Re: Kicks/Rush/Feet

by Foxysoccermom 25/04/17, 08:04 am

It's just another cat from another hood...trying to paint their colors on all da hoods and lift some coin from more suckas, while sippin on gin n juice. You gotta keep your mind on your money and your money on your mind in soccer.

by Guest101 25/04/17, 11:36 pm

Rush 04 who were Grand Champion at U12 and runner up U13 join Feet for ECNL. Kicks 05 who are runner up in U12 this year and who were also the clear #1 2006 team before age pure join Feet for ECNL. Sting Black's club decided to do ECNL only and that team is the clear #1 2006 team currently.

Parents from DA clubs are preaching DA will be the top league and ECNL will be 2nd tier. All those clubs kept ECNL for a reason. Still think DA is where all the top players go? The USSF is notorious for getting it wrong, and it remains to be seen if they get it right this time. Majority of top talent in the country is sticking with ECNL, and those hopefuls that want DA to succeed? Not having the masses behind them does not provide a ton of confidence that they will.

On the boy's side DA makes a lot of sense. On the girl's side DA seems like a greedy self absorbed ploy to gain notoriety by dangling the USWNT carrot in front of naive parents. Give it 3-5 years and if NTX does not get more players into the National pool, clubs will start to focus on what is best for their players which is college exposure. The DA phase may be short lived.

Guest101 wrote:Look at it from another angle. Adding 51 teams from a lower level than what currently plays ECNL will water down the competition.

DA supporters claim this will be the top league and all the top players will go there. Out of 84 ECNL clubs in 2016-2017 there are 67 clubs who disagree and 17 who are "all in" for DA. That is about 80% retention for ECNL. There is another 15% of ECNL clubs who are undecided and plan to do both leagues. Even if all those undecided clubs were to drop ECNL (which is pretty ambitious for a league with no history on the girls side) it would still leave ECNL with about 65% retention.

ECNL adding 12 USYSA lower talented clubs to their league compared to the DA inviting 39 USYSA lower talented clubs is a huge discrepancy.

Playing devil's advocate, what if the pendulum swings the other way? What if those undecided clubs decide to drop DA for ECNL? Where would DA get enough teams to make their league worthwhile? Would they invite more USYSA clubs to fill the league?

If those clubs who are competing in both leagues decide that the competition level is better in ECNL (looking at the numbers it can go either way) and decide to pull out of DA then the experiment will fail.

by Guest 26/04/17, 08:18 am

Guest101 wrote:Rush 04 who were Grand Champion at U12 and runner up U13 join Feet for ECNL. Kicks 05 who are runner up in U12 this year and who were also the clear #1 2006 team before age pure join Feet for ECNL.

These are fantastic teams, but you got to let the pre-AP stuff go. It might as well have been 1982, back when I could throw a pigskin a quarter mile.

by KeeperCommander 26/04/17, 08:22 am

Sho'Nuff wrote:
Guest101 wrote:Rush 04 who were Grand Champion at U12 and runner up U13 join Feet for ECNL. Kicks 05 who are runner up in U12 this year and who were also the clear #1 2006 team before age pure join Feet for ECNL.

These are fantastic teams, but you got to let the pre-AP stuff go. It might as well have been 1982, back when I could throw a pigskin a quarter mile.

Yeah but coach never put you in the 4th quarter.

by Big Ern 26/04/17, 09:08 am

Agreed 101 ^ ... fantastic teams. And one could certainly see your point albeit obviously coming from a biased perspective.

As many of those with experience and knowledge have been posting on this forum for the past several months, the continued success of the ECNL is unequivocally hanging on a single question ... Where are the majority of college coaches going to recruit? If it turn's out that the answer is at the USSDA events, then quite simply, you'll be seeing the top players at Rush, Kicks and Sting make there way onto USSDA rosters in the coming years. And you mentioned, "All those clubs kept ECNL for a reason" ... Ummm ... Of course they did. Why wouldn't they when given the option to have both? The Bigs want to do their best to satisfy all parties, and the 2017-18 year will a year of 'due diligence' for all of them.

Being unbiased in that my girls are on different tracks (one USSDA and the other ECNL) at different clubs that offer both, I can tell you that exactly zero of the parents of kiddos that will be going the DA route are under the impression that she will be wearing the red, white and blue. Parents of kids playing at that level are generally a purty savvy bunch ... think less naivety and more realistic. The vision (and a quite realistic one at that) for our daughters is that they'll be getting the opportunity to play soccer at a solid NCAA D1 school.

