Week 4 Scores - 04 Girls - EAL, SDL, PTCL, DIAL - FINAL

go99 wrote:

wolf2.0 wrote:

lovesoccer wrote:

4DaLuvofTheGM wrote:FC Xtreme 04G Marin: 1
FC Dallas 04G Kim West: 1

Solar Chelsea Gold 04G Kovarik: 1
Solar 04G White Kennington: 1

FC Xtreme 04G Alvarez: 12
Solar Crusher 04G Black Stricker: 0

I think it's unsportsmanlike to run the score up like FC Xtreme did in this case. It happened before in other games but I think a good coach would see the lopsidedness in a game in the first 5 goals scored to know to change things up. Ex: have the players pass the ball a certain number of times before allowing to score. Or move players to positions they predominantly don't play to give them experience in a game setting. Just so not cool in my book to do that to a bunch of 7-8yr old little girls. I know technically we are not keeping score in most leagues but come on they know at this age if they won or lost and they do know how to count.

Having been in this situation more than a few times, I can tell you it's not that easy. At an age group where you have to call a girls name 2-3 times on a dead ball just to get them to sub off the field, it's not so simple to address them during the game to make them perform X number of passes before they shoot. In fact, even the better teams will rarely put together 5+ unbroken passes as on the short fields, it really is mostly a short-short-long combination to the forwards or defense to outside mid, exchange a few passes then shooting opportunity.

You cannot punish a team's development by making them try to play down to the opposition. There are things to learn by getting your butt whooped (been there plenty of times before also) and also in the whooping. If a teams ego (or rather parents, 99% of the time the kids lose count after 3 or 4 goals whether they are on the winning or losing, I've been winning 5+ and had kids on my team ask if we're winning!) cannot cope with losing by 5+ goals then they shouldn't enter academy soccer.

And again, by sticking defenders up front, you'll get an avalanche of goals. Those kids just want to score plain out and they'll do everything to knock 5 goals in within 10 minutes.

You should try coaching 7 and 8 year old girls and see how easy it is to stop them scoring without just wasting the whole point of turning up. If they wanted to play keep-away, they'd have saved the league fee and practiced it in training.

I actually like using the number of passes to keep the score down. If your team can't string more than 3 to 5 passes together against a weaker opponent then your team isn't very good they are just very athletic. We have had games where the girls had to pass 10 times to score. It helped when the coach actually counted out the numbers because the girls seem to forget anytime they see a scoring opportunity. While they don't score as fast, the downside is it seems to drive them to play even harder in pusuit of those 10 passes so they can then score. Long term the team being scored on has to move down in competition or raise it's level of play. The lopsided score is not good for either team.

bobmac15 wrote:

go99 wrote:

wolf2.0 wrote:

lovesoccer wrote:

4DaLuvofTheGM wrote:FC Xtreme 04G Marin: 1
FC Dallas 04G Kim West: 1

Solar Chelsea Gold 04G Kovarik: 1
Solar 04G White Kennington: 1

FC Xtreme 04G Alvarez: 12
Solar Crusher 04G Black Stricker: 0

I think it's unsportsmanlike to run the score up like FC Xtreme did in this case. It happened before in other games but I think a good coach would see the lopsidedness in a game in the first 5 goals scored to know to change things up. Ex: have the players pass the ball a certain number of times before allowing to score. Or move players to positions they predominantly don't play to give them experience in a game setting. Just so not cool in my book to do that to a bunch of 7-8yr old little girls. I know technically we are not keeping score in most leagues but come on they know at this age if they won or lost and they do know how to count.

Having been in this situation more than a few times, I can tell you it's not that easy. At an age group where you have to call a girls name 2-3 times on a dead ball just to get them to sub off the field, it's not so simple to address them during the game to make them perform X number of passes before they shoot. In fact, even the better teams will rarely put together 5+ unbroken passes as on the short fields, it really is mostly a short-short-long combination to the forwards or defense to outside mid, exchange a few passes then shooting opportunity.

You cannot punish a team's development by making them try to play down to the opposition. There are things to learn by getting your butt whooped (been there plenty of times before also) and also in the whooping. If a teams ego (or rather parents, 99% of the time the kids lose count after 3 or 4 goals whether they are on the winning or losing, I've been winning 5+ and had kids on my team ask if we're winning!) cannot cope with losing by 5+ goals then they shouldn't enter academy soccer.

