Re: June 04 Rankings

by Guest 12/06/11, 08:08 pm

Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result
Congrats to solar

by Guest 12/06/11, 10:20 pm

Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result

HUH?

...

Anyway, I wish Solar would play in the Guts and Glory in the '03 division, I hear we were invited to play but JK has some sort of conflict I guess. Sad

by lovesoccer 12/06/11, 11:04 pm

TXSoccerMommy wrote:
Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result

HUH?

...

Anyway, I wish Solar would play in the Guts and Glory in the '03 division, I hear we were invited to play but JK has some sort of conflict I guess.

I wonder if it has to do with the indoor schedule and some of his other teams making it to the finals. Plus 2 weekends in a row of tourney is a bit much for this age. I know some of the girls are going out of town soon. That might be a deciding factor.

by Guest 13/06/11, 07:25 am

TXSoccerMommy wrote:
Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result

HUH?

...

Anyway, I wish Solar would play in the Guts and Glory in the '03 division, I hear we were invited to play but JK has some sort of conflict I guess.

Dalglish played Whelan in a scrimmage yesterday and I was interested to see how it went

I enjoy watching JKs teams play but think the opposition in the PT tourneys are not tough enough for them. Guts and Glory would be a good platform for them to play against some D1and D2 03 teams (and would potentially see a match up with Dalglish who I'm sure are entering?)

by FriscoSoccer2004 13/06/11, 08:21 am

Master Bates wrote:
TXSoccerMommy wrote:
Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result

HUH?

...

Anyway, I wish Solar would play in the Guts and Glory in the '03 division, I hear we were invited to play but JK has some sort of conflict I guess.

Dalglish played Whelan in a scrimmage yesterday and I was interested to see how it went

I enjoy watching JKs teams play but think the opposition in the PT tourneys are not tough enough for them. Guts and Glory would be a good platform for them to play against some D1and D2 03 teams (and would potentially see a match up with Dalglish who I'm sure are entering?)

Yes Dalglish is in Guts and Glory in '03 Division. They have not made the schedule yet and would take 1 or 2 more teams if they wanted to enter, but would have to do so Today as technically the registration has closed.

Here is the current Accepted Team List: http://www.gotsport.com/asp/directors/tournament/vieweventteamsclean.asp?eventid=17167

by Moosh98 13/06/11, 08:49 pm

by Guest 13/06/11, 09:01 pm

Moosh98 wrote:
Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result
Congrats to solar

The scrimmage was a little rough. There were a handful of Dalglish girls and a few Beardsley girls. After about 45 min, Dalglish was up 6-1. after about an hour and a half it was around 9-5.

Is that a joke?? 04s play full 90 minute matches in NTX?? Seriously??

by Moosh98 13/06/11, 09:18 pm

Pitchdad wrote:
Moosh98 wrote:
Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result
Congrats to solar

The scrimmage was a little rough. There were a handful of Dalglish girls and a few Beardsley girls. After about 45 min, Dalglish was up 6-1. after about an hour and a half it was around 9-5.

Is that a joke?? 04s play full 90 minute matches in NTX?? Seriously??

Ha! no. Just a scrimmage

by Guest 13/06/11, 09:24 pm

Moosh98 wrote:
Pitchdad wrote:
Moosh98 wrote:
Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result
Congrats to solar

The scrimmage was a little rough. There were a handful of Dalglish girls and a few Beardsley girls. After about 45 min, Dalglish was up 6-1. after about an hour and a half it was around 9-5.

Is that a joke?? 04s play full 90 minute matches in NTX?? Seriously??

Ha! no. Just a scrimmage

Moosh, Moosh, Moosh, I understand it was a scrimmage, point being, why were 04s playing 90 minutes? Scrimmage, friendly, half time show...what ever you want to call it, why would they be doing that? Should I even ask what time of the day it was? Nah, it doesn't even matter. They should be playing at most what 25 minute halves in ONE game. Come on now!!

by Guest 13/06/11, 10:14 pm

Moosh98 wrote:
Pitchdad wrote:
Moosh98 wrote:
Pitchdad wrote:
Moosh98 wrote:
Master Bates wrote:Would be interested to find out the Dalglish vs Whelan result
Congrats to solar

The scrimmage was a little rough. There were a handful of Dalglish girls and a few Beardsley girls. After about 45 min, Dalglish was up 6-1. after about an hour and a half it was around 9-5.

Is that a joke?? 04s play full 90 minute matches in NTX?? Seriously??

