Re: The bait and switch tactic

by HomeStretch 11/10/17, 11:48 am

DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

by Medicine Man 11/10/17, 02:39 pm

There's nobody to blame but ourselves. Titles don't mean anything DA ECNL if you can't play soccer. The bait and switch tactic is a bad trend for sure.

by KeeperCommander 11/10/17, 02:43 pm

HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

I hear ya Homey. DA had nothing to do with it. That is one way to put it. Another could be it had everything to do with it. And yet another could be it has yet realized its full potential yet. Either way you look at it it will be scrutinized to the fullest if the women do not win the World Cup in 2019 with the DA. When they won without it in 2015.
But I hear ya....

by Medicine Man 11/10/17, 02:54 pm

That's right KC little Suzie who's sitting the bench could have been the defender last night to be in position to make a play but we will never know. She may not play soccer next season. Why are we not developing the players anymore. Is money more important KC.

by Lefty 11/10/17, 02:57 pm

Medicine Man wrote:That's right KC little Suzie who's sitting the bench could have been the defender last night to be in position to make a play but we will never know. She may not play soccer next season. Why are we not developing the players anymore. Is money more important KC

Think you might have finally said something that makes sense.

by KeeperCommander 11/10/17, 02:58 pm

Medicine Man wrote:That's right KC little Suzie who's sitting the bench could have been the defender last night to be in position to make a play but we will never know. She may not play soccer next season. Why are we not developing the players anymore. Is money more important KC.

You can only develop those that wish to be developed. No money is not more important, but when I brought my DD to the power company to do a 100 juggles to pay the bill they denied my payment so....... Guess money has its place.

by KeeperCommander 11/10/17, 02:59 pm

Lefty wrote:
Medicine Man wrote:That's right KC little Suzie who's sitting the bench could have been the defender last night to be in position to make a play but we will never know. She may not play soccer next season. Why are we not developing the players anymore. Is money more important KC

Think you might have finally said something that makes sense.

Please dont feed the animals.

by Medicine Man 11/10/17, 03:08 pm

Lefty the title should have been the clue. Glad you finally are on the right track bait and switch tactic is catching up now. It's been going on for 10 plus years w the money grab only expanding.

by Guest 11/10/17, 03:24 pm

HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

Man... you were too easy of a target last night (hence my "like a Dorkfish to a corndog" illustration). Just having a little fun poking the DA bear.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm not anti-DA, nor am I pro-ECNL. I'm actually agnostic, and just a cynical hemorrhoid to anyone who thinks one is inherently superior to the other. They both have their pros and cons, and I don't see either going anywhere...

...and to say that DA has "nothing" to do with the state of the US Men's program and their performance last night seems a bit naive to me. It's certainly not the root of all of the problems, but it's a highly touted cog in the development system that doesn't appear to be delivering, so I don't know how you can unequivocally exonerate it. DA has been in place on the boys side for a decade now. In theory, the senior team and the U23's should be heavily populated with players in their early 20's who grew up in the DA, and if it was truly doing all that was promised, shouldn't we have qualified for Rio 2016 and Russia 2018?

by Medicine Man 11/10/17, 03:25 pm

Lefty BW hates the title bait and switch. The truth is in the title.

by Lefty 11/10/17, 04:02 pm

Medicine Man wrote:Lefty BW hates the title bait and switch. The truth is in the title.

Bait and switch is fine, but I prefer Caveat Emptor.

Bait and switch has been around a long time, but most people have enough sense do their due diligence so as not to be the chump.

Even worse when they don't do enough due diligence to keep their child out of the situation.

by Medicine Man 11/10/17, 04:20 pm

Little Suzy is the one sitting o n the bench Lefty. Hope she stays in soccer and doesn't let the bait and switch tactic deter her dreams.

by Guest 11/10/17, 04:25 pm

Lefty wrote:
Medicine Man wrote:Lefty BW hates the title bait and switch. The truth is in the title.

Bait and switch is fine, but I prefer Caveat Emptor.

