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tornado11 wrote:

Kick The Ball wrote:HP will not be as strong next year. Gatorade POY graduates this year.

Good player no doubt, though not as good (IMO) as the girl at ESD who also is a sr and has a scholarship to play for Anson Dorrance at North Carolina.

Not even close! HP girl is so much stronger and better.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

tornado11 wrote:

Kick The Ball wrote:HP will not be as strong next year. Gatorade POY graduates this year.

Good player no doubt, though not as good (IMO) as the girl at ESD who also is a sr and has a scholarship to play for Anson Dorrance at North Carolina.

Not even close! HP girl is so much stronger and better.

..The ESD girl got a scholarship to North Carolina....a much stronger D1 women's program than where the H.P. girl will go.

tornado11 wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

tornado11 wrote:

Kick The Ball wrote:HP will not be as strong next year. Gatorade POY graduates this year.

Good player no doubt, though not as good (IMO) as the girl at ESD who also is a sr and has a scholarship to play for Anson Dorrance at North Carolina.

Not even close! HP girl is so much stronger and better.

..The ESD girl got a scholarship to North Carolina....a much stronger D1 women's program than where the H.P. girl will go.

I have seen both of them play against good competition.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

tornado11 wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

tornado11 wrote:

Kick The Ball wrote:HP will not be as strong next year. Gatorade POY graduates this year.

Good player no doubt, though not as good (IMO) as the girl at ESD who also is a sr and has a scholarship to play for Anson Dorrance at North Carolina.

Not even close! HP girl is so much stronger and better.

..The ESD girl got a scholarship to North Carolina....a much stronger D1 women's program than where the H.P. girl will go.

I have seen both of them play against good competition.

..as have I...we will just have to agree to disagree on this one...

Just because a player is going to a top program does not equate to being the best. Ability does not always equal school. There are other girls from North Texas that had the opportunity to go to top programs, but for very little scholarship money. These players went elsewhere because they were the other school's top target and were given significantly more scholarship (some even "full rides"). With only 14 total scholarships for each program, money is one of the main determining factors where players end up. Case in point with North Carolina's incoming class; the four players from CA, UT and NC (2) likely received most, if not all of the Tar Heels available money.

The girl at ESD got a 50% scholarship to N.C....a school not in the habit of signing girls who can't play the game...

Like I said, there are other players from North Texas that had the opportunity to go to top programs (Notre Dame, VA, UCLA to name a few), but went elsewhere for more scholarship $. 50% of $45k out of pocket for North Carolina is a lot of money. School does not always equate to best soccer player.

North Carolina seems to have a pretty good record as far as women's soccer goes....

North Carolina has an excellent record. The best program in women's college soccer. I was just addressing the point you made about the girl going to NC. You said she was a better player because she was going to a better program .."The ESD girl got a scholarship to North Carolina....a much stronger D1 women's program than where the H.P. girl will go." ..This does not make her a better player. The HP girl is stronger, more skilled and unequaled in the air (heading).

There were only a few players from North Texas that should have been in the running for Gatorade POY. The one that was most deserving won!

Kick The Ball wrote: The HP girl is stronger, more skilled and unequaled in the air (heading).

There were only a few players from North Texas that should have been in the running for Gatorade POY. The one that was most deserving won!

Disagree with your first comment...both were in the running for Gatorade POY....one of them one, possibly more deserving but not IMO.

One thing we all can agree on is that the girls receiving an athletic scholarship need to be congratulated. The odds of receiving any amount of scholarship money to a D1 school to play soccer is approx. 2%.

Approx 362,000 female high school players (not including international)

8,473 college positions in D1.

4,410 scholarships available for the 8,473 players who make the team.

tornado11 wrote:The girl at ESD got a 50% scholarship to N.C.

Prove it.

I heard a similar story a couple years back ... "people in the know" swore the player was committed to "North Carolina" and was getting a "full ride". I had seen her play and she was a decent player, but not the stud I would have expected to get "full ride to NC".

When it was all said and done, she was going to "North Carolina - Greensboro".

Hmmm ... not exactly.

Just sayin'

tornado11 wrote:

Kick The Ball wrote: The HP girl is stronger, more skilled and unequaled in the air (heading).

There were only a few players from North Texas that should have been in the running for Gatorade POY. The one that was most deserving won!

Disagree with your first comment...both were in the running for Gatorade POY....one of them one, possibly more deserving but not IMO.

There were 3 players from NTX, out of 4, that were the finalists for the Texas Gatorade player of the year.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

tornado11 wrote:

Kick The Ball wrote: The HP girl is stronger, more skilled and unequaled in the air (heading).

There were only a few players from North Texas that should have been in the running for Gatorade POY. The one that was most deserving won!

Disagree with your first comment...both were in the running for Gatorade POY....one of them one, possibly more deserving but not IMO.

There were 3 players from NTX, out of 4, that were the finalists for the Texas Gatorade player of the year.

The girl at ESD was one of them.

tornado11 wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

tornado11 wrote:

Kick The Ball wrote: The HP girl is stronger, more skilled and unequaled in the air (heading).

There were only a few players from North Texas that should have been in the running for Gatorade POY. The one that was most deserving won!

Disagree with your first comment...both were in the running for Gatorade POY....one of them one, possibly more deserving but not IMO.

There were 3 players from NTX, out of 4, that were the finalists for the Texas Gatorade player of the year.

The girl at ESD was one of them.

Being great at ESD is really not that big of a deal. Being great against 5A or 4A is. There are plenty of other girls that would have put up better numbers against that weak of a schedule.

Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's worth noting that in the 16 years Texas has had a Gatorade POY, an SPC school (Greenhill) has as many winners (one) as any other 4A or 5A UIL school. There's only one school that has had more than one winner and that's Ursuline Academy with 3.

soccerbop wrote:Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's worth noting that in the 16 years Texas has had a Gatorade POY, an SPC school (Greenhill) has as many winners (one) as any other 4A or 5A UIL school. There's only one school that has had more than one winner and that's Ursuline Academy with 3.

Not worth noting at all. It is easy to put up big numbers playing poor teams. Those former Ursuline teams were all star teams. They should have had a player win every year.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

soccerbop wrote:Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's worth noting that in the 16 years Texas has had a Gatorade POY, an SPC school (Greenhill) has as many winners (one) as any other 4A or 5A UIL school. There's only one school that has had more than one winner and that's Ursuline Academy with 3.

Not worth noting at all. It is easy to put up big numbers playing poor teams. Those former Ursuline teams were all star teams. They should have had a player win every year.

Over the years Greenhill has beaten Ursuline several times. SPC top schools, ESD, Hockaday,Greenhill and FWCD are stronger than most TAPPS schools. As has been mentioned, ESD and Greenhill were a combined 7-0 against TAPPS schools this past season and Ursuline cancelled their game at ESD scheduled for Feb 11th the week before the game...? If Ursuline played in SPC there is NO WAY they would win the title EVERY year.

tornado11 wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

soccerbop wrote:Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's worth noting that in the 16 years Texas has had a Gatorade POY, an SPC school (Greenhill) has as many winners (one) as any other 4A or 5A UIL school. There's only one school that has had more than one winner and that's Ursuline Academy with 3.

Not worth noting at all. It is easy to put up big numbers playing poor teams. Those former Ursuline teams were all star teams. They should have had a player win every year.

Over the years Greenhill has beaten Ursuline several times. SPC top schools, ESD, Hockaday,Greenhill and FWCD are stronger than most TAPPS schools. As has been mentioned, ESD and Greenhill were a combined 7-0 against TAPPS schools this past season and Ursuline cancelled their game at ESD scheduled for Feb 11th the week before the game...? If Ursuline played in SPC there is NO WAY they would win the title EVERY year.

And if any of the schools mentioned above played 5A soccer, none of them, other than Ursuline, would ever compete. See Hockaday's results in NEPS.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

soccerbop wrote:Maybe yes, maybe no, but it's worth noting that in the 16 years Texas has had a Gatorade POY, an SPC school (Greenhill) has as many winners (one) as any other 4A or 5A UIL school. There's only one school that has had more than one winner and that's Ursuline Academy with 3.

Not worth noting at all. It is easy to put up big numbers playing poor teams. Those former Ursuline teams were all star teams. They should have had a player win every year.

So the POY selection process seems to work ok when the HP girl beats out the ESD girl but when we find out private school players (specifically Ursuline) do pretty well it's because they play weaker teams and have padded stats. Hmmm.

soccerbop wrote:

So the POY selection process seems to work ok when the HP girl beats out the ESD girl but when we find out private school players (specifically Ursuline) do pretty well it's because they play weaker teams and have padded stats. Hmmm.

Correct.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

soccerbop wrote:

So the POY selection process seems to work ok when the HP girl beats out the ESD girl but when we find out private school players (specifically Ursuline) do pretty well it's because they play weaker teams and have padded stats. Hmmm.

Correct.

Doesn't that mean private school players should win every year? Are there certain years where the selection panel regains their senses and realize how much Ursuline is taking advantage of a badly flawed process? I'm just trying to understand. I mean what have Jordan Walker, Alina Garciamendez and Jana Jeffrey really done since leaving Ursuline to validate their selection? Not much, right?

soccerbop wrote:
Doesn't that mean private school players should win every year? Are there certain years where the selection panel regains their senses and realize how much Ursuline is taking advantage of a badly flawed process? I'm just trying to understand. I mean what have Jordan Walker, Alina Garciamendez and Jana Jeffrey really done since leaving Ursuline to validate their selection? Not much, right?

Alina was a starter on Stanford for 4 years. Not too bad. The jury is still out on Jana, although I didn't think she deserved it last year. I have never heard of the other.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

soccerbop wrote:
Doesn't that mean private school players should win every year? Are there certain years where the selection panel regains their senses and realize how much Ursuline is taking advantage of a badly flawed process? I'm just trying to understand. I mean what have Jordan Walker, Alina Garciamendez and Jana Jeffrey really done since leaving Ursuline to validate their selection? Not much, right?

Alina was a starter on Stanford for 4 years. Not too bad. The jury is still out on Jana, although I didn't think she deserved it last year. I have never heard of the other.

Jordan Walker was a team captain for Anson Dorrance at NC. Won 3 national championships. I'm also guessing the jury (and impartial observers) would take a look at Jana's full ride to BC as well as minutes played/goals scored during her freshman season at a top program and return a favorable verdict.

Highland Park Tournament Schedule:

January 9th 2014:

Lake Travis vs Forney 2pm
Highland Park vs Cedar Park 4pm

January 10th

Lake Travis vs Cedar Park 10am
Forney vs ESD 12pm
Lake Travis vs Highland Park 2pm
ESD vs Cedar Park 4pm

January 11th

Highland Park vs ESD 10am
Forney vs Cedar Park 12pm
Lake Travis vs ESD 2pm
Highland Park vs Forney 4pm

all games at Highland Park's 'Highlander Stadium'