Ha! no. Just a scrimmage

Moosh, Moosh, Moosh, I understand it was a scrimmage, point being, why were 04s playing 90 minutes? Scrimmage, friendly, half time show...what ever you want to call it, why would they be doing that? Should I even ask what time of the day it was? Nah, it doesn't even matter. They should be playing at most what 25 minute halves in ONE game. Come on now!!

Wow. These girls train at least 2 nights a week for an hour and a half each time. Play tourneys with multiple games in one hot day. One long scrimmage a big deal??

How many waters breaks are given during a practice session? Are there not also breaks during instruction? Tourneys...hhmm, those are 25 minute halves spread out over the course of how many hours? If one 90 minute match is no big deal why didnt you line up a second one to be played back to back?

by go99 13/06/11, 10:35 pm

don't know how long the playtime was but a fun time for the girls followed by hanging out at Braums for ice cream.

by WingNut 13/06/11, 10:39 pm

Rankings are fun and keep things interesting. But can we really get an accurate ranking during summer?

At least with my daughters team we havent had the full team during a tourney yet, and doesnt look like we will during the entire summer, someone is always gone dong family things which is good.

Just a thought. Im sure everyone else has the same issue

by go99 13/06/11, 10:45 pm

yep it was and no way that was a straight 90 min.

by jen_nah 15/06/11, 11:05 pm

WingNut wrote:Rankings are fun and keep things interesting. But can we really get an accurate ranking during summer?

At least with my daughters team we havent had the full team during a tourney yet, and doesnt look like we will during the entire summer, someone is always gone dong family things which is good.

Just a thought. Im sure everyone else has the same issue

I think this is an issue for almost all academy teams right now. With the exception of the '01 teams gearing up for qualifying.

by youthsports 18/07/11, 11:27 pm

I have seen the following games in the past 2 months, in addition to regular season games in primetime:

Adidas Cup
Solar Kennington 04 vs. DT South 04

Guts and Glory

LP Dalglish 04 vs. DT South Adames 03
LP Dalglish 04 vs. LP Whelan 03

TFC Cup

LP Dalglish 04 vs. DT South 03 Curiel
LP Dalglish 04 vs. Juventus Gold 03

PrimeTime Cup Championships

Solar Kennington 04 vs. GSSC Thunder 04
Texas Black Gold 04 vs. GSSC Thunder 04 (one half)
Fever United 04 vs. Texas Spirit North 04
Fever United 04 vs. LP Beardsley 04
Solar Kennington 04 vs. Fever United 04 (one half)

Heading into the fall soccer season here are my rankings based on what I have seen so far:

1. LP Dalglish--beat DT South 03 Curiel in TFC Cup but lost to same team in finals 1-0. LP Dalglish are tenacious on defense and very tough. The game vs. DT South Adames 03 was the clincher for me to rank LP Dalglish over Solar Kennington. LP Dalglish hung with a team that was physically bigger and faster and technically superior to them.

2. Solar Kennington--better than LP Dalglish on offense but defense is not as good as LP Dalglish, and that is the difference here. Solar Kennington has done it all this Spring and Summer by winning two tournaments and beating some good teams in the 04 division. They only have to Play LP Dalglish to settle who is the top team in 04 soccer. They are closer to Dalglish than many people think but I don't think this team could stay on the field with a DT South Adames 03 and that is why they are ranked 2nd.

3. Fever United-- a super athletic team. Just one more offensive player and they will be right there with both Solar Kennington and LP Dalglish.

4. Odyssey 04--this team from Keller is very good. In fact, I think they are as good on defense as LP Dalglish. They are not as strong offensively but they are athletic and tough.

5. GSSC Thunder--finished 3rd in Primetime Cup and beat DT South 2 times in league play.

6. DT South-- This team usually is very strong on defense but Solar Kennington made it look easy this weekend. It was very hot at Oak Grove Park but Solar Kennington were two steps faster than DT South during the game.

7. LP Beardsley--gave Fever United all they could handle in the Primetime Cup Tournament. LP Beardsley played great soccer but Fever United's superior athletic ability was the difference in the game.

8. Texas Black Gold-- well coached team tough and fun to watch.

9. DT North and Rowdies--I haven't seen either of these teams but they did beat Fever United in SDL so they are obviously good teams.

Solar Kennington vs. LP Dalglish is the main draw and I hope to see them square off in the 03 division of the Primetime Cup Tournament in August. Simply because I think the team with the best defense will win, I expect LP Dalglish to win this one but it will be close.

by 2good4u 19/07/11, 12:24 am

Nice post to get some discussion going. I can appreciate your rankings, but I would respectfully disagree on some of those. You seem to favor the Primetime teams although recent tournaments have shown that the SDL teams seem to be stronger.

