How DA changes affect 06s?

PowerKick wrote:

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

jogobonito06 wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

Could you please publish your 06 player rankings?  I need to know if I'm in the right club.

Guest101 wrote:There is no such thing as club allegiance to players who "get in early".  If you were to  take a poll of parents with current ECNL players, you will find that several players who played DII/DIII LH at U11/U12 are now starting in ECNL.  

Whether players "get in early" or not does not absolve them from competing for a roster spot.  There will be players who no longer compete, and fall out of love for the game.  There will also be those players who play the game at a younger age but really start to fall in love with soccer at the older ages.  Some of the parents who are boasting now will be the same ones trolling the sidelines for an ear to bend when "little Cindy" burns out.

Guest101 wrote:1. PowerKick daughter
2. Anyone who wants to play with PowerKick daughter
3. Everyone else

jogobonito06 wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

Could you please publish your 06 player rankings?  I need to know if I'm in the right club.

Zizou wrote:

Guest101 wrote:There is no such thing as club allegiance to players who "get in early".  If you were to  take a poll of parents with current ECNL players, you will find that several players who played DII/DIII LH at U11/U12 are now starting in ECNL.  

Whether players "get in early" or not does not absolve them from competing for a roster spot.  There will be players who no longer compete, and fall out of love for the game.  There will also be those players who play the game at a younger age but really start to fall in love with soccer at the older ages.  Some of the parents who are boasting now will be the same ones trolling the sidelines for an ear to bend when "little Cindy" burns out.

I disagree, these ECNL teams have core players throughout that have been with the team.

PowerKick wrote:

Guest101 wrote:1. PowerKick daughter
2. Anyone who wants to play with PowerKick daughter
3. Everyone else

By insulting people this way would only show how low you are as a person.

We are in a discussion, if you don't agree with me please join the discussion and show you really have a brain.

Guest101 wrote:
It was suggested that players who deem DA to be the top league should hurry and migrate or forever be left behind.

Guest101 wrote:

Zizou wrote:

Guest101 wrote:There is no such thing as club allegiance to players who "get in early".  If you were to  take a poll of parents with current ECNL players, you will find that several players who played DII/DIII LH at U11/U12 are now starting in ECNL.  

Whether players "get in early" or not does not absolve them from competing for a roster spot.  There will be players who no longer compete, and fall out of love for the game.  There will also be those players who play the game at a younger age but really start to fall in love with soccer at the older ages.  Some of the parents who are boasting now will be the same ones trolling the sidelines for an ear to bend when "little Cindy" burns out.

I disagree, these ECNL teams have core players throughout that have been with the team.

I see players in ECNL that have been with the same team since LHGCL. This was just recently broken up by pure age.

Both are true statements.  There are several players who play for ECNL that either worked their way up from the 2nd or 3rd teams or came from independent teams.
The core of a team is constantly evolving.  As time passes we forget that some of those players came later and were not part of the original U11 select team.

If you are referring to the core players as the ones on the ECNL roster at U14 and beyond, then yes the majority have been with that team throughout.  That was not the topic though.  It was suggested that players who deem DA to be the top league should hurry and migrate or forever be left behind.

Having been through this twice already, I can attest there will be some surprises on who makes the journey, and also who shows up late to the party but still able to "get in".

Guest101 wrote:
Having been through this twice already, I can attest there will be some surprises on who makes the journey, and also who shows up late to the party but still able to "get in".

PowerKick wrote:I am sorry by saying your dd, just removed it from my last post.

I would say for the players between 20~100, there is no big difference, and their performance vary from week to week. For those, how can you let the coach know you better is critical and to get in earlier is better way to achieve so.

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

BTW, I think DA is dual year, so only the top 30 in a age group can make it DA, is that right?

soccertard wrote:For anyone not in DA it will just be a throw away year

Zizou wrote:I see players in ECNL that have been with the same team since LHGCL. This was just recently broken up by pure age

Guest101 wrote:

PowerKick wrote:I am sorry by saying your dd, just removed it from my last post.

I would say for the players between 20~100, there is no big difference, and their performance vary from week to week. For those, how can you let the coach know you better is critical and to get in earlier is better way to achieve so.

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

BTW, I think DA is dual year, so only the top 30 in a age group can make it DA, is that right?

Ok so I paraphrased.  The overall concept was:  getting in early means a roster spot vs. waiting means little to no chance.

Shake_and_Bake wrote:

boilerjoe_96 wrote:

ForReal wrote:

They are 10 and 11.  What they think they might want now could very well change.  I just don't see the need to move now.  If they are good enough at the time, any club will take them even if they haven't been there for a year.  

But I guess this reasoning is why ECNL worked as a recruiting tool and then JDL somewhat worked as a recruiting tool. Parents feel the need to rush to the club that may one day provide the opportunity the parents feel the kids will deserve.

Find the best coach for your kids now, if they good enough, they will make whatever team in the future.  Too many parents swallow hook line and sinker on the notion that getting there early will be the difference maker.  A dd that can play will be the difference maker.  Those Sting Black girls, if they want DA, won't be turned away because they didnt get to the BIG 3 early enough, some could walk in last day and a roster spot would be made, probably kicking out a girl there for 3 years and those parents wont understand why....smh.

The reason to move is typically not driven by parents.  To use one of the most over used phrases on the board, it's business.  The coach capitalizes on supply/demand.  The club rolls out the red carpet, labels the new team "Ultra Elite," heaps some praise on the parents and everyone buys it.  The question is will SB follow AG if she decides to take the "it" team.  She is clearly good at her job.  If she can make more money doing it, why not?