Bait and switch has been around a long time, but most people have enough sense do their due diligence so as not to be the chump.

Even worse when they don't do enough due diligence to keep their child out of the situation.

+1

by Big Ern 11/10/17, 04:57 pm

bwgophers wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

Man... you were too easy of a target last night (hence my "like a Dorkfish to a corndog" illustration). Just having a little fun poking the DA bear.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm not anti-DA, nor am I pro-ECNL. I'm actually agnostic, and just a cynical hemorrhoid to anyone who thinks one is inherently superior to the other. They both have their pros and cons, and I don't see either going anywhere...

...and to say that DA has "nothing" to do with the state of the US Men's program and their performance last night seems a bit naive to me. It's certainly not the root of all of the problems, but it's a highly touted cog in the development system that doesn't appear to be delivering, so I don't know how you can unequivocally exonerate it. DA has been in place on the boys side for a decade now. In theory, the senior team and the U23's should be heavily populated with players in their early 20's who grew up in the DA, and if it was truly doing all that was promised, shouldn't we have qualified for Rio 2016 and Russia 2018?

As always, truly well put Bdub ... sincerely.

But aren't we all a bit naive to believe that regardless of the quality of our youth programs (I mean even if we had by far and away the best one out there), our men will ever be seriously competitive in this sport on the world stage?

by Lefty 11/10/17, 05:09 pm

BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

Man... you were too easy of a target last night (hence my "like a Dorkfish to a corndog" illustration). Just having a little fun poking the DA bear.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm not anti-DA, nor am I pro-ECNL. I'm actually agnostic, and just a cynical hemorrhoid to anyone who thinks one is inherently superior to the other. They both have their pros and cons, and I don't see either going anywhere...

...and to say that DA has "nothing" to do with the state of the US Men's program and their performance last night seems a bit naive to me. It's certainly not the root of all of the problems, but it's a highly touted cog in the development system that doesn't appear to be delivering, so I don't know how you can unequivocally exonerate it. DA has been in place on the boys side for a decade now. In theory, the senior team and the U23's should be heavily populated with players in their early 20's who grew up in the DA, and if it was truly doing all that was promised, shouldn't we have qualified for Rio 2016 and Russia 2018?

As always, truly well put Bdub ... sincerely.

But aren't we all a bit naive to believe that regardless of the quality of our youth programs (I mean even if we had by far and away the best one out there), our men will ever be seriously competitive in this sport on the world stage?

And the USWNT has been the flip side of coin. Top quality athletes input to a pathetic development environment over the last 20 years has still yielded world championships.

by Medicine Man 11/10/17, 05:11 pm

Suzy going to be paying for my electric bill all year thank you parent for believing in me tht your child was a starter...my brother in law DD needs her minutes. I don't have to listen to my wife anymore.

by Guest 11/10/17, 05:38 pm

BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

Man... you were too easy of a target last night (hence my "like a Dorkfish to a corndog" illustration). Just having a little fun poking the DA bear.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm not anti-DA, nor am I pro-ECNL. I'm actually agnostic, and just a cynical hemorrhoid to anyone who thinks one is inherently superior to the other. They both have their pros and cons, and I don't see either going anywhere...

...and to say that DA has "nothing" to do with the state of the US Men's program and their performance last night seems a bit naive to me. It's certainly not the root of all of the problems, but it's a highly touted cog in the development system that doesn't appear to be delivering, so I don't know how you can unequivocally exonerate it. DA has been in place on the boys side for a decade now. In theory, the senior team and the U23's should be heavily populated with players in their early 20's who grew up in the DA, and if it was truly doing all that was promised, shouldn't we have qualified for Rio 2016 and Russia 2018?

As always, truly well put Bdub ... sincerely.

But aren't we all a bit naive to believe that regardless of the quality of our youth programs (I mean even if we had by far and away the best one out there), our men will ever be seriously competitive in this sport on the world stage?

Well... a lot of people ripped on Klinsmann for bringing in all of the "Foreign" American players... maybe he was on to something, and says something about the quality of the club systems (at the youth and professional level) and professional leagues in Europe vs. US???

