Correct call...or not?

During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.

Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Shouldn't be a corner kick. I believe it should be an indirect free kick in the box...not necessarily a penalty kick. If the goalie stopped the ball near the line there is a certain distance the HR should place the ball for the indirect kick. Not positive though.

Indirect free kick pulled out to the nearest point of the penalty box (6 yard box)

Indirect free kick, ball placed on 6yd line nearest to where the Keeper handled the ball. The indirect free is specified in Law 12, the ball placement is specified in Law 13. I think your ref used Law 18, which is, make something up. There is no Law 18.

outonthelimb wrote:During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.
Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Since the CR gave a corner kick they assumed the ball had crossed the goal line. Therefore, it should be a GOAL and restart is Kick-off. I would guess that if they felt it was handling they would have given a PK or the correct call would be Indirect free kick. Since neither were given they had to have said the ball crossed the line and call the restart incorrect.

The only time you would award a corner kick is if there is a own-goal from a direct kick or throw-in from outside the penality box.

Its Me wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.
Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Since the CR gave a corner kick they assumed the ball had crossed the goal line. Therefore, it should be a goal and restart is Kick-off.

The only time you would award a corner kick is if there is a own-goal from a direct kick or throw-in from outside the penality box.

How do you have a throw in from inside of the penalty? Are you watching NBA?

Gumby wrote:Indirect free kick, ball placed on 6yd line nearest to where the Keeper handled the ball. The indirect free is specified in Law 12, the ball placement is specified in Law 13. I think your ref used Law 18, which is, make something up. There is no Law 18.

Interesting...that brings up another question. If it should have been an indirect free kick within 6yd of the goal line then how would the HR handle the kick taker requesting for 10yds in such a situation?

driftingwolf wrote:

Its Me wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.
Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Since the CR gave a corner kick they assumed the ball had crossed the goal line. Therefore, it should be a goal and restart is Kick-off.

The only time you would award a corner kick is if there is a own-goal from a direct kick or throw-in from outside the penality box.

How do you have a throw in from inside of the penalty? Are you watching NBA?

Good one Direct kick from outside the penality or throw-in!

driftingwolf wrote:

Its Me wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.
Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Since the CR gave a corner kick they assumed the ball had crossed the goal line. Therefore, it should be a goal and restart is Kick-off.

The only time you would award a corner kick is if there is a own-goal from a direct kick or throw-in from outside the penality box.

How do you have a throw in from inside of the penalty? Are you watching NBA?

Normal everyday LH sideline throw in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=EKnwKn3aA1o

Its Me wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.
Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Since the CR gave a corner kick they assumed the ball had crossed the goal line. Therefore, it should be a GOAL and restart is Kick-off. I would guess that if they felt it was handling they would have given a PK or the correct call would be Indirect free kick. Since neither were given they had to have said the ball crossed the line and call the restart incorrect.

The only time you would award a corner kick is if there is a own-goal from a direct kick or throw-in from outside the penality box.

. I'm positive that no goal was granted.

outonthelimb wrote:

Its Me wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.
Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Since the CR gave a corner kick they assumed the ball had crossed the goal line. Therefore, it should be a GOAL and restart is Kick-off. I would guess that if they felt it was handling they would have given a PK or the correct call would be Indirect free kick. Since neither were given they had to have said the ball crossed the line and call the restart incorrect.

The only time you would award a corner kick is if there is a own-goal from a direct kick or throw-in from outside the penality box.

. I'm positive that no goal was granted.

We all love a video clip - did anyone video the game and catch this on tape?

outonthelimb wrote:During the course of play a defender who is not under duress intentionally passes the ball back to her keeper who is standing in the goal box. The pass is an errant pass and sails on a path that will certainly end in an own goal if the keeper does not redirect it. Thus the keeper's only recourse is to leap in the air and catch the ball above her head just before the ball crosses the goal line.

The HR and AR hesitate for a few seconds and look at each other as the keeper gets ready to punt the ball. The HR then stops play to award the attacking team a corner kick.