1-3:
Solar has been crushing in tournaments this summer but I think Dalglish would handle them. DTN and Solar are close to each other with the edge to DTN. DTN has picked up some new players since SDL.

4-5:
Rowdies and Fever are close. Rowdies beat Fever in SDL. Fever lost one of their best players since then. Rowdies have also lost some players. However, with their new big name coach, Rowdies may attract top players players away from other teams.

6-10:
Despite losing to Solar twice this weekend, I would still put DTS over GSSC Thunder and Odyssey. I think Odyssey is ranked too high. Aren't they playing indoor under a different name somewhere? Inwood maybe? TBG and Beardsley are also here in the mix.

Just my opinion without intention to inflame. Anybody else?

by happygilmore 19/07/11, 01:52 am

I would not put Rowdies 04 very high and i hear there are talented teams out there. Best player left, low practice attendance, many shopping around. Not comparable to other Rowdie teams I have seen come and go, just keeping it REAL

by 2good4u 19/07/11, 08:01 am

Happy, you obviously are or were a Rowdies 02 parent. What's with all the hate? Sour grapes with DM? Sounds like you may have had a falling out. If not, I'm sure the Rowdy 04 and 02 parents would not be happy about your statements. Do you have an 04 as well? Sounds like you're basing your post on biased opinions from other people instead of personal experience. Just keeping it REAL.

by youthsports 19/07/11, 03:01 pm

2good4u wrote:Nice post to get some discussion going. I can appreciate your rankings, but I would respectfully disagree on some of those. You seem to favor the Primetime teams although recent tournaments have shown that the SDL teams seem to be stronger.

1-3:
Solar has been crushing in tournaments this summer but I think Dalglish would handle them. DTN and Solar are close to each other with the edge to DTN. DTN has picked up some new players since SDL.

4-5:
Rowdies and Fever are close. Rowdies beat Fever in SDL. Fever lost one of their best players since then. Rowdies have also lost some players. However, with their new big name coach, Rowdies may attract top players players away from other teams.

6-10:
Despite losing to Solar twice this weekend, I would still put DTS over GSSC Thunder and Odyssey. I think Odyssey is ranked too high. Aren't they playing indoor under a different name somewhere? Inwood maybe? TBG and Beardsley are also here in the mix.

Just my opinion without intention to inflame. Anybody else?

Thanks for the reply to my post! I watched the Solar Kennington vs. DT South game at the Adidas Cup and I also saw DT South play Fever (only for a half) at the tournament in Carrollton. DT South is not the same team from Fall 2010. I think some of their better 04 players are playing up on the 03 team. If you were there in person and watched the Solar Kennington game vs. DT South, you would have thought that either Solar Kennington is a juggernaut or DT South has regressed.

As for GSSC Thunder 04, the 2nd best game of the Primetime Cup Tournament was their game vs. Solar Kennington. They were tied at halftime 2-2, and only Fever played Solar better than GSSC did. GSSC beat Texas Black Gold 04 in that same tournament and the score was closer than the game really was. Only 3 Primetime teams made the top ten, and all three play very good defense.

I am hoping that Odyssey 04 plays in the August Primetime tournament, this team is a Dalglish clone. They play defense first, move the ball around and try to win games 1-0 or 2-0, i.e no shootouts. Having seen LP Dalglish up close this summer, Odyssey 04 plays the exact same style of play with the same type of aggressive defenders that make LP Dalglish the top 04 team.

Finally, I wish the Rowdies and DT North had played in some tournaments this summer but since they didn't I cannot rank them accurately. We will learn a lot from the August Primetime tournament. LP Dalglish, Solar Kennington and Fever United all should play up in 03 because they have nothing left to prove against any 04 competition.

I am biased towards defensive teams. Goals allowed is the only stat that matters because it shows consistency and defensive strength. LP Beardsly completely shut down the Fever United offensive attack until the last minute of the game in May. I am predicting that LP Beardsley will win the 04 bracket of the Primetime Fall Tournament over either GSSC, Odyssey or DT North. LP Beardsley is just technically better than the others and that will be the difference.

by Shelby427 19/07/11, 03:54 pm

Thanks for the reply to my post! I watched the Solar Kennington vs. DT South game at the Adidas Cup and I also saw DT South play Fever (only for a half) at the tournament in Carrollton. DT South is not the same team from Fall 2010. I think some of their better 04 players are playing up on the 03 team. If you were there in person and watched the Solar Kennington game vs. DT South, you would have thought that either Solar Kennington is a juggernaut or DT South has regressed.