The message from the USSDA has clearly been taken out of context (like a lot of the legitimate information provided here so frequently is) when we continue to see the 'carrot dangling' and 'goal of the parents of kids that choose DA is to make the National Team' messages.

It'd be super if we could keep the conspiracy theory and the "they're out to get us" mantras to a minimum. Greeeaaat ... thaaanks.

by ForReal 26/04/17, 09:35 am

Guest101 wrote:Rush 04 who were Grand Champion at U12 and runner up U13 join Feet for ECNL. Kicks 05 who are runner up in U12 this year and who were also the clear #1 2006 team before age pure join Feet for ECNL.

Might I suggest some other issues? At the time Kicks decided to join Feet, DA at U13 wasn't really being mentioned as a possibility. And as for both of them, they both selected a spot where they could keep their teams together, retain control for another year, and get in a league where they would have the right, or better, competition. I don't think their decision this year was ECNL over DA.

If those DDs ultimately want DA, I'm sure they will go individually. But for now, while still in 6th and 7th grade, they aren't rushing to the dangling carrot.

by wazup 26/04/17, 09:51 am

BigErn wrote:Agreed 101 ^ ... fantastic teams. And one could certainly see your point albeit obviously coming from a biased perspective.

As many of those with experience and knowledge have been posting on this forum for the past several months, the continued success of the ECNL is unequivocally hanging on a single question ... Where are the majority of college coaches going to recruit? If it turn's out that the answer is at the USSDA events, then quite simply, you'll be seeing the top players at Rush, Kicks and Sting make there way onto USSDA rosters in the coming years. And you mentioned, "All those clubs kept ECNL for a reason" ... Ummm ... Of course they did. Why wouldn't they when given the option to have both? The Bigs want to do their best to satisfy all parties, and the 2017-18 year will a year of 'due diligence' for all of them.

Being unbiased in that my girls are on different tracks (one USSDA and the other ECNL) at different clubs that offer both, I can tell you that exactly zero of the parents of kiddos that will be going the DA route are under the impression that she will be wearing the red, white and blue. Parents of kids playing at that level are generally a purty savvy bunch ... think less naivety and more realistic. The vision (and a quite realistic one at that) for our daughters is that they'll be getting the opportunity to play soccer at a solid NCAA D1 school.

The message from the USSDA has clearly been taken out of context (like a lot of the legitimate information provided here so frequently is) when we continue to see the 'carrot dangling' and 'goal of the parents of kids that choose DA is to make the National Team' messages.

It'd be super if we could keep the conspiracy theory and the "they're out to get us" mantras to a minimum. Greeeaaat ... thaaanks.

Personally, I would take the "conspiracy theory" and "they're out to get us mantras" over you kool-aid drinking pompous diatribes any day.

by Big Ern 26/04/17, 10:11 am

Yeah -- funny stuff wazup ... I'm sure everyone is giggling as they read the post. And I/we certainly all wouldn't expect anything less from you Sir --

However, you may wanna check out the definition of unbiased before you provide what you would "personally" take ... might save you some face there partner.

by wazup 26/04/17, 10:29 am

BigErn wrote:Yeah -- funny stuff wazup ... I'm sure everyone is giggling as they read the post. And I/we certainly all wouldn't expect anything less from you Sir --

However, you may wanna check out the definition of unbiased before you provide what you would "personally" take ... might save you some face there partner.

From the guy licking LW's boots, who either dodges challenges or conveniently revises his statements.

by tpitty 26/04/17, 10:59 am

Guest101 wrote:Rush 04 who were Grand Champion at U12 and runner up U13 join Feet for ECNL. Kicks 05 who are runner up in U12 this year and who were also the clear #1 2006 team before age pure join Feet for ECNL. Sting Black's club decided to do ECNL only and that team is the clear #1 2006 team currently.

Parents from DA clubs are preaching DA will be the top league and ECNL will be 2nd tier. All those clubs kept ECNL for a reason. Still think DA is where all the top players go? The USSF is notorious for getting it wrong, and it remains to be seen if they get it right this time. Majority of top talent in the country is sticking with ECNL, and those hopefuls that want DA to succeed? Not having the masses behind them does not provide a ton of confidence that they will.

On the boy's side DA makes a lot of sense. On the girl's side DA seems like a greedy self absorbed ploy to gain notoriety by dangling the USWNT carrot in front of naive parents. Give it 3-5 years and if NTX does not get more players into the National pool, clubs will start to focus on what is best for their players which is college exposure. The DA phase may be short lived.

Guest101 wrote:Look at it from another angle. Adding 51 teams from a lower level than what currently plays ECNL will water down the competition.

