. However, like most things in life, you need to do your part and not solely rely on your coach. The belief that you will become a standout player in this era with only practicing 2 or 3 times a week are very slim if the goal is to participate at the highest level of play possible. There is a point where it is no longer to "play", it is to "compete". In order to compete, the player needs to dedicate more time on getting ready to "compete" at every drill of every practice. How do you do that? In a general sense, follow the list.

As I mentioned earlier, this list has the potential to branch out into many other subjects such as time, money, whether it is worth it, overwork, wanting to play multiple sports, etc. And these may be discussed, but that it is why it is not for everyone. This not only applies to soccer, it applies to all other sports at the higher levels.

The supporting activities that the list reflects such as futsal (and other forms of soccer training), performance based training (speed and agility. plyometrics and yoga training to name a few) are regular scheduled activities on top of the club soccer training sessions. It is a hard pill to swallow but it is not a secret. It is not hard to find out who is doing what to improve. Just visit some of the establishments that offer performance based training and other places that offer private  / group soccer clinics and you will find many players mostly from the top teams / clubs getting additional training. If you talk to any of them, you will also find out that they have been doing extra supporting work for several years (of course depending on the age of the player) which will explain why these players have improved and keep improving their play.

So as far as taking time off, it is imperative that time is programed for your soccer athlete. Every player has different needs and objectives therefore it is done on an individual basis.

The most important is whether your soccer player / athlete wants the commitment or not. If the goal is to play at the highest possible level, the player needs to commit to work beyond what it is required to excel, but I am sure you already know that because it is applicable to most things in life.

soccerjack wrote:

Teufel Hunden wrote:The list is fantastic!! I will try to not deviating too much from the main topic (Let players rest!!); I think that the list brings up to light in a general context what is needed to really become, in this case a soccer athlete. As it is stated in this thread and others, it is not for everyone, hence the existence of many levels of play from REC to ECNL and soon DA. The discipline and commitment requirements in many cases are not well understood by players and families and commitments rise as the competition rises.

We can always discuss which coaches develop and which don't, and what coach is successful by recruiting the right players and cutting less performing players. However, like most things in life, you need to do your part and not solely rely on your coach. The belief that you will become a standout player in this era with only practicing 2 or 3 times a week are very slim if the goal is to participate at the highest level of play possible. There is a point where it is no longer to "play", it is to "compete". In order to compete, the player needs to dedicate more time on getting ready to "compete" at every drill of every practice. How do you do that? In a general sense, follow the list.

As I mentioned earlier, this list has the potential to branch out into many other subjects such as time, money, whether it is worth it, overwork, wanting to play multiple sports, etc. And these may be discussed, but that it is why it is not for everyone. This not only applies to soccer, it applies to all other sports at the higher levels.

The supporting activities that the list reflects such as futsal (and other forms of soccer training), performance based training (speed and agility. plyometrics and yoga training to name a few) are regular scheduled activities on top of the club soccer training sessions. It is a hard pill to swallow but it is not a secret. It is not hard to find out who is doing what to improve. Just visit some of the establishments that offer performance based training and other places that offer private  / group soccer clinics and you will find many players mostly from the top teams / clubs getting additional training. If you talk to any of them, you will also find out that they have been doing extra supporting work for several years (of course depending on the age of the player) which will explain why these players have improved and keep improving their play.

So as far as taking time off, it is imperative that time is programed for your soccer athlete. Every player has different needs and objectives therefore it is done on an individual basis.

The most important is whether your soccer player / athlete wants the commitment or not. If the goal is to play at the highest possible level, the player needs to commit to work beyond what it is required to excel, but I am sure you already know that because it is applicable to most things in life.

Can someone send the cliffs notes on this?

bwgophers wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Can someone send the cliffs notes on this?