DA, ECNL, LH Solution

It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX. ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4. The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools. D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

bwgophers wrote:It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX.  ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4.  The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools.  D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

Man I would love to take you up on that 3-5. However, I feel that if we are still poking around in this forum at that time there are more frightening issues that need to be addressed.

bwgophers wrote:It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX.  ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4.  The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools.  D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

The boys have not had this problem, why do you anticipate the girls having less elite players?

Sho'Nuff wrote:

bwgophers wrote:It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX.  ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4.  The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools.  D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

The boys have not had this problem, why do you anticipate the girls having less elite players?

I don't pay much attention to the boys' side, but aren't there only 3 boys' DA clubs?  Looks like only FCD will make the playoffs (in both age brackets).  Obviously they are all playing stiff competition, but it looks like even on the boys side, 2 clubs would be better than 3.  Happy to be schooled about the boys.  I admittedly don't know much about the boys DA.

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:Then it is a easy decision for your family. LHGCL is the place for your DD. Don't worry be happy.

Thats the answer I thought I would receive from you.  Because you are not very smart, just an observation.  Never said that DA wasn't a good idea, just not the only path.  You seem too closed minded to be intelligent. If you do not make national team as a DA player, what do you do?  You will be able to have your pick of D1 schools but the DA is the path to NT.  Period.  Are there outliers? yes.    

Well I don't believe I will be asking you for any advice nor making any betting decisions. ECNL, and maybe DA are set up to showcase our athletes talents to the nation. The records speak for themselves. Go ahead do the math and see where if you are going to pay where might be the best place to put your money.

Sho'Nuff wrote:

bwgophers wrote:It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX.  ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4.  The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools.  D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

The boys have not had this problem, why do you anticipate the girls having less elite players?

1) Correct me if I am wrong, but NTX had 4 Boys DA clubs, but was unable to sustain that and is now down to 3.
2) In addition to USMNT, and College opportunities, boys have viable professional league opportunities that the girls don't
3) When Boys DA was established, there was no equivalent of ECNL already in place and well established. Sorry, but PL/NL doesn't compare to what ECNL is today on the Girls side.
4) Get your slings and arrows ready, but boys and girls are generally wired differently. I do think there will be a higher likelihood that girls will choose to stay with ECNL with it's somewhat lower commitment level and ability to participate in HS sports and have a little additional free time outside of the soccer world for other things.

These are my opinions, and in some cases, outright guesses. Let's come back to this in 3-5 years to see if I was wrong, it won't be the first time...

bwgophers wrote:

Sho'Nuff wrote:

bwgophers wrote:It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX.  ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4.  The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools.  D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

The boys have not had this problem, why do you anticipate the girls having less elite players?

1)  Correct me if I am wrong, but NTX had 4 Boys DA clubs, but was unable to sustain that and is now down to 3.
2)  In addition to USMNT, and College opportunities, boys have viable professional league opportunities that the girls don't
3)  When Boys DA was established, there was no equivalent of ECNL already in place and well established.  Sorry, but PL/NL doesn't compare to what ECNL is today on the Girls side.
4)  Get your slings and arrows ready, but boys and girls are generally wired differently.  I do think there will be a higher likelihood that girls will choose to stay with ECNL with it's somewhat lower commitment level and ability to participate in HS sports and have a little additional free time outside of the soccer world for other things.

These are my opinions, and in some cases, outright guesses.  Let's come back to this in 3-5 years to see if I was wrong, it won't be the first time...

BW, I'll go on record with you.  I would add that, aside from FCD, I don't see the financial backing from the clubs that don't have the MLS/NWSL connection.

Correct, zero benefit to club owners to foot the bill.

Someone give me the Cliff's notes on Andromeda losing their DA program. I was under the impression it wasn't attrition.

Sho'Nuff wrote:Someone give me the Cliff's notes on Andromeda losing their DA program.  I was under the impression it wasn't attrition.

So why hasn't another NTX club stepped up and claimed a DA spot?

bwgophers wrote:

Sho'Nuff wrote:Someone give me the Cliff's notes on Andromeda losing their DA program.  I was under the impression it wasn't attrition.

So why hasn't another NTX club stepped up and claimed a DA spot?

I'm sold. I would still like to get those Cliffs notes, though.

Sho'Nuff wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

Sho'Nuff wrote:Someone give me the Cliff's notes on Andromeda losing their DA program.  I was under the impression it wasn't attrition.