DA supporters claim this will be the top league and all the top players will go there. Out of 84 ECNL clubs in 2016-2017 there are 67 clubs who disagree and 17 who are "all in" for DA. That is about 80% retention for ECNL. There is another 15% of ECNL clubs who are undecided and plan to do both leagues. Even if all those undecided clubs were to drop ECNL (which is pretty ambitious for a league with no history on the girls side) it would still leave ECNL with about 65% retention.

ECNL adding 12 USYSA lower talented clubs to their league compared to the DA inviting 39 USYSA lower talented clubs is a huge discrepancy.

Playing devil's advocate, what if the pendulum swings the other way? What if those undecided clubs decide to drop DA for ECNL? Where would DA get enough teams to make their league worthwhile? Would they invite more USYSA clubs to fill the league?

If those clubs who are competing in both leagues decide that the competition level is better in ECNL (looking at the numbers it can go either way) and decide to pull out of DA then the experiment will fail.

by db10 26/04/17, 11:10 am

Since every thread turns into beating the same horse over and over I'll put in my .02

Put 11 and 12 year olds in a system that only allows them to play one sport that requires it 4 or 5 times a week and you're going to get some maladjusted kids 6 years later. My bet is most won't be playing at 16 if forced into this option. And yes my opinion is that many will be forced by their parents into DA. My DD has friends that can walk into the DA teams today, but they run track, play softball, play volleyball, cheer, etc. I don't see those parents telling them sorry, you're a soccer player for the rest of your childhood. This isn't boys soccer in England or Spain where contracts are being signed at 12 with Man U or Barca. There isn't a $200,000 a week pot at the end of the rainbow for girls in soccer. If parents are willing to sacrifice everything for a 1% shot at stardom in women's soccer then I hope, at least, they're getting their child's buy in.

by AtThePitch 26/04/17, 11:14 am

db10 wrote:Since every thread turns into beating the same horse over and over I'll put in my .02

Put 11 and 12 year olds in a system that only allows them to play one sport that requires it 4 or 5 times a week and you're going to get some maladjusted kids 6 years later. My bet is most won't be playing at 16 if forced into this option. And yes my opinion is that many will be forced by their parents into DA. My DD has friends that can walk into the DA teams today, but they run track, play softball, play volleyball, cheer, etc. I don't see those parents telling them sorry, you're a soccer player for the rest of your childhood. This isn't boys soccer in England or Spain where contracts are being signed at 12 with Man U or Barca. There isn't a $200,000 a week pot at the end of the rainbow for girls in soccer. If parents are willing to sacrifice everything for a 1% shot at stardom in women's soccer then I hope, at least, they're getting their child's buy in.

by jogobonito06 26/04/17, 11:34 am

db10 wrote:Since every thread turns into beating the same horse over and over I'll put in my .02

Put 11 and 12 year olds in a system that only allows them to play one sport that requires it 4 or 5 times a week and you're going to get some maladjusted kids 6 years later. My bet is most won't be playing at 16 if forced into this option. And yes my opinion is that many will be forced by their parents into DA. My DD has friends that can walk into the DA teams today, but they run track, play softball, play volleyball, cheer, etc. I don't see those parents telling them sorry, you're a soccer player for the rest of your childhood. This isn't boys soccer in England or Spain where contracts are being signed at 12 with Man U or Barca. There isn't a $200,000 a week pot at the end of the rainbow for girls in soccer. If parents are willing to sacrifice everything for a 1% shot at stardom in women's soccer then I hope, at least, they're getting their child's buy in.

Yep, yep and yep. Still, nobody asks the question: what exactly are we "developing" these kids FOR? Every serious study and thousands of professional athletes tout the benefit of playing multiple sports.

by NoSpinZone 26/04/17, 11:44 am

jogobonito06 wrote:
db10 wrote:Since every thread turns into beating the same horse over and over I'll put in my .02

Put 11 and 12 year olds in a system that only allows them to play one sport that requires it 4 or 5 times a week and you're going to get some maladjusted kids 6 years later. My bet is most won't be playing at 16 if forced into this option. And yes my opinion is that many will be forced by their parents into DA. My DD has friends that can walk into the DA teams today, but they run track, play softball, play volleyball, cheer, etc. I don't see those parents telling them sorry, you're a soccer player for the rest of your childhood. This isn't boys soccer in England or Spain where contracts are being signed at 12 with Man U or Barca. There isn't a $200,000 a week pot at the end of the rainbow for girls in soccer. If parents are willing to sacrifice everything for a 1% shot at stardom in women's soccer then I hope, at least, they're getting their child's buy in.