PowerKick wrote:

boilerjoe_96 wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

boilerjoe_96 wrote: some could walk in last day and a roster spot would be made, probably kicking out a girl there for 3 years and those parents wont understand why....smh.

Yes, you can walk in the last day and take that spot, only if

1. Your dd is as good as the top 5 on that DA team
2. She is better than the current player who plays the same position,
3. She is healthy, focus and aggressive on that day.

However for most of us our dd may be fall in between #6~#26 if she is that good, it is really very hard to diff them around that kind of ranking. At this situation, the DA coach would much like to pick the players who he know better.

Example, DA coach pulp may well trust DA2 coach colv's recommendation and like to pick the players who train with his team even though the player is on DA2, or with another team in the same club.  

Once again, if your dd is top 10 in her age group, you can do whatever you want. However to most of us, to get in earlier make a lot of sense.

My dd irrelevant to this discussion as I was discussing Sting Black girls(the part you didnt quote) in my very long run-on sentence, so please re-read that.   "Some" references 'some' Sting Black players, but 'some' of those are certainly top 10 06 players.

To address in general(not SB players)  you don't have to be top 10 player in age group to push another out.  In a perfectly performing marketplace, 3 times the avg roster size , that want to play(this is also key), will make the teams.  So round numbers, 20 per roster, so if you are in top 60 you should make a team(parent and other issues aside).  Sure if your dd in the 50-60 range you might have to switch clubs, but if your kid a top 30(wild guess here) player, she going to make any of the 3 teams(unless 1 particularly loaded, which leaves a starter spot on other 2).  Up to her at that point to earn the time on field through practices and games, not just at tryout.

My guess is not 100% of the top 60 do DA.  Don't know what that number is, but many will want to play other sports.  So maybe if a dd is the 80th best player she makes a DA roster, if 20 or more girls opt to play high school sports.

I am sorry by saying your dd, just removed it from my last post.

I would say for the players between 20~100, there is no big difference, and their performance vary from week to week. For those, how can you let the coach know you better is critical and to get in earlier is better way to achieve so.

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

BTW, I think DA is dual year, so only the top 30 in a age group can make it DA, is that right?

Lefty wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

boilerjoe_96 wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

boilerjoe_96 wrote: some could walk in last day and a roster spot would be made, probably kicking out a girl there for 3 years and those parents wont understand why....smh.

Yes, you can walk in the last day and take that spot, only if

1. Your dd is as good as the top 5 on that DA team
2. She is better than the current player who plays the same position,
3. She is healthy, focus and aggressive on that day.

However for most of us our dd may be fall in between #6~#26 if she is that good, it is really very hard to diff them around that kind of ranking. At this situation, the DA coach would much like to pick the players who he know better.

Example, DA coach pulp may well trust DA2 coach colv's recommendation and like to pick the players who train with his team even though the player is on DA2, or with another team in the same club.  

Once again, if your dd is top 10 in her age group, you can do whatever you want. However to most of us, to get in earlier make a lot of sense.

My dd irrelevant to this discussion as I was discussing Sting Black girls(the part you didnt quote) in my very long run-on sentence, so please re-read that.   "Some" references 'some' Sting Black players, but 'some' of those are certainly top 10 06 players.

To address in general(not SB players)  you don't have to be top 10 player in age group to push another out.  In a perfectly performing marketplace, 3 times the avg roster size , that want to play(this is also key), will make the teams.  So round numbers, 20 per roster, so if you are in top 60 you should make a team(parent and other issues aside).  Sure if your dd in the 50-60 range you might have to switch clubs, but if your kid a top 30(wild guess here) player, she going to make any of the 3 teams(unless 1 particularly loaded, which leaves a starter spot on other 2).  Up to her at that point to earn the time on field through practices and games, not just at tryout.

My guess is not 100% of the top 60 do DA.  Don't know what that number is, but many will want to play other sports.  So maybe if a dd is the 80th best player she makes a DA roster, if 20 or more girls opt to play high school sports.

I am sorry by saying your dd, just removed it from my last post.

I would say for the players between 20~100, there is no big difference, and their performance vary from week to week. For those, how can you let the coach know you better is critical and to get in earlier is better way to achieve so.

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

BTW, I think DA is dual year, so only the top 30 in a age group can make it DA, is that right?

Slurp, Slurp, Slurp goes the Kool-Aid.

NoSpinZone wrote:

soccertard wrote:For anyone not in DA it will just be a throw away year

Yep, might as well go play volleyball with Foxy.

PowerKick wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

Could you please publish your 06 player rankings?  I need to know if I'm in the right club.

jogobonito06, your dd ranks #5, great player !

Only suggestion is to focus your effort on representing NTX in the USWNT not txsoccer.net politics

Foxysoccermom wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

PowerKick wrote:

For the Sting Black players, I think may be 3 could make into the top 10, and another 3 between 11~20. The rest (more than half) still fall into the 20~100 range, who has very little chance to take any spot on the last day, if not exposed to that coach previously.

Could you please publish your 06 player rankings?  I need to know if I'm in the right club.

jogobonito06, your dd ranks #5, great player !

Only suggestion is to focus your effort on representing NTX in the USWNT not txsoccer.net politics

Pk...you are soooooo silly. But you rank #1 in my book!  You're like big e in a different age group, only he's smarter and not as crazy.