And again, by sticking defenders up front, you'll get an avalanche of goals. Those kids just want to score plain out and they'll do everything to knock 5 goals in within 10 minutes.

You should try coaching 7 and 8 year old girls and see how easy it is to stop them scoring without just wasting the whole point of turning up. If they wanted to play keep-away, they'd have saved the league fee and practiced it in training.

I actually like using the number of passes to keep the score down. If your team can't string more than 3 to 5 passes together against a weaker opponent then your team isn't very good they are just very athletic. We have had games where the girls had to pass 10 times to score. It helped when the coach actually counted out the numbers because the girls seem to forget anytime they see a scoring opportunity. While they don't score as fast, the downside is it seems to drive them to play even harder in pusuit of those 10 passes so they can then score. Long term the team being scored on has to move down in competition or raise it's level of play. The lopsided score is not good for either team.

that's true. after all that is what we are trying to accomplish, but it's still a tricky age to see that team wide or league wide. my team (fever black) recently went up against dt deleon in a tournament. they were up 6-0 in 6 minutes. they did a nice job of moving the ball around in an effort to let up a bit. but they could only back off so much. game ended 12-0. although i didn't like it, i didn't feel dt deleon unsportsmanlike.

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:Updated Scores, still missing a few:

Master Bates wrote:Was told RASE score was 18-0 what a waste of time for all involved.

go99 wrote:

wolf2.0 wrote:

lovesoccer wrote:

4DaLuvofTheGM wrote:FC Xtreme 04G Marin: 1
FC Dallas 04G Kim West: 1

Solar Chelsea Gold 04G Kovarik: 1
Solar 04G White Kennington: 1

FC Xtreme 04G Alvarez: 12
Solar Crusher 04G Black Stricker: 0

I think it's unsportsmanlike to run the score up like FC Xtreme did in this case. It happened before in other games but I think a good coach would see the lopsidedness in a game in the first 5 goals scored to know to change things up. Ex: have the players pass the ball a certain number of times before allowing to score. Or move players to positions they predominantly don't play to give them experience in a game setting. Just so not cool in my book to do that to a bunch of 7-8yr old little girls. I know technically we are not keeping score in most leagues but come on they know at this age if they won or lost and they do know how to count.

Having been in this situation more than a few times, I can tell you it's not that easy. At an age group where you have to call a girls name 2-3 times on a dead ball just to get them to sub off the field, it's not so simple to address them during the game to make them perform X number of passes before they shoot. In fact, even the better teams will rarely put together 5+ unbroken passes as on the short fields, it really is mostly a short-short-long combination to the forwards or defense to outside mid, exchange a few passes then shooting opportunity.

You cannot punish a team's development by making them try to play down to the opposition. There are things to learn by getting your butt whooped (been there plenty of times before also) and also in the whooping. If a teams ego (or rather parents, 99% of the time the kids lose count after 3 or 4 goals whether they are on the winning or losing, I've been winning 5+ and had kids on my team ask if we're winning!) cannot cope with losing by 5+ goals then they shouldn't enter academy soccer.

And again, by sticking defenders up front, you'll get an avalanche of goals. Those kids just want to score plain out and they'll do everything to knock 5 goals in within 10 minutes.

You should try coaching 7 and 8 year old girls and see how easy it is to stop them scoring without just wasting the whole point of turning up. If they wanted to play keep-away, they'd have saved the league fee and practiced it in training.

I actually like using the number of passes to keep the score down. If your team can't string more than 3 to 5 passes together against a weaker opponent then your team isn't very good they are just very athletic. We have had games where the girls had to pass 10 times to score. It helped when the coach actually counted out the numbers because the girls seem to forget anytime they see a scoring opportunity. While they don't score as fast, the downside is it seems to drive them to play even harder in pusuit of those 10 passes so they can then score. Long term the team being scored on has to move down in competition or raise it's level of play. The lopsided score is not good for either team.

GrandTXSoccer wrote:Back in the day my daughter has been on both sides of the fence on a situation like this. There's really not much you can do but hope that the ref takes notice and calls the game a little shorter.