Yep, yep and yep. Still, nobody asks the question: what exactly are we "developing" these kids FOR? Every serious study and thousands of professional athletes tout the benefit of playing multiple sports.

Yet U-Little parents are flocking to DA clubs to secure an early spot at U9 or u10. Corndog to a dorkfish...
Kicks/Rush/Feet - Page 3 Dorkfi10

by abc000 26/04/17, 12:02 pm

db10 wrote:Since every thread turns into beating the same horse over and over I'll put in my .02

Put 11 and 12 year olds in a system that only allows them to play one sport that requires it 4 or 5 times a week and you're going to get some maladjusted kids 6 years later. My bet is most won't be playing at 16 if forced into this option. And yes my opinion is that many will be forced by their parents into DA. My DD has friends that can walk into the DA teams today, but they run track, play softball, play volleyball, cheer, etc. I don't see those parents telling them sorry, you're a soccer player for the rest of your childhood. This isn't boys soccer in England or Spain where contracts are being signed at 12 with Man U or Barca. There isn't a $200,000 a week pot at the end of the rainbow for girls in soccer. If parents are willing to sacrifice everything for a 1% shot at stardom in women's soccer then I hope, at least, they're getting their child's buy in.

Not to mention the now 3 DA clubs are all in a very concentrated geographic area of DFW. Even if you have parent(s) willing to disrupt family life 4 times per week and a child who is truly obsessed with only soccer to the exclusion of grades, school activities (band, choir, theater, athletics, etc), friends and so on, if they do not reside in North Dallas/Frisco/Plano/Allen it is practically undoable. For many athletic skilled girls the fact their home is in Mansfield or Keller or Fort Worth or anywhere beyond a 20 minute drive, even if they and the parents are committed enough, it is just not workable. ECNL with practice 2-3 times per week and games on weekends is stretching many to the limit as it is.

by PowerKick 26/04/17, 12:13 pm

abc000 wrote:

Not to mention the now 3 DA clubs are all in a very concentrated geographic area of DFW. Even if you have parent(s) willing to disrupt family life 4 times per week and a child who is truly obsessed with only soccer to the exclusion of grades, school activities (band, choir, theater, athletics, etc), friends and so on, if they do not reside in North Dallas/Frisco/Plano/Allen it is practically undoable. For many athletic skilled girls the fact their home is in Mansfield or Keller or Fort Worth or anywhere beyond a 20 minute drive, even if they and the parents are committed enough, it is just not workable. ECNL with practice 2-3 times per week and games on weekends is stretching many to the limit as it is.

That is a great point. Right now FCD in Frisco, Solar in Allen which really put more pressures for families to drive.

Where will Texans DA and ENCL practice at? I hope it is not Arlington Very Happy

by db10 26/04/17, 12:21 pm

abc000 wrote:
db10 wrote:Since every thread turns into beating the same horse over and over I'll put in my .02

Put 11 and 12 year olds in a system that only allows them to play one sport that requires it 4 or 5 times a week and you're going to get some maladjusted kids 6 years later. My bet is most won't be playing at 16 if forced into this option. And yes my opinion is that many will be forced by their parents into DA. My DD has friends that can walk into the DA teams today, but they run track, play softball, play volleyball, cheer, etc. I don't see those parents telling them sorry, you're a soccer player for the rest of your childhood. This isn't boys soccer in England or Spain where contracts are being signed at 12 with Man U or Barca. There isn't a $200,000 a week pot at the end of the rainbow for girls in soccer. If parents are willing to sacrifice everything for a 1% shot at stardom in women's soccer then I hope, at least, they're getting their child's buy in.

Not to mention the now 3 DA clubs are all in a very concentrated geographic area of DFW. Even if you have parent(s) willing to disrupt family life 4 times per week and a child who is truly obsessed with only soccer to the exclusion of grades, school activities (band, choir, theater, athletics, etc), friends and so on, if they do not reside in North Dallas/Frisco/Plano/Allen it is practically undoable. For many athletic skilled girls the fact their home is in Mansfield or Keller or Fort Worth or anywhere beyond a 20 minute drive, even if they and the parents are committed enough, it is just not workable. ECNL with practice 2-3 times per week and games on weekends is stretching many to the limit as it is.