Was awarding a corner kick the correct call in this instance or should the keeper's intentional "handling" of an intentional pass back have resulted in a free kick (which since it occurred in the penalty area would be a penalty kick)?

I have no complaints as my DD's '00 team was the beneficiary in this case and neither the opposing parents nor coach went ballistic as a result of the call. The corner kick sailed harmlessly out of bounds in the end.

Concur with "my2cents" and "Gumby":

The Law is clear: “An indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team if a goalkeeper, inside his own penalty area, . . . touches the ball with his hands after it has been deliberately kicked to him by a teammate.”

outonthelimb wrote:

Gumby wrote:Indirect free kick, ball placed on 6yd line nearest to where the Keeper handled the ball. The indirect free is specified in Law 12, the ball placement is specified in Law 13. I think your ref used Law 18, which is, make something up. There is no Law 18.

. Intersting...that brings up another question. If it should have been an indirect free kick within 6yd of the goal line then how would the HR handle the kick taker requesting for 10yds in such a situation?

closest the defense can be is the goal line. cannot move forward until the ball is played at least 1 revolution. contrary to popular belief, the ball must moveon an indirect free kick, not just be "touched".

twotone wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:

Gumby wrote:Indirect free kick, ball placed on 6yd line nearest to where the Keeper handled the ball. The indirect free is specified in Law 12, the ball placement is specified in Law 13. I think your ref used Law 18, which is, make something up. There is no Law 18.

. Intersting...that brings up another question. If it should have been an indirect free kick within 6yd of the goal line then how would the HR handle the kick taker requesting for 10yds in such a situation?

closest the defense can be is the goal line. cannot move forward until the ball is played at least 1 revolution. contrary to popular belief, the ball must moveon an indirect free kick, not just be "touched".

I can see the DDs now all asking to be removed from the game while coach is yelling at them to build a wall on the goal line to block the indirect free kick that will be taken from 6 yds away. There are a couple of girls on the opposing team with cannons for legs that would likely have taken great pleasure in drilling one of our girls with a direct hit from 6 yds away.

Please tell me the LOTG wouldn't put the kids in harms way like this!!

outonthelimb wrote:

Gumby wrote:Indirect free kick, ball placed on 6yd line nearest to where the Keeper handled the ball. The indirect free is specified in Law 12, the ball placement is specified in Law 13. I think your ref used Law 18, which is, make something up. There is no Law 18.

Interesting...that brings up another question. If it should have been an indirect free kick within 6yd of the goal line then how would the HR handle the kick taker requesting for 10yds in such a situation?

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All opponents must must at least 10 yards from the ball until it is played, unless they are on the goal line between the goal posts. Again specified in Law 13.

An offensive team can't have an indirect kick restarted inside the penalty box. If an indirect kick gets awarded to the offensive team inside the goal box (for something like illegal handling by the goalkeeper on a pass back) the play should be stopped by the referee. The referee should then take the ball from the spot of the foul and move it perpendicular from the spot of the foul to the outside top edge of the box.

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That referee got the restart incorrect. A corner kick shouldn't have been awarded. It should have been an indirect free kick because it was a "technical" foul in the box.

Understand that awarding and restarting an indirect kick that was given inside the goal box is a rule that a lot of inexperienced referees forget. (Ironically though, it's a real point of emphasis in referee certification classes.)

bigtex75081 wrote:An offensive team can't have an indirect kick restarted inside the penalty box. If an indirect kick gets awarded to the offensive team inside the goal box (for something like illegal handling by the goalkeeper on a pass back) the play should be stopped by the referee. The referee should then take the ball from the spot of the foul and move it perpendicular from the spot of the foul to the outside top edge of the box.

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That referee got the restart incorrect. A corner kick shouldn't have been awarded. It should have been an indirect free kick because it was a "technical" foul in the box.