So why hasn't another NTX club stepped up and claimed a DA spot?

I'm sold.  I would still like to get those Cliffs notes, though.

Doesn't really answer the question, but see this: http://www.txsoccer.info/t13031-andromeda-are-out-of-ussf-academy-next-season

I think they were always near the bottom of the rankings, but lack of finances might have been the ultimate nail in the coffin.

Just a little tidbit for you guys ...

The USSDA is giving some discretion to the Girl's DA clubs in allowing them to make the decision as to whether or not the ladies can participate in school sports. It's not a 'hard and fast' rule ... Very grey.

I do know that FCD will be allowing the DA U14s (and possible U13s if that comes together) to participate in MS sports next year but not allowing the older groups to participate in HS sports. Solar has yet to make a final decision.

Happy birthday big e, hope it's a great one.

I tend to lean toward BW's take on the situation. I think some very talented girls will jump to DA, I also think some less talented girls that are not happy with their High School situations will be on DA rosters. For those girls at Coppell, Marcus, Allen, South Lake, etc... I think a lot of them enjoy the relaxed atmosphere of high school and will choose ECNL/HighSchool. I know mine has already ruled out DA because of the level of committment and conflict with HS...

bwgophers wrote:

Sho'Nuff wrote:

bwgophers wrote:It's going to be interesting to watch over the next few years.

I personally have my doubts that there will be enough of the "Elite" or "Very Good" female players in NTX, who are willing to make the level of commitment that the DA will require, to sustain DA teams at 4 clubs to the quality standard that USSF will want AND the financial standards that the clubs will want.

My personal guess (and that's really all it is), is that in 2-3 years, DA will contract to 2 clubs in NTX.  ECNL will remain very relevant in NTX, although I would also not be surprised to see the # of NTX ECNL clubs drop to 3-4.  The overall level of play in ECNL will drop a bit, probably somewhere about 1/2 way between the current ECNL level of play and the current level of play in LHGCL.

My prediction is that the # of NTX girls going to D1 schools from DA vs ECNL will probably be close to equal, with DA possibly having a slight, but not major advantage in Power 5 schools.  D1 scholarships for girls coming out of LHGCL will become rare.

Again, mark this post, come back in 3-5 years, and see if I was wrong.

The boys have not had this problem, why do you anticipate the girls having less elite players?

1)  Correct me if I am wrong, but NTX had 4 Boys DA clubs, but was unable to sustain that and is now down to 3.
2)  In addition to USMNT, and College opportunities, boys have viable professional league opportunities that the girls don't
3)  When Boys DA was established, there was no equivalent of ECNL already in place and well established.  Sorry, but PL/NL doesn't compare to what ECNL is today on the Girls side.
4)  Get your slings and arrows ready, but boys and girls are generally wired differently.  I do think there will be a higher likelihood that girls will choose to stay with ECNL with it's somewhat lower commitment level and ability to participate in HS sports and have a little additional free time outside of the soccer world for other things.

These are my opinions, and in some cases, outright guesses.  Let's come back to this in 3-5 years to see if I was wrong, it won't be the first time...

BigErn wrote:Just a little tidbit for you guys ...

The USSDA is giving some discretion to the Girl's DA clubs in allowing them to make the decision as to whether or not the ladies can participate in school sports.  It's not a 'hard and fast' rule ... Very grey.

I do know that FCD will be allowing the DA U14s (and possible U13s if that comes together) to participate in MS sports next year but not allowing the older groups to participate in HS sports.  Solar has yet to make a final decision.

BigE -

I wouldn't be surprised if you have better and/or more recent info than I have, and I also understand the situation is still a bit fluid...

The last information that I had was that DA would not prevent kids from participating in other sports, but that they would not be allowed to do both simultaneously.  In other words, they would have to take a "leave" from DA to play the other sport.  However, the DA isn't going to pause in any way, or attempt to schedule around anything else.  Furthermore, the clubs will still have to meet the requirements of having viable rosters, and documenting a minimum of 4 training sessions per week for every DA player.  If clubs allow players to "leave" for another sport, they will possibly need to backfill those spots with other non-DA players.  Now, when the original player wants to come back into the DA fold after their other sport season is over, you have created an issue if you have to "cut" the substitute player, or... if the substitute player is playing very well, the player who "left" may not get back in.  The Clubs will not be keen on dealing with such situations, especially if GDA is still pay-to-play, which is my understanding that at least some of the DA clubs are saying it will be.