Maybe USSF needs to spend their money scouting top youth talent and then paying to send them to clubs in Europe to be developed, instead of wasting funds trying to do it with US youth clubs and MLS?

by Medicine Man 11/10/17, 07:38 pm

Back to the drawing board BW at least Suzy paying for my electric bill. Bait and switch works everytime.

by Big Ern 11/10/17, 09:16 pm

bwgophers wrote:
BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

Man... you were too easy of a target last night (hence my "like a Dorkfish to a corndog" illustration). Just having a little fun poking the DA bear.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm not anti-DA, nor am I pro-ECNL. I'm actually agnostic, and just a cynical hemorrhoid to anyone who thinks one is inherently superior to the other. They both have their pros and cons, and I don't see either going anywhere...

...and to say that DA has "nothing" to do with the state of the US Men's program and their performance last night seems a bit naive to me. It's certainly not the root of all of the problems, but it's a highly touted cog in the development system that doesn't appear to be delivering, so I don't know how you can unequivocally exonerate it. DA has been in place on the boys side for a decade now. In theory, the senior team and the U23's should be heavily populated with players in their early 20's who grew up in the DA, and if it was truly doing all that was promised, shouldn't we have qualified for Rio 2016 and Russia 2018?

As always, truly well put Bdub ... sincerely.

But aren't we all a bit naive to believe that regardless of the quality of our youth programs (I mean even if we had by far and away the best one out there), our men will ever be seriously competitive in this sport on the world stage?

Well... a lot of people ripped on Klinsmann for bringing in all of the "Foreign" American players... maybe he was on to something, and says something about the quality of the club systems (at the youth and professional level) and professional leagues in Europe vs. US???

Maybe USSF needs to spend their money scouting top youth talent and then paying to send them to clubs in Europe to be developed, instead of wasting funds trying to do it with US youth clubs and MLS?

I like this, but I think it ultimately comes down to the cash culture and sports hierarchy in this country. Until the commercials during NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL games don't cost advertisers thousands of $ per second (aka ... when pigs fly), the majority of our top tier athletes will choose those sports over soccer, leaving us in the dust vs most of the rest of the world (even CONCACAF as it turns out).

by KeeperCommander 11/10/17, 09:25 pm

BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

Man... you were too easy of a target last night (hence my "like a Dorkfish to a corndog" illustration). Just having a little fun poking the DA bear.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm not anti-DA, nor am I pro-ECNL. I'm actually agnostic, and just a cynical hemorrhoid to anyone who thinks one is inherently superior to the other. They both have their pros and cons, and I don't see either going anywhere...

...and to say that DA has "nothing" to do with the state of the US Men's program and their performance last night seems a bit naive to me. It's certainly not the root of all of the problems, but it's a highly touted cog in the development system that doesn't appear to be delivering, so I don't know how you can unequivocally exonerate it. DA has been in place on the boys side for a decade now. In theory, the senior team and the U23's should be heavily populated with players in their early 20's who grew up in the DA, and if it was truly doing all that was promised, shouldn't we have qualified for Rio 2016 and Russia 2018?

As always, truly well put Bdub ... sincerely.

But aren't we all a bit naive to believe that regardless of the quality of our youth programs (I mean even if we had by far and away the best one out there), our men will ever be seriously competitive in this sport on the world stage?

Well... a lot of people ripped on Klinsmann for bringing in all of the "Foreign" American players... maybe he was on to something, and says something about the quality of the club systems (at the youth and professional level) and professional leagues in Europe vs. US???

Maybe USSF needs to spend their money scouting top youth talent and then paying to send them to clubs in Europe to be developed, instead of wasting funds trying to do it with US youth clubs and MLS?

I like this, but I think it ultimately comes down to the cash culture and sports hierarchy in this country. Until the commercials during NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL games don't cost advertisers thousands of $ per second (aka ... when pigs fly), the majority of our top tier athletes will choose those sports over soccer, leaving us in the dust vs most of the rest of the world (even CONCACAF as it turns out).