Understand that awarding and restarting an indirect kick that was given inside the goal box is a rule that a lot of inexperienced referees forget. (Ironically though, it's a real point of emphasis in referee certification classes.)

what do you mean???? of course an offensive team can have an indirect kick restart inside the penalty area. if there is a dangerous play infraction (high kick, ex) or a GK re-possession in the top corner of the penalty area then the restart would be an indirect kick for the attacking team at the spot of the infraction (inside the penalty area).

if there is a dangerous play or GK re-possession in the goal area (which is inside the penalty area), then the restart is an indirect free kick at the nearest perpendicular intersection with the goal area line. that can be at the top or on the side of the goal area.

the referee punked out on the restart. he should've awarded an indirect free kick inside the 6 but decided against it and awarded a corner kick. that is a failure of the referee to do his job.

outonthelimb wrote:

twotone wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:

Gumby wrote:Indirect free kick, ball placed on 6yd line nearest to where the Keeper handled the ball. The indirect free is specified in Law 12, the ball placement is specified in Law 13. I think your ref used Law 18, which is, make something up. There is no Law 18.

. Intersting...that brings up another question. If it should have been an indirect free kick within 6yd of the goal line then how would the HR handle the kick taker requesting for 10yds in such a situation?

closest the defense can be is the goal line. cannot move forward until the ball is played at least 1 revolution. contrary to popular belief, the ball must moveon an indirect free kick, not just be "touched".

I can see the DDs now all asking to be removed from the game while coach is yelling at them to build a wall on the goal line to block the indirect free kick that will be taken from 6 yds away. There are a couple of girls on the opposing team with cannons for legs that would likely have taken great pleasure in drilling one of our girls with a direct hit from 6 yds away.

Please tell me the LOTG wouldn't put the kids in harms way like this!!

yeah....so the LOTG aren't really written for 11 year old girls soccer. they're just written for soccer. not much you can do about that.

the good thing is that most teams don't realize that ANYONE can make the 2nd touch on an ifk before a goal can be scored. they usually pass it backwards and the defenders on the line run forward and block the shot from a closer distance, making it less dangerous. i shake my head every time i see it done.

the smartest play is to shoot the ball the first time right at the stationary wall and hope it deflects off a defender into the goal. but noone ever tries it.

twotone wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:

twotone wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:

Gumby wrote:Indirect free kick, ball placed on 6yd line nearest to where the Keeper handled the ball. The indirect free is specified in Law 12, the ball placement is specified in Law 13. I think your ref used Law 18, which is, make something up. There is no Law 18.

. Intersting...that brings up another question. If it should have been an indirect free kick within 6yd of the goal line then how would the HR handle the kick taker requesting for 10yds in such a situation?

closest the defense can be is the goal line. cannot move forward until the ball is played at least 1 revolution. contrary to popular belief, the ball must moveon an indirect free kick, not just be "touched".

I can see the DDs now all asking to be removed from the game while coach is yelling at them to build a wall on the goal line to block the indirect free kick that will be taken from 6 yds away. There are a couple of girls on the opposing team with cannons for legs that would likely have taken great pleasure in drilling one of our girls with a direct hit from 6 yds away.

Please tell me the LOTG wouldn't put the kids in harms way like this!!

yeah....so the LOTG aren't really written for 11 year old girls soccer. they're just written for soccer. not much you can do about that.

Actually, there is one. Since it is an indirect, the defense should run to the ball as quick as they can after the restart in hope to block the ball with their lower legs, which wouldn't hurt as much.

For the direct kick, if the coach feels the girls are not ready, just not instruct them to form a wall.

bigtex75081 wrote:An offensive team can't have an indirect kick restarted inside the penalty box. If an indirect kick gets awarded to the offensive team inside the goal box (for something like illegal handling by the goalkeeper on a pass back) the play should be stopped by the referee. The referee should then take the ball from the spot of the foul and move it perpendicular from the spot of the foul to the outside top edge of the box.

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That referee got the restart incorrect. A corner kick shouldn't have been awarded. It should have been an indirect free kick because it was a "technical" foul in the box.

Understand that awarding and restarting an indirect kick that was given inside the goal box is a rule that a lot of inexperienced referees forget. (Ironically though, it's a real point of emphasis in referee certification classes.)