Moving defenders up doesn't help because like someone else said those kids are so amped to have a chance to score no amount of yelling from the coach is going to change much. Once our team was winning 11-0 at half time and the coach told the normal offensive starters not to score anymore and only let one certain girl score (the girl could barely walk and chew gum at the same time). Well that girl ended up scoring 4 goals in the second half and there was no way to stop it without adding more insult to injury. I think everyone knew what was going on when our two best players would have breakaways and then turn and pass the ball back out.

It does suck being on the other side of the coin because we've also lost games 10-0 before. All I could tell my daughter was USA Hockey once lost 10-3 to the Russians before coming back to beat them a few weeks later on their way to the Gold medal. They didn't give up and they put that loss behind them because at the end of the day that loss counts the same as if they would have lost 1-0. Then I took her out for ice cream and a movie and all was forgotten

Shelby427 wrote:

GrandTXSoccer wrote:Back in the day my daughter has been on both sides of the fence on a situation like this. There's really not much you can do but hope that the ref takes notice and calls the game a little shorter.

Moving defenders up doesn't help because like someone else said those kids are so amped to have a chance to score no amount of yelling from the coach is going to change much. Once our team was winning 11-0 at half time and the coach told the normal offensive starters not to score anymore and only let one certain girl score (the girl could barely walk and chew gum at the same time). Well that girl ended up scoring 4 goals in the second half and there was no way to stop it without adding more insult to injury. I think everyone knew what was going on when our two best players would have breakaways and then turn and pass the ball back out.

It does suck being on the other side of the coin because we've also lost games 10-0 before. All I could tell my daughter was USA Hockey once lost 10-3 to the Russians before coming back to beat them a few weeks later on their way to the Gold medal. They didn't give up and they put that loss behind them because at the end of the day that loss counts the same as if they would have lost 1-0. Then I took her out for ice cream and a movie and all was forgotten

Oh I would add one more thing. The parents can help a bit by not cheering as if they just won the world cup every goal after a 10 point spread.

wolf2.0 wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

GrandTXSoccer wrote:Back in the day my daughter has been on both sides of the fence on a situation like this. There's really not much you can do but hope that the ref takes notice and calls the game a little shorter.

Moving defenders up doesn't help because like someone else said those kids are so amped to have a chance to score no amount of yelling from the coach is going to change much. Once our team was winning 11-0 at half time and the coach told the normal offensive starters not to score anymore and only let one certain girl score (the girl could barely walk and chew gum at the same time). Well that girl ended up scoring 4 goals in the second half and there was no way to stop it without adding more insult to injury. I think everyone knew what was going on when our two best players would have breakaways and then turn and pass the ball back out.

It does suck being on the other side of the coin because we've also lost games 10-0 before. All I could tell my daughter was USA Hockey once lost 10-3 to the Russians before coming back to beat them a few weeks later on their way to the Gold medal. They didn't give up and they put that loss behind them because at the end of the day that loss counts the same as if they would have lost 1-0. Then I took her out for ice cream and a movie and all was forgotten

Oh I would add one more thing. The parents can help a bit by not cheering as if they just won the world cup every goal after a 10 point spread.

Ha ha! Agreed on that one

Shelby427 wrote:
Soooo many critics on here but what's new?

On blowouts, most top teams are already passing 3-5 times easily before shooting. The problem with trying to pass too much is that this can also look insulting to a team when the game degenerates into obvious keep away with no attempt to score. I have seen this and it looks worse than running up the score.

The best thing that can be done is to move forwards to defense and vise versa replacing the goalie with someone with no experience while playing non-starters more than usual.

The problem with scheduling is this:

There have been MANY new 04 teams added to the mix this season with little track record. Also, many 04 teams have moved leagues this season. There has been no solid ranking system for the 04s thus seeding goes by in large part the opinions of all coaches involved. This is obviously not a perfect system.

The only real solution is for teams to start gravitating to leagues they feel fit their skill level however, with so many new leagues and changes in leagues, there is not enough stability to make such judgments at this time.

As far as EAL goes, the top 5 will be very competitive with each other while the bottom 4 will not. The bottom 4 will however compete nice with each other.