Imagine having a great player and living in El Paso, or a state without a program at all.

by RightWingDad 26/04/17, 12:29 pm

PowerKick wrote:
abc000 wrote:

Not to mention the now 3 DA clubs are all in a very concentrated geographic area of DFW. Even if you have parent(s) willing to disrupt family life 4 times per week and a child who is truly obsessed with only soccer to the exclusion of grades, school activities (band, choir, theater, athletics, etc), friends and so on, if they do not reside in North Dallas/Frisco/Plano/Allen it is practically undoable. For many athletic skilled girls the fact their home is in Mansfield or Keller or Fort Worth or anywhere beyond a 20 minute drive, even if they and the parents are committed enough, it is just not workable. ECNL with practice 2-3 times per week and games on weekends is stretching many to the limit as it is.

That is a great point. Right now FCD in Frisco, Solar in Allen which really put more pressures for families to drive.

Where will Texans DA and ENCL practice at? I hope it is not Arlington

I can almost guarantee Texan DA/ENCL teams will practice at Ross Stewart facility, great facility btw...unless you have siblings that accidentally wander onto the practice surface under the watchful eye of the owner. As long as Texans have had ECNL they have practiced at RS.

If DA truly becomes top tier relegating ECNL, then possibly I could see them moving ENCL teams to GP or Lewisville to make room for the "favored" teams.

by Hollister254 26/04/17, 12:29 pm

PowerKick wrote:
abc000 wrote:

Not to mention the now 3 DA clubs are all in a very concentrated geographic area of DFW. Even if you have parent(s) willing to disrupt family life 4 times per week and a child who is truly obsessed with only soccer to the exclusion of grades, school activities (band, choir, theater, athletics, etc), friends and so on, if they do not reside in North Dallas/Frisco/Plano/Allen it is practically undoable. For many athletic skilled girls the fact their home is in Mansfield or Keller or Fort Worth or anywhere beyond a 20 minute drive, even if they and the parents are committed enough, it is just not workable. ECNL with practice 2-3 times per week and games on weekends is stretching many to the limit as it is.

That is a great point. Right now FCD in Frisco, Solar in Allen which really put more pressures for families to drive.

Where will Texans DA and ENCL practice at? I hope it is not Arlington

Texans DA and ECNL is at Ross Stewart

by tpitty 26/04/17, 12:39 pm

db10 wrote:
Imagine having a great player and living in El Paso, or a state without a program at all.

They move here. We currently have 2 kids from El Paso on my kids team to play DA.

And one from NC that moved here for DA as well.

by tpitty 26/04/17, 12:46 pm

db10 wrote:
Put 11 and 12 year olds in a system that only allows them to play one sport that requires it 4 or 5 times a week and you're going to get some maladjusted kids 6 years later. My bet is most won't be playing at 16 if forced into this option.

maladjusted 6 years later.... Rolling Eyes

Or maybe they will be extremely adjusted. Let me know after your 6 study concludes.

My sons U11 league team of 18 kids has only 2 left playing at all. -- so it is a safe bet that quite a few wont be playing club at 16. Not singular to DA.

Kids will come and go along the way. Some will move down, some will move up, some will quit. Joining DA at U13 means you will play DA for that year. That is all. It is all a journey folks. Relax, do what is best for your kiddo that year, and reevaluate the next.

by Big Ern 26/04/17, 03:16 pm

wazup wrote:
BigErn wrote:Yeah -- funny stuff wazup ... I'm sure everyone is giggling as they read the post. And I/we certainly all wouldn't expect anything less from you Sir --

However, you may wanna check out the definition of unbiased before you provide what you would "personally" take ... might save you some face there partner.

From the guy licking LW's boots, who either dodges challenges or conveniently revises his statements.

Dude. C'mon --

It’s clear that the nature of my posts somehow offend you. This is plainly evident when your responses to them are nothing but snide jabs that generally rebut none of the content of them.

I've never intentionally "dodged" any question nor have I "revised" a single post of mine ... zero reason to. Most of what I post is accurate and objective information ... I rarely come on to this forum to speculate or grabass (which seems to be your fave). Having been a coach for much of my adult life, I know the majority of the club directors + coaches and still have personal relationships with many of them. Almost all of the information I pass on to you all comes directly from them. Feel free to ignore what I have to say just because you don't like me, but how bout next time you get all worked up you send me a private message so we can spare all of these folks from the monotonous BS. May also do ya good to do a skosh less trolling, or maybe you could actually provide some useful information rather than looking to feebly attempt to criticize, ridicule and nitpick ... how'd that be?

And to address the ignorant LW remark -- I have one kid that is lucky enough to play for him, and that's only for the next few weeks ... my others play for other coaches in other programs.

Good times, but if you get that inescapable urge to respond, please do so via PM ... Thanks Dude.

by Big Boy Bentley 28/04/17, 05:26 pm

I just finished making a batch of some good kool.aid...I'm thirsty.from reading this trail....

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