Huh! You lost me. Hockey and soccer players. Not really interchangeable. Even up north.

by Big Ern 11/10/17, 09:31 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:
BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
BigErn wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
HomeStretch wrote:DA had nothing to do with men's team performance just like ecnl had nothing to do with womens team winning last world cup. If you think clubs like Sting ECNL is the answer - go for it. They have a track record of producing the dynamic and technically briliant players we all say the game needs. National team and full rides to the best schools surely await you at the end of your journey.

Man... you were too easy of a target last night (hence my "like a Dorkfish to a corndog" illustration). Just having a little fun poking the DA bear.

Whether you believe me or not, I'm not anti-DA, nor am I pro-ECNL. I'm actually agnostic, and just a cynical hemorrhoid to anyone who thinks one is inherently superior to the other. They both have their pros and cons, and I don't see either going anywhere...

...and to say that DA has "nothing" to do with the state of the US Men's program and their performance last night seems a bit naive to me. It's certainly not the root of all of the problems, but it's a highly touted cog in the development system that doesn't appear to be delivering, so I don't know how you can unequivocally exonerate it. DA has been in place on the boys side for a decade now. In theory, the senior team and the U23's should be heavily populated with players in their early 20's who grew up in the DA, and if it was truly doing all that was promised, shouldn't we have qualified for Rio 2016 and Russia 2018?

As always, truly well put Bdub ... sincerely.

But aren't we all a bit naive to believe that regardless of the quality of our youth programs (I mean even if we had by far and away the best one out there), our men will ever be seriously competitive in this sport on the world stage?

Well... a lot of people ripped on Klinsmann for bringing in all of the "Foreign" American players... maybe he was on to something, and says something about the quality of the club systems (at the youth and professional level) and professional leagues in Europe vs. US???

Maybe USSF needs to spend their money scouting top youth talent and then paying to send them to clubs in Europe to be developed, instead of wasting funds trying to do it with US youth clubs and MLS?

I like this, but I think it ultimately comes down to the cash culture and sports hierarchy in this country. Until the commercials during NFL, MLB, NBA and NHL games don't cost advertisers thousands of $ per second (aka ... when pigs fly), the majority of our top tier athletes will choose those sports over soccer, leaving us in the dust vs most of the rest of the world (even CONCACAF as it turns out).
Huh! You lost me. Hockey and soccer players. Not really interchangeable. Even up north.

Contrarily, I'd say they are most similar to soccer athletes of the four, with basketball a close second --

But not really my point which is that fact that those professional athletes are paid much more than professional soccer athletes in our country.

by KeeperCommander 11/10/17, 09:38 pm

Marketing majors get paid more than female soccer players.

by Lefty 12/10/17, 06:49 am

KeeperCommander wrote:Marketing majors get paid more than female soccer players.

What is your point?

Does not seem to impact our ability to win world championships on the women's side!

Nor does a similar 'win every game at the expense of teaching, training and development' at the youth level.

Input elite level athletes into the pipeline on the men's side and it will be different. Mediocre athletes = mediocre results.

by Lefty 12/10/17, 06:54 am

If you were talking about the men's team then you may have a point.

by Medicine Man 12/10/17, 07:09 am

The beat goes on, the beat goes on. Zzzzzzzzzzz

by KeeperCommander 12/10/17, 09:05 am

Lefty wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:Marketing majors get paid more than female soccer players.

What is your point?Not a point just a smartass statement in response to why male athletes get paid more than female.

Does not seem to impact our ability to win world championships on the women's side! Not yet but it might. Possibility is all I am saying.

Nor does a similar 'win every game at the expense of teaching, training and development' at the youth level. Nothing to do with what I was talking about. Different topic that would be equally interesting though.

Input elite level athletes into the pipeline on the men's side and it will be different. Mediocre athletes = mediocre results. Input the best of the best into anything and you will get results. We just do not have the best mens soccer players on US soil, period. Never have and probably never will. Good but not great.

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