Thanks that is pretty clear. In this case the handling occurred within the goal pipes and on the goal line. Would the restart/indirect free kick be taken from the goal line but outside the penalty area?

outonthelimb wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:An offensive team can't have an indirect kick restarted inside the penalty box. If an indirect kick gets awarded to the offensive team inside the goal box (for something like illegal handling by the goalkeeper on a pass back) the play should be stopped by the referee. The referee should then take the ball from the spot of the foul and move it perpendicular from the spot of the foul to the outside top edge of the box.

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(Sorry about the graphics... the editor is making this really tough.)

That referee got the restart incorrect. A corner kick shouldn't have been awarded. It should have been an indirect free kick because it was a "technical" foul in the box.

Understand that awarding and restarting an indirect kick that was given inside the goal box is a rule that a lot of inexperienced referees forget. (Ironically though, it's a real point of emphasis in referee certification classes.)

Thanks that is pretty clear. In this case the handling occurred within the goal pipes and on the goal line. Would the restart/indirect free kick be taken from the goal line but outside the penalty area?

It would be on the line separating the goal area (goal area line) from the penalty area directly out from the spot of the foul.

See the field layout diagram in the LOTG Law 1(p 12.), and directions for placement of free kicks in Law 13 (p. 43)

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf

JeffM wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:An offensive team can't have an indirect kick restarted inside the penalty box. If an indirect kick gets awarded to the offensive team inside the goal box (for something like illegal handling by the goalkeeper on a pass back) the play should be stopped by the referee. The referee should then take the ball from the spot of the foul and move it perpendicular from the spot of the foul to the outside top edge of the box.

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(Sorry about the graphics... the editor is making this really tough.)

That referee got the restart incorrect. A corner kick shouldn't have been awarded. It should have been an indirect free kick because it was a "technical" foul in the box.

Understand that awarding and restarting an indirect kick that was given inside the goal box is a rule that a lot of inexperienced referees forget. (Ironically though, it's a real point of emphasis in referee certification classes.)

Thanks that is pretty clear. In this case the handling occurred within the goal pipes and on the goal line. Would the restart/indirect free kick be taken from the goal line but outside the penalty area?

It would be on the line separating the goal area (goal area line) from the penalty area directly out from the spot of the foul.

See the field layout diagram in the LOTG Law 1(p 12.), and directions for placement of free kicks in Law 13 (p. 43)

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/generic/81/42/36/lawsofthegame_2012_e.pdf

A copy/paste from the document JeffM just posted, "an indirect free kick awarded inside the goal area must be taken on the goal line area parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the infringement occured."

So from between the pipes...

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So if the goalie stopped the ball 1" from entering the goal after a pass back from her own teammate, the indirect free kick would be awarded but the ball would be moved to just outside the 18. An indirect free kick would NOT be placed at the spot of the foul just 1" from entering the goal.

bigtex75081 wrote:A copy/paste from the document JeffM just posted, "an indirect free kick awarded inside the goal area must be taken on the goal line area parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the infringement occured."

So from between the pipes...

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So if the goalie stopped the ball 1" from entering the goal after a pass back from her own teammate, the indirect free kick would be awarded but the ball would be moved to just outside the 18 6 (it's the goal area box - not penalty area box). An indirect free kick would NOT be placed at the spot of the foul just 1" from entering the goal.

Minor, but significant correction.

3-4-3 wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:A copy/paste from the document JeffM just posted, "an indirect free kick awarded inside the goal area must be taken on the goal line area parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the infringement occured."

So from between the pipes...

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So if the goalie stopped the ball 1" from entering the goal after a pass back from her own teammate, the indirect free kick would be awarded but the ball would be moved to just outside the 18 6 (it's the goal area box - not penalty area box). An indirect free kick would NOT be placed at the spot of the foul just 1" from entering the goal.

Minor, but significant correction.

Thank you. I started to confuse myself during this string.

what....a parent confused about the rules and procedures for restarts? Noooooooooooo, who would've ever thought???

(you can easily substitute "referee" or "coach" in there for parent and get the same result)