So is your information different from what I described above?  If not, then while the DA isn't "officially" preventing players from participating in other sports, the restrictions placed on the clubs/players make reality something different.

Even if they were to allow simultaneous participation in DA and another sport, is the DA going to relax on the 4x training/week requirement for those players?  That alone will make participating in something in addition to DA extremely difficult.

bwgophers wrote:

BigErn wrote:Just a little tidbit for you guys ...

The USSDA is giving some discretion to the Girl's DA clubs in allowing them to make the decision as to whether or not the ladies can participate in school sports.  It's not a 'hard and fast' rule ... Very grey.

I do know that FCD will be allowing the DA U14s (and possible U13s if that comes together) to participate in MS sports next year but not allowing the older groups to participate in HS sports.  Solar has yet to make a final decision.

BigE -

I wouldn't be surprised if you have better and/or more recent info than I have, and I also understand the situation is still a bit fluid...

The last information that I had was that DA would not prevent kids from participating in other sports, but that they would not be allowed to do both simultaneously.  In other words, they would have to take a "leave" from DA to play the other sport.  However, the DA isn't going to pause in any way, or attempt to schedule around anything else.  Furthermore, the clubs will still have to meet the requirements of having viable rosters, and documenting a minimum of 4 training sessions per week for every DA player.  If clubs allow players to "leave" for another sport, they will possibly need to backfill those spots with other non-DA players.  Now, when the original player wants to come back into the DA fold after their other sport season is over, you have created an issue if you have to "cut" the substitute player, or... if the substitute player is playing very well, the player who "left" may not get back in.  The Clubs will not be keen on dealing with such situations, especially if GDA is still pay-to-play, which is my understanding that at least some of the DA clubs are saying it will be.

So is your information different from what I described above?  If not, then while the DA isn't "officially" preventing players from participating in other sports, the restrictions placed on the clubs/players make reality something different.

Even if they were to allow simultaneous participation in DA and another sport, is the DA going to relax on the 4x training/week requirement for those players?  That alone will make participating in something in addition to DA extremely difficult.

The backlash about not being able to play HS soccer has been strong. DA will "allow" it subject to the terms BW discussed above, which isn't optimal by any means. But that won't last more than a year or two. Then it's done. Forget playing HS soccer if you're U15 or below.

The more interesting thing said by Big E, which he slipped in and nobody seems to have noticed yet is hard for me to say since he is so often just flat out wrong, is his comment about u13 (05s) being in DA next year. I've heard similar chatter. But more realistically is ECNL starting at U13. Some clubs outside of Texas have said it's happening. They're even already recruiting and holding tryouts. That's another game changer for 05s.

ForReal wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

BigErn wrote:Just a little tidbit for you guys ...

The USSDA is giving some discretion to the Girl's DA clubs in allowing them to make the decision as to whether or not the ladies can participate in school sports.  It's not a 'hard and fast' rule ... Very grey.

I do know that FCD will be allowing the DA U14s (and possible U13s if that comes together) to participate in MS sports next year but not allowing the older groups to participate in HS sports.  Solar has yet to make a final decision.

BigE -

I wouldn't be surprised if you have better and/or more recent info than I have, and I also understand the situation is still a bit fluid...

The last information that I had was that DA would not prevent kids from participating in other sports, but that they would not be allowed to do both simultaneously.  In other words, they would have to take a "leave" from DA to play the other sport.  However, the DA isn't going to pause in any way, or attempt to schedule around anything else.  Furthermore, the clubs will still have to meet the requirements of having viable rosters, and documenting a minimum of 4 training sessions per week for every DA player.  If clubs allow players to "leave" for another sport, they will possibly need to backfill those spots with other non-DA players.  Now, when the original player wants to come back into the DA fold after their other sport season is over, you have created an issue if you have to "cut" the substitute player, or... if the substitute player is playing very well, the player who "left" may not get back in.  The Clubs will not be keen on dealing with such situations, especially if GDA is still pay-to-play, which is my understanding that at least some of the DA clubs are saying it will be.

So is your information different from what I described above?  If not, then while the DA isn't "officially" preventing players from participating in other sports, the restrictions placed on the clubs/players make reality something different.

Even if they were to allow simultaneous participation in DA and another sport, is the DA going to relax on the 4x training/week requirement for those players?  That alone will make participating in something in addition to DA extremely difficult.