Have to disagree here. The first match where they lost 2-0 was a better indication of how close DT South is playing to Kennington. In the second game their coach made some adjustments that back-fired trying to get some offense going.

Either way, I believe they are playing better than they were even a month ago and are just missing a bit on offense against the top teams.

by Guest 19/07/11, 04:10 pm

From what I see, LW has the luxury of putting defenders into midfield, midfield into forwards and drops a forward back to midfield. His team is interchangeable and no player is stuck in one position (please tell me Dalglish parents if I'm incorrect). I also don't think that just relying on their tough defenders is fair to the very skillful midfield/forwards they have. They have put a lot of goals in during last season of sdl and the last few tourneys.

Also, whilst 3v3 isn't necessarily the same game, I did watch a Dalglish team at Blue Sky a couple of weeks back knock in several goals against the Solar 04 girls. Again, in no way am I saying it proves anything other than the Dalglish midfield/attack can compete with anybody. I could pick at least 3 of the midfield players who would be in my 04 All Star team, as well as 1 forward.

1.Dalglish
2. DT North
3. Solar

by happygilmore 19/07/11, 04:28 pm

2good4u wrote:Happy, you obviously are or were a Rowdies 02 parent. What's with all the hate? Sour grapes with DM? Sounds like you may have had a falling out. If not, I'm sure the Rowdy 04 and 02 parents would not be happy about your statements. Do you have an 04 as well? Sounds like you're basing your post on biased opinions from other people instead of personal experience. Just keeping it REAL.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets see where to start. I have watch their practices , have seen their games, have seen other comparable teams play at different facilities. I saw what I believed to be their best player leave. I have seen several of DM's young teams over the year play at this age or a smidge older, and this team is not at the same caliber as the others.Typically DM's teams are ranked very hi atleast until u9 or u10. Now the Liverpool and some of the Solar teams are at the "old time Rowdie level" but this team is not IMO. So dont get your panties in a wad , it's my OPINION. You thnk they are up there -then that's your opinion, great believe it, live it! No problems at all with DM-very good coach for my kid at that time.

by go99 19/07/11, 04:34 pm

you are spot on. LW has the luxury of moving players around. My DD played alot of forward but has recently been playing winger (he wanted her facing the goal so she could run at defenders) She has played centrally in the midfield and on rare occasion defender (her size can get her into trouble there). Everyone must be interchangable as the positions are expected to flow with the game. Defenders often push up on their own and have scored quite a few goals including a few game winners. That being said, Daglish is still set for a defeat at anytime. Everyone will play regardless of the results and he expects a style and skill to be displayed even if they lose.

by go99 19/07/11, 04:41 pm

happygilmore wrote:
2good4u wrote:Happy, you obviously are or were a Rowdies 02 parent. What's with all the hate? Sour grapes with DM? Sounds like you may have had a falling out. If not, I'm sure the Rowdy 04 and 02 parents would not be happy about your statements. Do you have an 04 as well? Sounds like you're basing your post on biased opinions from other people instead of personal experience. Just keeping it REAL.
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm lets see where to start. I have watch their practices , have seen their games, have seen other comparable teams play at different facilities. I saw what I believed to be their best player leave. I have seen several of DM's young teams over the year play at this age or a smidge older, and this team is not at the same caliber as the others.Typically DM's teams are ranked very hi atleast until u9 or u10. Now the Liverpool and some of the Solar teams are at the "old time Rowdie level" but this team is not IMO. So dont get your panties in a wad , it's my OPINION. You thnk they are up there -then that's your opinion, great believe it, live it! No problems at all with DM-very good coach for my kid at that time.

Rowdies has some talent and their "best" player leaving is a matter of debate but I think many of the issues were down to coaching last season. We will see how they do this next season with the new coach. We will also see how rosales stacks up without the "borrowed" rowdies talent (unless he can manage to hold on to them). Outside the context of a game (which rosales can play very well) I think Rowdies has more pure talent as individuals. Can the coach bring them together as a team? Can he eliminate the "superstar" mentality and make it a "we" instead of "me" If he can do that and keep his players, They will finish as the top Texans team.

by happygilmore 19/07/11, 05:30 pm

Like I said My opinion, teams all around have best players though. Sometimes it's a few but best players do exist-like it or not, just as weak players exist.. I hope they do improve and do well with new coach.

by Shekicks04 19/07/11, 06:47 pm

happygilmore wrote:Like I said My opinion, teams all around have best players though. Sometimes it's a few but best players do exist-like it or not, just as weak players exist.. I hope they do improve and do well with new coach.

Who is the Rowdies new coach?

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