The backlash about not being able to play HS soccer has been strong. DA will "allow" it subject to the terms BW discussed above, which isn't optimal by any means. But that won't last more than a year or two. Then it's done. Forget playing HS soccer if you're U15 or below.

The more interesting thing said by Big E, which he slipped in and nobody seems to have noticed yet is hard for me to say since he is so often just flat out wrong, is his comment about u13 (05s) being in DA next year. I've heard similar chatter. But more realistically is ECNL starting at U13. Some clubs outside of Texas have said it's happening. They're even already recruiting and holding tryouts. That's another game changer for 05s.

Absolutely spot on and couldn't have said it better myself BW --

FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

BigErn wrote:
FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

A few posts of yours from last summer:

BigErn wrote:There won't be any JDL teams qualifying or playing at LH D1.

BigErn wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:Completely inorrect bigern Completeincorrect

Comical.

As I mentioned, LH is the 'League'. JDL, D1, D2, D3 are 'Divisions'.  None of the JDL division teams will be playing in D1.  For each team from last year that have a bye this year in D1-D3 within the ECNL clubs, that bye will go to another team within that club to use (i.e. last year's FCD Elite D1 team bye now goes to the 3rd team at the club).  

So yes ... D1 will be watered down.

I accept your apology in advance. Thanks

ForReal wrote:

BigErn wrote:
FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

A few posts of yours from last summer:

BigErn wrote:There won't be any JDL teams qualifying or playing at LH D1.

BigErn wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:Completely inorrect bigern Completeincorrect

Comical.

As I mentioned, LH is the 'League'. JDL, D1, D2, D3 are 'Divisions'.  None of the JDL division teams will be playing in D1.  For each team from last year that have a bye this year in D1-D3 within the ECNL clubs, that bye will go to another team within that club to use (i.e. last year's FCD Elite D1 team bye now goes to the 3rd team at the club).  

So yes ... D1 will be watered down.

I accept your apology in advance. Thanks

talk about some butt hurt

05's will be playing full ECNl with the exception of national championship. There will be an optional regional showcase. This is based on Clubs accepting the 05 format.

2017-18 ECNL Member Clubs:

Please read the below correspondence in regards to the ECNL U13 Division being introduced in the 2017-18 ECNL Season.
Background:

The ECNL U13 Division will be created as a formal ECNL competition age group beginning in the 2017-18 season. While the age group will be formally supported by the league (see below), participation will be optional due to the different travel demands across the country. Additionally, based on the age of the players and the philosophy of the league, there will be no national champion or championship event.

The ECNL U13 Division will provide an option for member clubs to introduce their U13 players to the ECNL structure and competition, while focusing on development and learning.

ECNL U13 Division Basics:



Participation in the ECNL U13 Division is optional. All clubs must submit a survey response to the league (see below) indicating their desire to participate. Based upon these responses, the league will create conference schedules. Once committing to participate, the commitment is binding and will be enforced as at other ECNL age groups.
Participating teams in the ECNL U13 Division must complete the ECNL U13 Division season in its entirety as laid out and approved by the league.
The ECNL U13 Division Team must be the “first team” of the club in the U13 age group.
The specific competition format for the ECNL U13 Division will be determined by the league. It may mirror the format of the U14 schedule, or be structured differently, based on participating clubs.
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ForReal wrote:

BigErn wrote:
FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

A few posts of yours from last summer:

BigErn wrote:There won't be any JDL teams qualifying or playing at LH D1.

BigErn wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:Completely inorrect bigern Completeincorrect

Comical.

As I mentioned, LH is the 'League'. JDL, D1, D2, D3 are 'Divisions'.  None of the JDL division teams will be playing in D1.  For each team from last year that have a bye this year in D1-D3 within the ECNL clubs, that bye will go to another team within that club to use (i.e. last year's FCD Elite D1 team bye now goes to the 3rd team at the club).  

So yes ... D1 will be watered down.

I accept your apology in advance. Thanks

quality...

Bodhisattva wrote:

ForReal wrote:

BigErn wrote:
FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

A few posts of yours from last summer:

BigErn wrote:There won't be any JDL teams qualifying or playing at LH D1.

BigErn wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:Completely inorrect bigern Completeincorrect

Comical.

As I mentioned, LH is the 'League'. JDL, D1, D2, D3 are 'Divisions'.  None of the JDL division teams will be playing in D1.  For each team from last year that have a bye this year in D1-D3 within the ECNL clubs, that bye will go to another team within that club to use (i.e. last year's FCD Elite D1 team bye now goes to the 3rd team at the club).  

So yes ... D1 will be watered down.

I accept your apology in advance. Thanks

quality...

Not exactly "flat out wrong"

D1 is watered down is it not?

ForReal wrote:

BigErn wrote:
FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

A few posts of yours from last summer:

BigErn wrote:There won't be any JDL teams qualifying or playing at LH D1.

BigErn wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:Completely inorrect bigern Completeincorrect

Comical.

As I mentioned, LH is the 'League'. JDL, D1, D2, D3 are 'Divisions'.  None of the JDL division teams will be playing in D1.  For each team from last year that have a bye this year in D1-D3 within the ECNL clubs, that bye will go to another team within that club to use (i.e. last year's FCD Elite D1 team bye now goes to the 3rd team at the club).  

So yes ... D1 will be watered down.

I accept your apology in advance. Thanks

And if there were separate "divisions", then CPP rules would apply to girls "loaned" from JDL teams to DI teams.  (It wasn't LHGCL that made the decisions - the DOCs wanted to make sure they protected their DI byes.  See Solar, Sting and FCD 04 all using JDL players "dual-rostered" or added to the DI roster late in the season - some to try and secure their DI slot they would otherwise lose.)

But I'm sure that's all in the best interest of the players - not the clubs.  

ForReal wrote:

BigErn wrote:
FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

A few posts of yours from last summer:

BigErn wrote:There won't be any JDL teams qualifying or playing at LH D1.

BigErn wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:Completely inorrect bigern Completeincorrect

Comical.

As I mentioned, LH is the 'League'. JDL, D1, D2, D3 are 'Divisions'.  None of the JDL division teams will be playing in D1.  For each team from last year that have a bye this year in D1-D3 within the ECNL clubs, that bye will go to another team within that club to use (i.e. last year's FCD Elite D1 team bye now goes to the 3rd team at the club).  

So yes ... D1 will be watered down.

I accept your apology in advance. Thanks

Thanks for teeing this one up for me FoReal --

Butt hurt? ... For this?  C'mon now guys.  

You actually just wrote, "so often flat out wrong" ...  I'd be more upset if I was you when I wasted and hour of my time going back through 500+ posts to find 1 item which, by the way, came directly from the horse's mouth at that time and happened in 04s for all but two teams (this has already been discussed dozens of times when discussing JDL since).  It wasn't speculation and is exactly as the JDL was (and still is) outlined.  

And why would you include the, "So yes ... D1 will be watered down." comment?  No doubt this is the absolutely true and will continue to be at U13+ ...

Well done Sir

BigErn wrote:

ForReal wrote:

BigErn wrote:
FoReal -- I can't seem to recall ... please remind me of what I've been "flat out wrong" about again.

A few posts of yours from last summer:

BigErn wrote:There won't be any JDL teams qualifying or playing at LH D1.

BigErn wrote:

AtThePitch wrote:Completely inorrect bigern Completeincorrect

Comical.

As I mentioned, LH is the 'League'. JDL, D1, D2, D3 are 'Divisions'.  None of the JDL division teams will be playing in D1.  For each team from last year that have a bye this year in D1-D3 within the ECNL clubs, that bye will go to another team within that club to use (i.e. last year's FCD Elite D1 team bye now goes to the 3rd team at the club).  

So yes ... D1 will be watered down.

I accept your apology in advance. Thanks

Thanks for teeing this one up for me FoReal --

Butt hurt? ... For this?  C'mon now guys.  

You actually just wrote, "so often flat out wrong" ...  I'd be more upset if I was you when I wasted and hour of my time going back through 500+ posts to find 1 item which, by the way, came directly from the horse's mouth at that time and happened in 04s for all but two teams (this has already been discussed dozens of times when discussing JDL since).  It wasn't speculation and is exactly as the JDL was (and still is) outlined.  

And why would you include the, "So yes ... D1 will be watered down." comment?  No doubt this is the absolutely true and will continue to be at U13+ ...

Well done Sir

I didn't call you butt hurt.  Nor did I spend a long time going through your posts.  I knew you were wrong then and I remembered your posts about the subject.  So I've taken all of your posts with a grain of salt since.  In any event, regardless of your source then, you were wrong.  But where might I find this JDL "outline"?

I included the "watered down" comment because it was part of the same paragraph.  And, of course, nobody disagrees that DI would be watered down.  That was quite the brilliant comment you made.  

Just accept that you were wrong about teams playing both JDL and LH.